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[OrginaVendor]

Oh lol. We are going backwards here

[dreman9999]

AsheraII wrote...

The simple fact remains, that there is NO proof for IT. There may be some details around that allow the possibility, but no actual proof whatsoever. The "proof" presented is simply as shallow as convicting someone for a murder on a busy parkinglot because he smokes Marlboro cigarettes but no usable DNA samples or fingerprints could be found on the one stub laying next to the victim that was taken for evidence.

We know there is indoctrination. We know there is Shepard. We simply have no proof for Shepard being indoctrinated. It's just as possible that Shepards' meeting with the Beacon on Eden Prime showed, or perhaps even caused high resillience or immunity against Reaper Indoctrination. You know what? There's absolutely nothing to prove otherwise. Javik wouldn't know either, he was a soldier, not a scientist, and if such technology was included in the Beacon, he definitely wouldn't have been privy to the knowledge. They'd keep that secret to prevent the Reapers from finding out such additional features of those beacons, otherwise the Reapers would definitely destroy them all, or even blow up entire planets suspect of having such a beacon.

The Indoctrination Theory fills in some blanks. But the followers pretend to fill in those blanks with hard ink as fact, while they are NOT in the position to do so. This is NOT their IP. At best, they get to fill in those blanks in italic with a very thin pencil that can easily be erased or overwritten for correction by the actual owners of the story and the IP.

And I'm REALLY getting tired of some of the followers trying to present the theory as fact. All "proof" presented is indirect, and could as easily be interpreted differently or completely discarded as proof for interpretation. It's an interesting theory, but that's all it is. Now stop clutching at straws, and let's see what the DLC actually brings, or I can guarantee you that you're in for an even bigger disappointment. It may involve IT, but it might as well not involve IT. And I for one seriously doubt it involves IT.

A lot of theorizing is possible for the Mass Effect universe. But lets not get this whole IP ruined by taking mere fan fiction for fact. That already ruined half the Star Wars IP, and now some wannabe writers seem intend on doing the same to Mass Effect..

What do you call TIM controling Shepard and Anderson  with indoctrination then?

[RukiaKuchki]

Do you think it could be possible that the EC won't prove or disprove IT? That would be fun...

[malakim2099]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

Perhaps I should refer you to grand Russian epic, "Cinderella". If shoe fits, wear it!

Also, for all your blathering about how IT is wrong... you haven't produced a shred of evidence as to why. As the OP, isn't it your responsibility to actually provide evidence IT is incorrect? Otherwise, well, you would just be trolling.

Besides, it's fun speculation. And at the moment, that's all we have. Speculation!

[OrginaVendor]

I would stop you ppl from putting down another poor over-enthusiastic IT supporter but w/e

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

The problem statement is the fact that ME:REVILATION statest the series and pre date ME1 in timeline and realese. If the books where a dream, who's dream would it be and if is Shepards, Why is he dreaming about a real person he never met?
Sorry, the solid proof the ME is real till the end.

Every person in ME went into a deep coma that was planted by an ogre. Then, they all dreamed about huge machines that wanted to harvest every organic life in the galaxy.

Really. Try and disprove me.

[malakim2099]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Do you think it could be possible that the EC won't prove or disprove IT? That would be fun...

That would be hilarious, and I think we'd have out and out bloodshed between the pro-IT and anti-IT groups. Me, I'm leaning pro-IT mainly due to the vehement juvenile vitriol that spills from the anti-IT folks. That and I'd like to believe that the writers were being maliciously clever as opposed to just bad.

(And there's plenty of evidence for it to go either way. Since OP doesn't need to put any in, I won't either, but there's quite a few excellent videos for pro-IT. Angry Joe summarizes it rather well if you hunt on the youtubes for it.)

EDIT: But really, I think the main reason the anti-ITers hate the IT is just the fact that IT tries to make sense of the ending. The anti-IT mindset, from what I can see, is that the ending is bad, and anything that makes sense of the ending is also bad, as well as somehow being an EA apologist. Whereas most pro-ITers just want the ending to make sense, and they have a theory that somewhat fits what was presented.

Bottom line, I wish we could just table the debate until EC comes out, just because it just goes round and round and then trolls like the OP make posts to try and start fights or rally people that have his same mindset.

Modifié par malakim2099, 16 juin 2012 - 02:36 .

[UrgentArchengel]

This thread is still here? Needs more TaliButt it seems.

[Tealjaker94]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

Lazers burn, not pierce.

They also don't explode but we clearly see the ground explode when harbinger shoots it. Also explosion=shrapnel which does pierce.

[GreyLycanTrope]

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Do you think it could be possible that the EC won't prove or disprove IT? That would be fun...

There is a chance that could happen Bioware has asked people what their thoughts on the IT are, how many believe it, what their interpriations are. And if they decide to keep the ending somewhat ambigious it's entirly possible that will be left up to interpretations. Though how that falls in line with clarification I have no idea

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

Dream scape siymblisum....
Also, you still haven't give proof that the end is real.

Symbolism? It's a dream... If Anderson got shot in the head, why isn't Shep bleeding from there? Why isn't Shepard gets shot from where TIM got shot? 

You still didn't give me proof why It isn't real. 

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The problem statement is the fact that ME:REVILATION statest the series and pre date ME1 in timeline and realese. If the books where a dream, who's dream would it be and if is Shepards, Why is he dreaming about a real person he never met?
Sorry, the solid proof the ME is real till the end.

