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[Seboist]

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

A lot of these ITers have proven time and time again that they're simply not mentally all there. I've seen them trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "grasping" scene and weapon bobbing after Shepard being hit by Harbinger(in a game full of atrocious animation lol).

I'm sorry, but people trying to find deep meaning in the face of Plan 9 from Outer Space level writing are quite simply deluded fanboy morons and should be treated as such.

Modifié par Seboist, 16 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[UrgentArchengel]

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

I may disagree with you on IT to a degree, but you are 110% correct.  This board has a serious problem.  They need some serious anger management, and a lesson is attitude adjustment.  A lot of sociopaths here.

[wsandista]

Daryslash wrote...

This one think your opinion is as good as a big pile of crap if you don't show any argument to support it.

Good luck getting him to provide any evidence.

Soon this thread will devolve into ponies, spiderman, and accusations of bestiality. As it should.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

@Cat, I find it hard to take you seriously, especially when in response to me, you can bring up intelligent debate, but then to other people you claim that I am being disingenuous.

That's because it was a disingenuous comparison. The theory of evolution cannot in anyway be compared to the Indoctrination delusion because one is based on observable fact and the other is a joke.

And I brought up why IT is based upon an observable phenomenom that exists within ME lore, and you ignored it.

But, I guess since you are talking about delusion and disingenuity, it must take one to know one.

If you think that  speculation can in any way be compared to a scientific theory, then you should go take some basic science classes.

The IT attempts to explain Shepard's indoctrination, which is not a verifiable fact, not the existence of Indoctrination in the Mass Effect universe, which is a verifiable fact.

The theory of evolution explains the observable fact that life changes over time.

[Seboist]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

OchreJelly wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 

Simple explanation:  Lots of MULTIPLAYER DLC, hurrah!

This.

When EC arrives I will enjoy the multiplayer and the final demise of the IT.

Yet, somehow I suspect that that demonic denial of reality will live on.

Oh, but the IT will live on because they are not explaing the ending.

"As mentioned, we are not explaining the ending - but you should have questions answered in EC"  - Michael Gamble
https://twitter.com/...790527347896321

Even if the IT was flat out denied by BW these fanatics will continue to persist with their deluded theory because hey, a game with an ill-concieved  plot to begin can't possibly end bad can it?

It would be similar to how some "Taxi Driver" fans continue to claim the end sequence was a dream in spite of Scorsese flat out saying it wasn't and in the face of evidence in-film evidence. Now in their defence, their belief isn't driven by fanboy delusion to deny hack writing.

And in case anyone's wondering, no I don't think these pathetic pulp schlock series is on the level of Taxi Driver(it's on the level of Plan 9 from Outer Space though).

Modifié par Seboist, 16 juin 2012 - 03:58 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Seboist wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

A lot of these ITers have proven time and time again that they're simply not mentally all there. I've seen them trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "grasping" scene and weapon bobbing after Shepard being hit by Harbinger(in a game full of atrocious animation lol).

I'm sorry, but people trying to find deep meaning in the face of Plan 9 from Outer Space level writing are quite simply deluded fanboy morons and should be treated as such.

They will tell you that the gun Shepard uses is proof of Indoctrination. Or the fact that Shepard is wearing different armor in the breath scene is proof of indoctrination.

[wsandista]

Seboist wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

A lot of these ITers have proven time and time again that they're simply not mentally all there. I've seen them trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "grasping" scene and weapon bobbing after Shepard being hit by Harbinger(in a game full of atrocious animation lol).

I'm sorry, but people trying to find deep meaning in the face of Plan 9 from Outer Space level writing are quite simply deluded fanboy morons and should be treated as such.

The problem is getting cameltrollitis to back up any claim he makes. He simply doesn't do that.

[HellishFiend]

Seboist wrote...
MY ATTACKS WILL TEAR YOU APART

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

@Cat, I find it hard to take you seriously, especially when in response to me, you can bring up intelligent debate, but then to other people you claim that I am being disingenuous.

That's because it was a disingenuous comparison. The theory of evolution cannot in anyway be compared to the Indoctrination delusion because one is based on observable fact and the other is a joke.

And I brought up why IT is based upon an observable phenomenom that exists within ME lore, and you ignored it.

But, I guess since you are talking about delusion and disingenuity, it must take one to know one.

If you think that  speculation can in any way be compared to a scientific theory, then you should go take some basic science classes.

The IT attempts to explain Shepard's indoctrination, which is not a verifiable fact, not the existence of Indoctrination in the Mass Effect universe, which is a verifiable fact.

The theory of evolution explains the observable fact that life changes over time.

