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[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Being foce to make a choice doesn't mean you beleive it. It just means your forced to make a choice.

Exactly. You are forced to make a choice without any question. If you make the choice even if you don't believe the choice will do anything, then something is very wrong. That's why I take the ending at face value.

That's not a reason to take the ending as face value at all.  Just because you see something doesn't mean it real. These are machine that can warp the mind, they can esailly show you anything. The fact that they can leaves the ending at suspect.

[PreciousIsland]

Vurculac wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

Vurculac wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?

I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.

If you are being serious then you are pathetic.  You need to grow up.  It is just a dumb ending to a video game.  Most video games have dumb endings.  IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself.  Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.

I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so).  Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.

The badness of TV:  

Then why do you care? Or are you just looking to start arguments and belittle people?

It just kind of jumped out at me since it is so pathetic.  I am not quarreling with him and his post is fair game to be responded to.  What should I do?  Look away?

If all you are going to do is insult and belittle, then yes look away. So you don't believe the Indoc Theory ok we get it, disagree all you like. But when you start calling people pathetic based on thier interpritation of the games finale..(speculation for everyone seems to have the underlying goal here and I'd say mission accomplished) then you become just as pathetic as you apparently think the people you oppose are.

He was the one who asked if he was pathetic.  He may have meant it rhetorically, but he basically said that he wasn't thinking about it properly because the scope of this "crisis" had been exaggerated to a ludicrous degree in his mind.  I would have to say that to say that would seem to indicate that he is miserably and contemptibly inadequate, so pathetic.

Are you the white knight of the Bioware forums?  This kid (or <shudder> adult...) needs to get over this because there are worse things than a ****ty ending to your favorite game series out there.  Hell, make up your own ending, or better yet, your own sci-fi universe, but realize that you don't need some company that sucks and doesn't give a **** either to authenticate some hokey crackpot ending forum posters cobbled together that accomplishes nothing besides negating the existing bad ending, which is already dead, anyways.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I am curious, I don't recall you ever telling me which of the theories is your favourite or most likely to be what is happening.

Well, understand now that I don't have a favourite.

Oh well, each to their own I guess.

[string3r]

Stop that TC, you're giving away that once last lick of hope that the fans have left.

[dreman9999]

Stegoceras wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

dmay7 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

Once again the burden of proof is upon the ITers. If you make I point that supports IT then ok, but asking us to prove the ending is real is asinine. Reality, just like innocence, is assumed until proven otherwise.

Explain this:
*image*

Explain this:
*image*
(Remarkably simmilar aspects, don't you think?)

Explain this:
*image*
Kind of weird they would be inverted?

Explain this:
*image*
Kind of familiar looking trees, wouldn't you say?

Laziness.

It's laziness to add more things that would give you more work to do?

Lets see, forgotten shader (possibly a redesign of the final room), coincidental design(3 circles is equal to 4 circles apparently even when they look totally different and a beam should look different somewhere else? really? that's proof?), an object that has been mirrored instead of given us two of the same objects and trees that don't actually look like the trees from the dream(Just look up a screenshot of the dream scene).

Sorry to say, I'm sure you will say my explanations are absurd, but in my opinion it's only there if you want it to be there, multiple explanations are possible and only the future will tell which ones are right (at least I hope so).

Why give a mirror of a tree in a room with no trees?
Also, it takes more work to make something similer to something.

[OrginaVendor]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'll ask this question again as I've yet to get an answer. Let's assume all the evidence you've gathered is real. That means bioware planned IT from the start. Why would they do this but wait to make the "real" ending? It certainly doesn't help their sales. I like some things about IT, but I just think if bioware had planned it we would have gotten the EC in early April, rather than maybe July or August at this point.

Lol that's a trick question, is it? Going to alter it a bit.

Actually, from me, you don't even need to assume anything, bioware could have simply screwed up the ending from the beginning, but either way, it has left us in an interesting position where IT could work very well(Screw most of the ppl who say otherwise, please go read up more on IT from different sources, not only your resident hipster)
So heres hoping it can be capitalised upon. There are a lot of details that we could go into though

[dreman9999]

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'll ask this question again as I've yet to get an answer. Let's assume all the evidence you've gathered is real. That means bioware planned IT from the start. Why would they do this but wait to make the "real" ending? It certainly doesn't help their sales. I like some things about IT, but I just think if bioware had planned it we would have gotten the EC in early April, rather than maybe July or August at this point.

Because they asked EA for a 6 month push back but got 3 months instead.

[Etereoooo]

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Modifié par Etereoooo, 16 juin 2012 - 03:43 .

[OrginaVendor]

PreciousIsland wrote...

Vurculac wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

Vurculac wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

Doctor Uburian wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

So, just because i don't want to accept a fatalistic, nihilistic, dark, and dessesperate vision of life i'm pathetic?