Every person in ME went into a deep coma that was planted by an ogre. Then, they all dreamed about huge machines that wanted to harvest every organic life in the galaxy.

Really. Try and disprove me.

I don't have to. You don't have any proof of that. So, your counter arguement for me asking for proof for something is to make an assumption that still needs proof to support it?
Really, you just digging the whole deeper for your self.

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't have to. You don't have any proof of that. So, your counter arguement for me asking for proof for something is to make an assumption that still needs proof to support it?
Really, you just digging the whole deeper for your self.

And now you shot your own foot.

[Tealjaker94]

Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 16 juin 2012 - 02:30 .

[dreman9999]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

Lazers burn, not pierce.

They also don't explode but we clearly see the ground explode when harbinger shoots it. Also explosion=shrapnel which does pierce.

Heat expandes the mass of objects, Physics 101. If a super hot lazer hits the ground of course the ground will explode. And why did it hit only one place, this shrapnel?  Shepard should be hamber meat it it was.

[Seboist]

malakim2099 wrote...

RukiaKuchki wrote...

Do you think it could be possible that the EC won't prove or disprove IT? That would be fun...

That would be hilarious, and I think we'd have out and out bloodshed between the pro-IT and anti-IT groups. Me, I'm leaning pro-IT mainly due to the vehement juvenile vitriol that spills from the anti-IT folks. That and I'd like to believe that the writers were being maliciously clever as opposed to just bad.

(And there's plenty of evidence for it to go either way. Since OP doesn't need to put any in, I won't either, but there's quite a few excellent videos for pro-IT. Angry Joe summarizes it rather well if you hunt on the youtubes for it.)

Always good to see an ITer state their "theory" is based on Faith in the face of countless examples of shoddy writing such as the Cerberus superpower,space terminator,lazarus and the crucible.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Dream scape siymblisum....
Also, you still haven't give proof that the end is real.

Symbolism? It's a dream... If Anderson got shot in the head, why isn't Shep bleeding from there? Why isn't Shepard gets shot from where TIM got shot? 

You still didn't give me proof why It isn't real. 

The proof that is passible it's not real is the fact that there is no proof that it's real and where you meet the star child. Nothing in that scene makes sense. Also, if your facing a race of machines that can warp the perspective of you mind, it's wise to suspect what you see afteryou get knocked out while fighting these machines and waking up later.

[Simocrates]

The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I don't have to. You don't have any proof of that. So, your counter arguement for me asking for proof for something is to make an assumption that still needs proof to support it?
Really, you just digging the whole deeper for your self.

And now you shot your own foot.

How? I asked for proof and  you yet to give it. Also, not I never said that everything was fake, I'm just pointing out the possiblity that it can be fake.

[Memnon]

There is no burden of proof anywhere - there will be no proof until EC is released. Why is there talk about burden of proof and how people are 100% right about this or that? Everything discussed now is speculation, and nobody knows what will be in the EC until it is released ... it's fun to talk about it, but really, asking someone to prove something makes no sense. You might as well ask someone to prove who will win the World Cup in 2 years

Modifié par Stornskar, 16 juin 2012 - 02:37 .

[Seival]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

Lazers burn, not pierce.

They also don't explode but we clearly see the ground explode when harbinger shoots it. Also explosion=shrapnel which does pierce.

Heat expandes the mass of objects, Physics 101. If a super hot lazer hits the ground of course the ground will explode. And why did it hit only one place, this shrapnel?  Shepard should be hamber meat it it was.

...You are dreaming. ME3 was not released yet. And this thread is just your personal nightmare.

WAKE UP, dreman9999 !

[Seboist]

Zanza86 wrote...

The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."

If by "evidence" you mean grasping at straws by trying to find deep meaning in debris in the "gasp" scene, weapon bobbing(in a game full of bad animations no less) and noclipping to see things the player was never supposed to see then yeah.

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

The proof that is passible it's not real is the fact that there is no proof that it's real and where you meet the star child. Nothing in that scene makes sense. Also, if your facing a race of machines that can warp the perspective of you mind, it's wise to suspect what you see afteryou get knocked out while fighting these machines and waking up later.

You don't have any proof it's not real. Thus, it is real for now until you will find clear proof it isn't. 

And if I'll see a gaigentic machines that not a second before tried to shoot me you can bet I won't think they want me by their side as their slave. There can be better ways for them to make Shepard indoctrinated.

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

How? I asked for proof and  you yet to give it. Also, not I never said that everything was fake, I'm just pointing out the possiblity that it can be fake.

Then I'm pointing to the possibility that it's not. You can't tell me to bring you proofs something is real. The burden of proof is on you, not me.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 16 juin 2012 - 02:41 .

[dreman9999]

Seival wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Samtheman63 wrote...

shepard shoots anderson and then shepard bleeds from where he shot anderson, how people can ignore this i simply do not know

Yes because there's no way Shepard was wounded by harbinger's exploding death laser.

Lazers burn, not pierce.

They also don't explode but we clearly see the ground explode when harbinger shoots it. Also explosion=shrapnel which does pierce.

Heat expandes the mass of objects, Physics 101. If a super hot lazer hits the ground of course the ground will explode. And why did it hit only one place, this shrapnel?  Shepard should be hamber meat it it was.

...You are dreaming. ME3 was not released yet. And this thread is just your personal nightmare.

WAKE UP, dreman9999 !

No, your dreaming. Your dreaming that this topic happen. But you wake up the find the ME3 did relase and it still had the bad ending.