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dmay7 wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.
Explain this:
Explain this:
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)
Explain this:
Kind of weird they would be inverted?
Explain this:
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?
No, your not because I already gave you my awnser. But I'll tell you anyway. Indoctriantion is like some invading your home and has the master key to every door and safe in your home and knowlege of it. This person no matter what you do can't be stop but can be slowed down but never tires. The only thing that can stop that person is his own want of shallow or steep he wants to go through your home.jijeebo wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
For first of all...Tell me introduce you to the 3 theories of IT....
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone knows. It the one that stated everything after Shepard is down by harbinger is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands out by having Shepard still on earth.
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.)
Which one do you believe personally? I'm curious.
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
It's laziness to add more things that would give you more work to do?legion999 wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.
Explain this:
Explain this:
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)
Explain this:
Kind of weird they would be inverted?
Explain this:
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?
Laziness.
legion999 wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.
Explain this:
Explain this:
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)
Explain this:
Kind of weird they would be inverted?
Explain this:
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?
Laziness.
MaximizedAction wrote...
Zanza86 wrote...
The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."
This!
If this were a literature discussion, then arguments for why you are defending your interpretation and dismissing the other like "the author was just lazy" is not an acceptable argument. You have to trust the author!
If you don't, then you have no point at staying with the discussion. If you don't like the book, you go and pick another one.
I admit, that for the first month after finishing the game I too have thought that Bioware screwed up, and also posted it like an idiot around the BSN. But then while reading a few more literary takes on ME3 overall story I knew that nobody can screw up that much. And then I discovered IT.
TL;DR: Start looking more into the overall story structure of ME3 and make up your own mind!
But those theories have no support for them at all and easilly falls apart.HagarIshay wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
This!
If this were a literature discussion, then arguments for why you are defending your interpretation and dismissing the other like "the author was just lazy" is not an acceptable argument. You have to trust the author!
If you don't, then you have no point at staying with the discussion. If you don't like the book, you go and pick another one.
I admit, that for the first month after finishing the game I too have thought that Bioware screwed up, and also posted it like an idiot around the BSN. But then while reading a few more literary takes on ME3 overall story I knew that nobody can screw up that much. And then I discovered IT.
TL;DR: Start looking more into the overall story structure of ME3 and make up your own mind!
Please, not every person that don't like the IT is only stating that BioWare was lazy. There are other theories on the BSN. There are speculations. It's not only two groups, Pro-IT or anti-IT +anti-BioWare.
Modifié par dreman9999, 16 juin 2012 - 03:13 .
Guest_Vurculac_*
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Modifié par Vurculac, 16 juin 2012 - 03:16 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Asking for proof of something doesn't mean your saying that another point is real. When I asked if there's any proof the ending is real, did I say that the ending is not real?
Nor have I given any statement that i think the spectualtion that It's fake is fact. I have yet to say so. If you who thinks I'm saying it's a fact that it's a dream.
And the ending is vague with nothing cleary explain. That's not something you take at face value, especially when it's well known that the writer wanted the ending to be specualated over.
You really can say what is real whne your facing an enemy that warps the mind.
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Being foce to make a choice doesn't mean you beleive it. It just means your forced to make a choice.HagarIshay wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Asking for proof of something doesn't mean your saying that another point is real. When I asked if there's any proof the ending is real, did I say that the ending is not real?
Nor have I given any statement that i think the spectualtion that It's fake is fact. I have yet to say so. If you who thinks I'm saying it's a fact that it's a dream.
And the ending is vague with nothing cleary explain. That's not something you take at face value, especially when it's well known that the writer wanted the ending to be specualated over.
You really can say what is real whne your facing an enemy that warps the mind.
I never outright dismissed the IT. I brought arguments against it, but never have I said it all BS. When you are saying "proof to me that the ending is real" can sound like: " You have no evidence that the ending is real. Thus, it's not".
I think we got into a misunderstanding here. Sorry for that.
You are never given the option not to take it at face value. You have to believe the catalyst, you have to believe everything is real. You can't even argue with the catalyst. You only have the option of believe what he says. Maybe it isn't real. But it was sure not very clear you should not take it like that.
Vurculac wrote...
