OrginaVendor wrote...
shodiswe wrote...
The problem with disproving the IT is that there is no proof of it to begin with, it's jsut a lot of loose ends that people have been speculationg and fanticising about... It's like an old fashiend witchhunt, it would never hold in any court it the purpose was to prove a crome had hapend, assuming the indoctrination was the crime.
The best proof against the IT is the lack of proof to the contrary. There is no single piece of evidence that tells us 100% that Shepard was indoctrinated, or that shepard was indoctrinated to the lvl needed for the IT to be valid. Reused graphics or Keeper salvaged materials is no proof of anything.
To me IT seems to have become a religious cult that's more interested in protecting it's "Faith" thereby all evidence and reasoning would be pointless. Secondly since all the evidence for IT are loosely knit anomalies with no explanation or indication given by the originator of this piece of art/story any of these things can be interpreted in one of hundreds of different ways. Only afew would intercept with IT, and for IT to hold all anomalies must be interpreted in a way that supports IT or it fails.
However, since IT is no longer about reasoning or logic or proof but a leap of "Faith" there is nothing left to discuss. The only valid question is, do you support IT as your religion? Does it comfort you when the ending becommes to painful, does it bring you solave when shepard stands there saying he/she doesn't know. Does it bring you a feeling of relief each time the Catalyst tells you the "truth" that shepard won't question, that doesn't matter because you have your "Faith"? Then you are an IT cultist.
Normaly I wouldn't care at all but it's getting a little tiresome to see an IT person jump into every thread and say it's untrue mention something about IT and link the IT threads that have been bumped to the top of the forums for moths... We all know there are there thank you very much. We have seen them, it's hard to miss the works of the space jehovas of Mass effect.
I'm sure the future of the Mass effect francise will picture Sheard like some kind of messia among pretty much all the races in the galaxy... Not sure about the Batarians , they could be the exception but Sheaprd did save them aswell.
I'm not looking for an opportunity to bash anyone in particular idea/s but all this IT evangelism is getting out of hand, I was hoping it would quiet down after a while. Maybe the EC will slow it down even if it won't route it out. Having their visions fail and proven wrong and forcing them to reevaluate didn't disband the Jehovas. They just adapted and whatever hapend they would "edit" their beliefs to keep it alive.
I wonder what it will sound like when the 5th installment is about to hit.. Well people IT didn't get proven in the 4th installment but we found a lot of anomalities indicating that something weird is indeed going on, out belief is stronger than ever before, the 5th game will prove it!
I'm actualy starting to look forward to the EC even if it's crap.. I'm sure a few things will amuse me at the very least. And I love the ME universe even if the ME3 ending was horrible in it's execution. New cinematics will be welcome.
Partly true, but the focus on the religious portion of IT does expose some fallacy as well. Many of us just think that IT could work well if put into ME3, especially since there are already some clues(who are not proof, evidently) supporting IT.
I'm sure some IT arn't as fanatical as others, but sometimes it feels like they are always entering threads, saying IT is the only truth even if it's loosely relevant to the thread in question and linking the IT threads.
I don't like the current ending, I can understand the need for it to be a hallucination, dream or anything but the truth.
But it feels like some people are referign to the IT in any given situation as if hoping that it will save the game if they make it seem like the only thing fans care about, therefor Bioware have to include it.
Im starting to get a little bored with it. a few days agao I didn't care much about IT I was still ignorign it hoping it would go away but it's still here, after months of bumping. months of repeated linking of old IT threads. months of turning anything gamerelated to have somethign to do with the IT. I know the feeling... most of the game makes me remebmer the ME3 ending that was horrible. Yet I can't subscribe to an idea and see it as the only answer when it lacks any kind of proof or credibility to make it better than all other ideas out there.
Personaly I think the people at Bioware ran out of time and put in the "original" ending, I don't think its a new ending at all... It's the original sketching of an ending with no extra work to make it a good ending that fits the story of ME that has evolved since the sketched ending was first concived years back.
After that the game evolved the universe evolved with the Krogan, the geth the quarians and countless stories and adventure that changed the theme of the series. Also the basic endign need fine tuning and personalization to fit more than one shepard, however there was no time for that and maybe they are out of disc space/console memory and other issues. Also the original writer/s might have objected to several changes in the game and it's story that put the ending out of sync with eachother.
All in all I think the failure of the ending is a combination of fan expectaions and human failure to predict the need that was there. Like the people on the pressconference said, they didn't expect the needs of their fans.
It was probably that simple, no need for a huge conspiracy that does more harm than good for the people supposedly behind the conspiracy... Be that the company or employees, disgruntled or otherwise.
I think it's all very simple, it's not a theory that requier proof or that I care about proving or that I care if anyone belives.
It will be very interestign to see the EC and see what BW thinks the fanns need, and what the "fans" reaction will be.
Im going to make a point of trying the EC before reading what everyone else things, just the way I experienced the original ending. That way my thoguht's will be myown, then it will be interesting to see what other fans thinks about it.
This is my advice, try the EC before you read other peoples reviews about it. It's more fun that way and then you got your own ideas to compare with other people's thought's on the subject. Instead of jumping on the bandvagon before checking it out. You might miss out on something otherwise.
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