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[Memnon]

Seival wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...


The Indoctrination Theory is a weak minded delusion.

Exactly.

Aren't you the person who started the "Normandy crash scene makes sense" thread?

[OrginaVendor]

IT is not the proposed new ending, anyway. It's just a transition out of the current ending into an unknown imaginary new ending which is hopefully filled with bioware magic and are influenced by our choices. And don't be too harsh on turianfrigate, lol, think he's responding to ppl like our trolling OP

[Tealjaker94]

Stornskar wrote...

Seival wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...


The Indoctrination Theory is a weak minded delusion.

Exactly.

Aren't you the person who started the "Normandy crash scene makes sense" thread?

This is the only time I've ever known Seival to be right. It's the exception that proves the rule.

[OrginaVendor]

Lol, hiding behind single statement baseless smartass comments again

[dreman9999]

estebanus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

NoSpin wrote...

It was part of the plan. Whether it was completely removed or not, indoctrination is hinted at (WHY even include the inky shadows line by the Rachni Queen? Oh, because of the inky shadows in Sheps DREAMS).

Are you saying they were planning IT back in ME1?

What type of question is this? That's when Indoctrination came in the story. Ofcourse they did. It's called foreshadowing.

No it wasn't.

Indoctrination was described back then, it wasn't foreshadowed. There's a difference.

The very fact that you had to face it to take down the reapers makes it foreshadowed. Added, the fact harbinger hunt Shepard down in ME2 and stats many times he want to control him...
Then this...
 

How is this not foreshadowing?

[OrginaVendor]

Seboist wrote...

How is IT better? Nothing is resolved and that "false" end sequence was just a waste of time. Not to mention to provides even LESS choice which is a major gripe against the endings in the first place. We essentially go from "we fight or we die" to "we fight AND we die" with IT.

I'm sorry but "bad writing" and "wiping the slate clean for future installments" are the clear logical explanations.

I think you need to read up a bit more on IT and it's purposes, lol. It won't change your gut opinion(never seen anyone concede a forum argument before) but it'll probably get you past that primitive viewpoint(march 2012)

Modifié par OrginaVendor, 16 juin 2012 - 01:56 .

[Tealjaker94]

OrginaVendor wrote...

Lol, hiding behind single statement baseless smartass comments again

Is this directed at my comment about Seival? Because I was making fun of Seival more than anything.

[dreman9999]

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

[OrginaVendor]

Was along fun of the direction this thread is going. Much more constructive and logical arguments have already being put forth and we noobs are *still holding on to our opinions *like *it's religion

(*- edited with phone)

Modifié par OrginaVendor, 16 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

Is there a proof ME3 is real?

Is there a proof ME2 is real?

Is there a proof ME1 is real?


Is there a proof life is real?


Besides, of course it's not real. It's a game.

[Stegoceras]

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

As oppossed to what exactly?......Speculation is all everyone has, if this wasn't so the ending would have been clear.

[Tealjaker94]

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

 
There's no proof anything is real. The entire series could be a hallucination brought on by the beacon on Eden Prime. However it's stupid to question the reality of every single thing. Thus the burden of proof is on you. Just like a defense attorney doesn't  have to prove his client's innocence, we don't need to prove the ending's reality. Until I'm shown direct evidence that IT is true I will not be convinced.

[OrginaVendor]

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

So is your "proof" that the ending isn't real, lol, to think anti-IT. But that's primitive. I think the still contentious argument  now is that IT is not a good idea(which is stupid, really) and that it's probably never going To happen. I get that

[Samtheman63]

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

[Ageless Face]

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Shepard can also shoot TIM. Why doesn't Shepard bleed from the place s/he shot TIM?

Why doesn't Shepard die when Anderson die?

Why doesn't Shepard die when Anderson gets shot in the head?

Didn't you notice Shepard been holding her/his side even before?

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

Is there a proof ME3 is real?

Is there a proof ME2 is real?

Is there a proof ME1 is real?


Is there a proof life is real?


Besides, of course it's not real. It's a game.