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Then why do you care? Or are you just looking to start arguments and belittle people?
dreman9999 wrote...
But those theories have no support for them at all and easilly falls apart.
Lets see, forgotten shader (possibly a redesign of the final room), coincidental design(3 circles is equal to 4 circles apparently even when they look totally different and a beam should look different somewhere else? really? that's proof?), an object that has been mirrored instead of given us two of the same objects and trees that don't actually look like the trees from the dream(Just look up a screenshot of the dream scene).dreman9999 wrote...
It's laziness to add more things that would give you more work to do?legion999 wrote...
dmay7 wrote...
Tealjaker94 wrote...
Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.
Explain this:
*image*
Explain this:
*image*
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)
Explain this:
*image*
Kind of weird they would be inverted?
Explain this:
*image*
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?
Laziness.
Guest_Vurculac_*
dreman9999 wrote...
Being foce to make a choice doesn't mean you beleive it. It just means your forced to make a choice.
OrginaVendor wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Laziness.
LolMaximizedAction wrote...
Zanza86 wrote...
The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."
This!
If this were a literature discussion, then arguments for why you are defending your interpretation and dismissing the other like "the author was just lazy" is not an acceptable argument. You have to trust the author!
If you don't, then you have no point at staying with the discussion. If you don't like the book, you go and pick another one.
I admit, that for the first month after finishing the game I too have thought that Bioware screwed up, and also posted it like an idiot around the BSN. But then while reading a few more literary takes on ME3 overall story I knew that nobody can screw up that much. And then I discovered IT.
TL;DR: Start looking more into the overall story structure of ME3 and make up your own mind!
Modifié par legion999, 16 juin 2012 - 03:22 .
OrginaVendor wrote...
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Will have to disagree with you on that. All ideas seem stupid when you disgree with it and see someone else singing praises about how smart it is. Also you probably don't know a lot about IT. Not that you'd be convinced by it if you read up more. Anyway the dreamy ending is the one being focused on here, not addictive "trash" entertainment. People think ME3 is better than that, and can be even better with IT
Baked shadows and reflections in the texture? Glitching reflections from props hidden behind the scenery from old versions of that scene?dmay7 wrote...
Explain this:
Oh gosh, a vertical white/blue beam of light, made using a long primitive shape and then giving it some glowing properties. I'd advice you to look through all three ME games and look for more glowy objects, I think you're onto something. I'd start with the Normandy's exhausts, I'm pretty sure theres some glowy beam hiding between the particles as well! Which leads to the conclusion that... EDI is a Reaper!dmay7 wrote...
Explain this:
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)
Boot up your copy of ME2, and visit Illium. Go to the parking lot, and look at all those nice X3M hoovercars. Or does it say MEX on them? Yes, half of them have inverted textures. Or more precisely, the entire vehicle is inverted: some have the cabin on the left side, others have it on the right side. I hate to say it, but that's just caused by some sloppy quick content creation: make one wall, mirror it, and you've got two walls, together making one corridor. There are hundreds of instances like this to be found in all three Mass Effect games. Don't search any bigger meaning behind it: there isn't. The game as a whole would've been postponed by several months if the artists had had to go through and fix all of those. Ideally, they would've fixed it the moment they created the mirrors, but it might even have been done purposely, to reduce resource and rendering costs.dmay7 wrote...
Explain this:
Kind of weird they would be inverted?
Yup, assets like trees are generally included in limited amounts, and re-used throughout the content. I don't know whether the designers actually made those trees themselves, or bought them in "packs" from some 3D design company, but that doesn't matter: No, you won't get 5000 different trees in game. You're getting maybe 25-50 different trees in total for the entire game, about 5 to 10 of them will be "bare" trees, so chances are: you're going to see that tree again some time.dmay7 wrote...
Explain this:
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?
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Guest_Vurculac_*
PreciousIsland wrote...
Vurculac wrote...
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Then why do you care? Or are you just looking to start arguments and belittle people?
It just kind of jumped out at me since it is so pathetic. I am not quarreling with him and his post is fair game to be responded to. What should I do? Look away?
PreciousIsland wrote...
OrginaVendor wrote...
PreciousIsland wrote...
Doctor Uburian wrote...
Catamantaloedis wrote...
The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.
So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?
I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.