I think that i have the right to do with my beliefs and ideals what i want, and that's why i will never surrender to the obscurity produced by the Mass effect 3 ending.

If you are being serious then you are pathetic.  You need to grow up.  It is just a dumb ending to a video game.  Most video games have dumb endings.  IT itself isn't half as clever as people seem to think it is and would be a dumb ending itself.  Just accept that it was disappointing for a standout game to waste an opportunity to maybe put video games on par with television as an art form and move on.

I mean, that was really all that was at stake here, too. The chance for video games as a story-telling medium to be mentioned in the same breath as television, a medium that is generally scorned and ignored by people with taste (and rightfully so).  Can't get enough Mad Men, myself.

The badness of TV:  

Then why do you care? Or are you just looking to start arguments and belittle people?

It just kind of jumped out at me since it is so pathetic.  I am not quarreling with him and his post is fair game to be responded to.  What should I do?  Look away?

If all you are going to do is insult and belittle, then yes look away. So you don't believe the Indoc Theory ok we get it, disagree all you like. But when you start calling people pathetic based on thier interpritation of the games finale..(speculation for everyone seems to have the underlying goal here and I'd say mission accomplished) then you become just as pathetic as you apparently think the people you oppose are.

He was the one who asked if he was pathetic.  He may have meant it rhetorically, but he basically said that he wasn't thinking about it properly because the scope of this "crisis" had been exaggerated to a ludicrous degree in his mind.  I would have to say that to say that would seem to indicate that he is miserably and contemptibly inadequate, so pathetic.

Are you the white knight of the Bioware forums?  This kid (or <shudder> adult...) needs to get over this because there are worse things than a ****ty ending to your favorite game series out there.  Hell, make up your own ending, or better yet, your own sci-fi universe, but realize that you don't need some company that sucks and doesn't give a **** either to authenticate some hokey crackpot ending forum posters cobbled together that accomplishes nothing besides negating the existing bad ending, which is already dead, anyways.

Lol. I would ask what your stinking problem is with people seeking to better their entertainment and if it really hurts you that bad to attack them like this, and then tell you to go back to your trash entertainment and leave the more refined of us alone, but w/e

[dreman9999]

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Why is IT a bad ending?

[Stegoceras]

dreman9999 wrote...
]Why give a mirror of a tree in a room with no trees?
Also, it takes more work to make something similer to something.

Because the object isn't a true mirror. It's just a a shader. They did the same in Swtor, where a droid in room had a room reflected on his dome, while in the next room another droid would have the exact same room reflection. Also mirrors would be complete resource sinks.

I presume that there was a design earlier that had trees in it, hence the shader on the floor. Someone decide trees had to go, shader was forgotten. Besides nowhere around Shepard will you find those patricular trees, so unless they are completly imaginary.....well, I honestly can't see how it would support Indoctrination either way.

Modifié par Stegoceras, 16 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[Ageless Face]

dreman9999 wrote...

That's not a reason to take the ending as face value at all.  Just because you see something doesn't mean it real. These are machine that can warp the mind, they can esailly show you anything. The fact that they can leaves the ending at suspect.

No it's not the reason we should take it at face value. It's the reason I take it at face value. I am not given a different way to look at it. I can't argue with the catalyst, I can't kill try and kill the catalyst, I can't go back, I see the reapers leave Earth, I see the normandy was taken away from Earth. I don't see Shepard answering to the reapers at the end. I don't see the reapers coming back and kill everyone. We don't even know that Shepard was on Earth in the breath scene. Just that s/he is alive.

Nothing tells me to question the catalyst. So, I don't (at least wether he is lying. I question his logic quite a lot). 

[PreciousIsland]

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

This is the biggest knock against IT.  IT is retarded.  Whenever people criticize it, IT people scoff and say that you don't understand it.  Guess what?  There is nothing to understand.  You're not that smart.  IT is not clever.  It is stupid.

[jijeebo]

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Strong in the force, this one is.

[OrginaVendor]

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Talking about the game here, I've mostly given up hope on BW planning this from the start but it can work in-game. You either aren't giving IT any chance at all or don't know crap about it. 

[Tealjaker94]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...

I'll ask this question again as I've yet to get an answer. Let's assume all the evidence you've gathered is real. That means bioware planned IT from the start. Why would they do this but wait to make the "real" ending? It certainly doesn't help their sales. I like some things about IT, but I just think if bioware had planned it we would have gotten the EC in early April, rather than maybe July or August at this point.

Because they asked EA for a 6 month push back but got 3 months instead.

So they just don't make the ending? That's hardly a precedent I want to set. Want more time to finish your game but still need to meet the release date? Just release it with a crap ending and fix your mistake later!

[PreciousIsland]

dreman9999 wrote...

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Why is IT a bad ending?

Because the dream itself has to say something compelling.  IT is created in response to the impression that the ending was a bunch of garbage and IT would negate it.  There is no point in even having the dream (just have whatever comes after it) if the dream has no narrative purpose.