Why is the IT false? If it is false then prove it false.

[alec1898]

wsandista wrote...

Seboist wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

A lot of these ITers have proven time and time again that they're simply not mentally all there. I've seen them trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "grasping" scene and weapon bobbing after Shepard being hit by Harbinger(in a game full of atrocious animation lol).

I'm sorry, but people trying to find deep meaning in the face of Plan 9 from Outer Space level writing are quite simply deluded fanboy morons and should be treated as such.

The problem is getting cameltrollitis to back up any claim he makes. He simply doesn't do that.

As much as I wanted to leave, I have to add that he is backing up the "not a theory" claim he made earlier.

Screw it. I'll stick around. Too much fun.

[Catamantaloedis]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

@Cat, I find it hard to take you seriously, especially when in response to me, you can bring up intelligent debate, but then to other people you claim that I am being disingenuous.

That's because it was a disingenuous comparison. The theory of evolution cannot in anyway be compared to the Indoctrination delusion because one is based on observable fact and the other is a joke.

And I brought up why IT is based upon an observable phenomenom that exists within ME lore, and you ignored it.

But, I guess since you are talking about delusion and disingenuity, it must take one to know one.

If you think that  speculation can in any way be compared to a scientific theory, then you should go take some basic science classes.

The IT attempts to explain Shepard's indoctrination, which is not a verifiable fact, not the existence of Indoctrination in the Mass Effect universe, which is a verifiable fact.

The theory of evolution explains the observable fact that life changes over time.

Why is the IT false? If it is false then prove it false.

There is no evidence for it. Until anyone provides some, then it will be regarded as false.

[KevShep]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

They will tell you that the gun Shepard uses is proof of Indoctrination. Or the fact that Shepard is wearing different armor in the breath scene is proof of indoctrination.

You clearly dont know the evidence of IT if thats the kind of proof that you think we are looking at.

[Catamantaloedis]

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

They will tell you that the gun Shepard uses is proof of Indoctrination. Or the fact that Shepard is wearing different armor in the breath scene is proof of indoctrination.

You clearly dont know the evidence of IT if thats the kind of proof that you think we are looking at.

I read all of this so called "evidence". I'm simply pointing out some of the most ridiculous ones presented by your compatriots. 

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 16 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[Seboist]

One piece of "evidence" I've seen by the ITers is that Shepard doesn't question the Catalyst, nor is there much player input against him...... were these people on some cocaine binge and overlooked all the other examples of auto-dialogue in this game?

There isn't a microscope powerful enough to view the straws they grasp.

[BatmanTurian]

if the only argument against IT is going to be ad hominem rhetoric in this thread, then all it is is a rant and not a rational debate. These guys are just trolls. stop feeding them. Their only goal is to argue incoherently.

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...



There is no evidence for it. Until anyone provides some, then it will be regarded as false.

Until any evidence to the contrary is provided, then their beilef in IT is valid.

Why is IT false?

If there is evidence against it, then you should have no trouble answering the question.

[alec1898]

BatmanTurian wrote...

if the only argument against IT is going to be ad hominem rhetoric in this thread, then all it is is a rant and not a rational debate. These guys are just trolls. stop feeding them. Their only goal is to argue incoherently.

I'm not a troll, I swear. I don't agree with Cat on most other threads, and you can go back and look if you don't believe me.

[UrgentArchengel]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

They will tell you that the gun Shepard uses is proof of Indoctrination. Or the fact that Shepard is wearing different armor in the breath scene is proof of indoctrination.

You clearly dont know the evidence of IT if thats the kind of proof that you think we are looking at.

I read all of this so called "evidence". I'm simply pointing out some of the most ridiculous ones presented by your compatriots. 

So The Catalyst goes corporeal, and gain the correct colors of that kid from the beginning when being hit by the blast wave during control, while your gun changes for no apperantly reason in destroy when the explosion first hits you is for no reason other then it's a technical hiccup?  Explain please.

[Catamantaloedis]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...



There is no evidence for it. Until anyone provides some, then it will be regarded as false.

Until any evidence to the contrary is provided, then their beilef in IT is valid.

Why is IT false?

If there is evidence against it, then you should have no trouble answering the question.

That's the most ridiculous thing you've said all night. 

[KevShep]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

They will tell you that the gun Shepard uses is proof of Indoctrination. Or the fact that Shepard is wearing different armor in the breath scene is proof of indoctrination.

You clearly dont know the evidence of IT if thats the kind of proof that you think we are looking at.

I read all of this so called "evidence". I'm simply pointing out some of the most ridiculous ones presented by your compatriots. 