If you are being serious then you are pathetic. You need to grow up. It is just a dumb ending to a video game. Most video games have dumb endings. IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself. Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.
I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so). Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.
The badness of TV:
Will have to disagree with you on that. All ideas seem stupid when you disgree with it and see someone else singing praises about how smart it is. Also you probably don't know a lot about IT. Not that you'd be convinced by it if you read up more. Anyway the dreamy ending is the one being focused on here, not addictive "trash" entertainment. People think ME3 is better than that, and can be even better with IT
What does IT, saying it was true, accomplish in a literary sense that would make it worthwhile? Essentially, why would IT be good or even better than the present ending?
dreman9999 wrote...
No, your not because I already gave you my awnser. But I'll tell you anyway. Indoctriantion is like some invading your home and has the master key to every door and safe in your home and knowlege of it. This person no matter what you do can't be stop but can be slowed down but never tires. The only thing that can stop that person is his own want of shallow or steep he wants to go through your home.jijeebo wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
For first of all...Tell me introduce you to the 3 theories of IT....
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone knows. It the one that stated everything after Shepard is down by harbinger is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands out by having Shepard still on earth.
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.)
Which one do you believe personally? I'm curious.
With that said,beleiving in one of them opens every theory to the other.
legion999 wrote...
OrginaVendor wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Laziness.
LolMaximizedAction wrote...
Zanza86 wrote...
The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."
This!
If this were a literature discussion, then arguments for why you are defending your interpretation and dismissing the other like "the author was just lazy" is not an acceptable argument. You have to trust the author!
If you don't, then you have no point at staying with the discussion. If you don't like the book, you go and pick another one.
I admit, that for the first month after finishing the game I too have thought that Bioware screwed up, and also posted it like an idiot around the BSN. But then while reading a few more literary takes on ME3 overall story I knew that nobody can screw up that much. And then I discovered IT.
TL;DR: Start looking more into the overall story structure of ME3 and make up your own mind!
So I'm not allowed to believe Bioware got lazy when developing the ending? And who said I was arguing for or againist anything? He/she asked for an explanation and I offered one.
Modifié par OrginaVendor, 16 juin 2012 - 03:30 .
OrginaVendor wrote...
legion999 wrote...
OrginaVendor wrote...
legion999 wrote...
Laziness.
LolMaximizedAction wrote...
Zanza86 wrote...
The original IT thread has plenty of evidence that the followers believe supports their theory. All I've seen from non-IT believers is "nah BioWare are dumb, bad writing, so dumb, retake something we never actually had, hold the imaginary line, hold the wallet by not buying free DLC."
This!
If this were a literature discussion, then arguments for why you are defending your interpretation and dismissing the other like "the author was just lazy" is not an acceptable argument. You have to trust the author!
If you don't, then you have no point at staying with the discussion. If you don't like the book, you go and pick another one.
I admit, that for the first month after finishing the game I too have thought that Bioware screwed up, and also posted it like an idiot around the BSN. But then while reading a few more literary takes on ME3 overall story I knew that nobody can screw up that much. And then I discovered IT.
TL;DR: Start looking more into the overall story structure of ME3 and make up your own mind!
So I'm not allowed to believe Bioware got lazy when developing the ending? And who said I was arguing for or againist anything? He/she asked for an explanation and I offered one.
Lol, who am i to tell you what's allowed or not. I'm just offering a perspective on why your explanation may not be valid. Don't be so defensive. lol don't mind my last sentence
Well, understand now that I don't have a favourite.jijeebo wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
No, your not because I already gave you my awnser. But I'll tell you anyway. Indoctriantion is like some invading your home and has the master key to every door and safe in your home and knowlege of it. This person no matter what you do can't be stop but can be slowed down but never tires. The only thing that can stop that person is his own want of shallow or steep he wants to go through your home.jijeebo wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
For first of all...Tell me introduce you to the 3 theories of IT....
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone knows. It the one that stated everything after Shepard is down by harbinger is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands out by having Shepard still on earth.
2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.
3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.)
Which one do you believe personally? I'm curious.
With that said,beleiving in one of them opens every theory to the other.
I am curious, I don't recall you ever telling me which of the theories is your favourite or most likely to be what is happening.
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