[OrginaVendor]

You are the ones who started scoffing, lol. Nobody demeaned you ppl for not bothering with IT, Anti-IT ppl are the ones riding on their "superiority" over ITers

[OrginaVendor]

PreciousIsland wrote...

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

This is the biggest knock against IT.  IT is retarded.  Whenever people criticize it, IT people scoff and say that you don't understand it.  Guess what?  There is nothing to understand.  You're not that smart.  IT is not clever.  It is stupid.

Actually in your case it may very well be true. You're getting way too personal and attacking the people more than the idea, you do know very little about IT

Modifié par OrginaVendor, 16 juin 2012 - 03:57 .

[jijeebo]

OrginaVendor wrote...

You are the ones who started scoffing, lol. Nobody demeaned you ppl for not bothering with IT, Anti-IT ppl are the ones riding on their "superiority" over ITers

That is absolutely false.

I was more or less indifferent about IT until I got called stupid a million times for asking questions about parts of the theory I didn't understand or thought didn't make sense.


Both sides have been as bad as each other in regards to elitism... Such is the internet.

[PreciousIsland]

PreciousIsland wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Why is IT a bad ending?

Because the dream itself has to say something compelling.  IT is created in response to the impression that the ending was a bunch of garbage and IT would negate it.  There is no point in even having the dream (just have whatever comes after it) if the dream has no narrative purpose.

Do you have an answer to this, OrginaVendor?  Or are you just going to keep doing what I accuse you of doing and saying that I can't understand the brilliance of IT theory with 100% of my puny brain?

Modifié par PreciousIsland, 16 juin 2012 - 03:58 .

[Memnon]

jijeebo wrote...

OrginaVendor wrote...

You are the ones who started scoffing, lol. Nobody demeaned you ppl for not bothering with IT, Anti-IT ppl are the ones riding on their "superiority" over ITers

That is absolutely false.

I was more or less indifferent about IT until I got called stupid a million times for asking questions about parts of the theory I didn't understand or thought didn't make sense.


Both sides have been as bad as each other in regards to elitism... Such is the internet.

I don't know, starting a thread that is titled, "Anyone who thinks such-and-such is delusional and weak minded" reeks of superiority and condescension ... I've been something of a cynic regarind IT, and have asked plenty of questions without my intelligence being question or being insulted. I engage in dialogue instead of throwing out insults and ad hominem attacks ... I've found most of the IT folks to be willing to discuss things rationally, especially in the 3000+ post thread. 

[dreman9999]

Stegoceras wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]Why give a mirror of a tree in a room with no trees?
Also, it takes more work to make something similer to something.

Because the object isn't a true mirror. It's just a a shader. They did the same in Swtor, where a droid in room had a room reflected on his dome, while in the next room another droid would have the exact same room reflection. Also mirrors would be complete resource sinks.

I presume that there was a design earlier that had trees in it, hence the shader on the floor. Someone decide trees had to go, shader was forgotten. Besides nowhere around Shepard will you find those patricular trees, so unless they are completly imaginary.....well, I honestly can't see how it would support Indoctrination either way.

. Then why is floor is reflecting everything else in the room? And give proof of these trees they were planing before.

Modifié par dreman9999, 16 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[OrginaVendor]

PreciousIsland wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Etereoooo wrote...

Ending as it is suck.
Ending as it is + I.T. suck.
Problem?

I.T. is still a bad ending, so Biow. decided to destroy his fanbase only to use some sort of mind****? Sweet.

Why is IT a bad ending?

Because the dream itself has to say something compelling.  IT is created in response to the impression that the ending was a bunch of garbage and IT would negate it.  There is no point in even having the dream (just have whatever comes after it) if the dream has no narrative purpose.

Do you have an answer to this, OrginaVendor?  Or are you just going to keep doing what I accuse you of doing and saying that I can't understand the brilliance of IT theory with 100% of my puny brain?

....... I didn't say you are dumb in any way of the word, lol. And IT theory is not perfect at all. Your focusing on the personalities behind the support for IT theory is a forked up fallacy in itself. 

[PreciousIsland]

dreman9999 wrote...

Stegoceras wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
]Why give a mirror of a tree in a room with no trees?
Also, it takes more work to make something similer to something.

Because the object isn't a true mirror. It's just a a shader. They did the same in Swtor, where a droid in room had a room reflected on his dome, while in the next room another droid would have the exact same room reflection. Also mirrors would be complete resource sinks.

I presume that there was a design earlier that had trees in it, hence the shader on the floor. Someone decide trees had to go, shader was forgotten. Besides nowhere around Shepard will you find those patricular trees, so unless they are completly imaginary.....well, I honestly can't see how it would support Indoctrination either way.

. Then why is floor is reflecting everything else in the room? And give proof of these trees they were planing before.

If you have to look this hard there is nothing there.