1.ME:hOMEWORLDS.
2. ME:retribution
3.ME:Acension
The ME series has more the one perspective for it's story.

[Tealjaker94]

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

[dreman9999]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So anyone pointed out there is no proof the ending is real?

 
There's no proof anything is real. The entire series could be a hallucination brought on by the beacon on Eden Prime. However it's stupid to question the reality of every single thing. Thus the burden of proof is on you. Just like a defense attorney doesn't  have to prove his client's innocence, we don't need to prove the ending's reality. Until I'm shown direct evidence that IT is true I will not be convinced.

With the book  you can tell that everything before the ending is real. You can only say that is there is only one perspective for the series. We have multiple perspectives if you include the books and comics. So yes, everything but the ending has proof of being real.

[OrginaVendor]

Lol lets not go there. I find it pretty easy to have a gut that is very suspicious of IT too. What pro-IT people should be pushing back against is people who troll them and demean pro-IT. We aren't trying to sell religion here

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

1.ME:hOMEWORLDS.
2. ME:retribution
3.ME:Acension
The ME series has more the one perspective for it's story.

Nope. It was all a dream made by BioWare.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 16 juin 2012 - 02:14 .

[dreman9999]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

Lazers burn, not pierce.

[OrginaVendor]

And nobody picked a fight with me yet.. Always easier to pick off the more radical of us, huh..

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.ME:hOMEWORLDS.
2. ME:retribution
3.ME:Acension
The ME series has more the one perspective for it's story.

Nope. It was all a dream made by BioWare.

The problem statement is the fact that ME:REVILATION statest the series and pre date ME1 in timeline and realese. If the books where a dream, who's dream would it be and if is Shepards, Why is he dreaming about a real person he never met?
Sorry, the solid proof the ME is real till the end.

[AsheraII]

The simple fact remains, that there is NO proof for IT. There may be some details around that allow the possibility, but no actual proof whatsoever. The "proof" presented is simply as shallow as convicting someone for a murder on a busy parkinglot because he smokes Marlboro cigarettes but no usable DNA samples or fingerprints could be found on the one stub laying next to the victim that was taken for evidence.

We know there is indoctrination. We know there is Shepard. We simply have no proof for Shepard being indoctrinated. It's just as possible that Shepards' meeting with the Beacon on Eden Prime showed, or perhaps even caused high resillience or immunity against Reaper Indoctrination. You know what? There's absolutely nothing to prove otherwise. Javik wouldn't know either, he was a soldier, not a scientist, and if such technology was included in the Beacon, he definitely wouldn't have been privy to the knowledge. They'd keep that secret to prevent the Reapers from finding out such additional features of those beacons, otherwise the Reapers would definitely destroy them all, or even blow up entire planets suspect of having such a beacon.

The Indoctrination Theory fills in some blanks. But the followers pretend to fill in those blanks with hard ink as fact, while they are NOT in the position to do so. This is NOT their IP. At best, they get to fill in those blanks in italic with a very thin pencil that can easily be erased or overwritten for correction by the actual owners of the story and the IP.

And I'm REALLY getting tired of some of the followers trying to present the theory as fact. All "proof" presented is indirect, and could as easily be interpreted differently or completely discarded as proof for interpretation. It's an interesting theory, but that's all it is. Now stop clutching at straws, and let's see what the DLC actually brings, or I can guarantee you that you're in for an even bigger disappointment. It may involve IT, but it might as well not involve IT. And I for one seriously doubt it involves IT.

A lot of theorizing is possible for the Mass Effect universe. But lets not get this whole IP ruined by taking mere fan fiction for fact. That already ruined half the Star Wars IP, and now some wannabe writers seem intend on doing the same to Mass Effect..

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Shepard can also shoot TIM. Why doesn't Shepard bleed from the place s/he shot TIM?

Why doesn't Shepard die when Anderson die?

Why doesn't Shepard die when Anderson gets shot in the head?

Didn't you notice Shepard been holding her/his side even before?

Dream scape siymblisum....
Also, you still haven't give proof that the end is real.