This so called evidence has wight. Remember that they wanted speculations...that means that there is something hidden or unclear about the ending other wise there is no reason for speculations. The only specilation that holds any truth is IT, because the "Its bad writing speculation" is just stupid.  In a span of 10 minutes of so called "bad writing" just happends to start in a dream like wake up scene with shepard. 

[Sisterofshane]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you think that  speculation can in any way be compared to a scientific theory, then you should go take some basic science classes.

The IT attempts to explain Shepard's indoctrination, which is not a verifiable fact, not the existence of Indoctrination in the Mass Effect universe, which is a verifiable fact.

The theory of evolution explains the observable fact that life changes over time.

A scientific theory in a science fiction setting.

The rest of your argument is semantically flawed.  The IT attempts to explains the ending of the game as indoctrination, which we know within the game exists.  We observe the ending, and can apply both literal and metaphorical interpretations to it.

IT attempts to explain what happened in a highly surreal and ambiguous ending.  It is not the only way it can be explained.  Nothing has yet been confirmed nor denied. 

[wsandista]

alec1898 wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Seboist wrote...

julio77777 wrote...

@OP

While I agree that most people saying they are firm believers of IT are most likely grasping at straws, I think this is not a reason to insult them by calling them stupid, weak minded or such.

If you cannot present an argument without insulting people, I'd say you should refrain from posting altogether. By doing so you lost credibility from the very start.

And EC will disprove IT very soon now, what is the point of making a topic about this knowing it will incite a flame war ?

This board has a serious problem...

A lot of these ITers have proven time and time again that they're simply not mentally all there. I've seen them trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "grasping" scene and weapon bobbing after Shepard being hit by Harbinger(in a game full of atrocious animation lol).

I'm sorry, but people trying to find deep meaning in the face of Plan 9 from Outer Space level writing are quite simply deluded fanboy morons and should be treated as such.

The problem is getting cameltrollitis to back up any claim he makes. He simply doesn't do that.

As much as I wanted to leave, I have to add that he is backing up the "not a theory" claim he made earlier.

Screw it. I'll stick around. Too much fun.

No he simply picked one definition for theory, then declared the common definition for theory as false.

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

covertdrizzt wrote...


the·o·ry
[ th əree ]

• rules and techniques: the body of rules, ideas, principles, and techniques that applies to a subject, especially when seen as distinct from actual practice
• speculation: abstract thought or contemplation
• idea formed by speculation: an idea of or belief about something arrived at through speculation or conjecture
  It is a Theory.

 Sisterofshane suggested that I must not believe in evolution because it is a theory and I don't believe in the IT. This is completely disingenuous because the IT does not fit the scientific definition of a theory. So no, it is not a theory in the same way that evolution is a theory and the comparison is laughable.

But IT fits a definition of a theory. Therefore it can legitimately be called a theory.

Okay, sure you can. If you want to use the popular definition of theory which means speculation or guess. Then all the power to you. I prefer to call it the Indoctrination Delusion. But the Indoctination Guess works just as well.

[BatmanTurian]

alec1898 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

if the only argument against IT is going to be ad hominem rhetoric in this thread, then all it is is a rant and not a rational debate. These guys are just trolls. stop feeding them. Their only goal is to argue incoherently.

I'm not a troll, I swear. I don't agree with Cat on most other threads, and you can go back and look if you don't believe me.

I honestly wasn't talking about you, but thanks for clearing that up anyway.

[Facemelter91]

Cata and Seboist: "How dare you like in something that I don't like, absolute heresy I say! You should all be ashamed of yourselves and are stupid for not thinking the way I think". Please, keep calling people stupid and delusional, it only further proves how insecure you are.

Modifié par Facemelter91, 16 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

If you think that  speculation can in any way be compared to a scientific theory, then you should go take some basic science classes.

The IT attempts to explain Shepard's indoctrination, which is not a verifiable fact, not the existence of Indoctrination in the Mass Effect universe, which is a verifiable fact.

The theory of evolution explains the observable fact that life changes over time.

A scientific theory in a science fiction setting.

The rest of your argument is semantically flawed.  The IT attempts to explains the ending of the game as indoctrination, which we know within the game exists.  We observe the ending, and can apply both literal and metaphorical interpretations to it.

IT attempts to explain what happened in a highly surreal and ambiguous ending.  It is not the only way it can be explained.  Nothing has yet been confirmed nor denied. 

You are trying to save face after a terrible comparison of a real life scientific theory to an interpretation of a video game ending which no one, even its adherents, would say is a completely verifiable fact.

Just stop before you embarass yourself further. The IT can not, nor ever will, be able to be compared to a scientific theory.