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[Ageless Face]

SauliusL wrote...


Well you did face a reaper directly in Tuchanka, hell you even defeated one in Rannoch and talked to him. Or maybe you didn't?

Oh... But there were other people that were there. If Shepard didn't talk with the reaper, why didn't Tali come out and said:

"Ah, Shepard? Who are you talking to?"

[SauliusL]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


Yeah, but if reapers were real and in your town and sending waves to your limbic system, maybe you would have different dreams or they would mean something

If the reapers are indoctrinate thorgh the... that system. Then the reapers didn't even need to kidnap. They could just try and indoc Shepard even harder. Insted of months, the indoc will take days. Maybe even hours.

Codex - than it's rapid indoctrination, and will turn you to husk.

[SauliusL]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


Well you did face a reaper directly in Tuchanka, hell you even defeated one in Rannoch and talked to him. Or maybe you didn't?

Oh... But there were other people that were there. If Shepard didn't talk with the reaper, why didn't Tali come out and said:

"Ah, Shepard? Who are you talking to?"

I am not sure I understand your point. At least my Shepard defeated that reaper, who was firing at Shepard directly, and after that talked to him. What is that you are asking?

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


Well you did face a reaper directly in Tuchanka, hell you even defeated one in Rannoch and talked to him. Or maybe you didn't?

Oh... But there were other people that were there. If Shepard didn't talk with the reaper, why didn't Tali come out and said:

"Ah, Shepard? Who are you talking to?"

im sorry but alot of the "Counter arguments"  your bringing up seem to point more toward IT than disprove it... 

just a observation.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 16 juin 2012 - 06:01 .

[SauliusL]

llbountyhunter wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


Well you did face a reaper directly in Tuchanka, hell you even defeated one in Rannoch and talked to him. Or maybe you didn't?

Oh... But there were other people that were there. If Shepard didn't talk with the reaper, why didn't Tali come out and said:

"Ah, Shepard? Who are you talking to?"

im sorry but alot of the "Counter arguments"  your bringing up seem to point more toward IT than disprove it... 

just a observation.

He is waking up ))

[dreman9999]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Who said they stopped. What do you think the dreams are?

Wild guess: The dreams were dreams. What a surprise...

And it's by coincidence that the dreams came up after facing the reapers and their focres on the mission. Remeber, the libic system is where your dreams happen. And indoctriantion manipulates the limbic system.

Wait, when do the dreams occur again?

It's been a while since I played ME3.

The first one happens after the palven moon mission.
the second one happens after the last mission on tuchanka.

The last one happens after sactuarty/before the cerberus base.

I thought there were only 3 dream sequences?

I'm going to try looking this up, shame my googling skills suck.

Oh, your right ..It is 3......They still happen after you face the reaper and there forces though.

[Ageless Face]

llbountyhunter wrote...


Still, the reapers can still bring more reapers. The reapers landed on Rannoch and Tuchanka. Did they honetly didn't see Shepard there and brought more reapers there?

And on Earth at the start. No reaper seemed really intreseted in Shepard. They surely knew s/he was there. Why not try and capture him/her?

And (not 100% sure) weren't the harvested let the reapers know who they were fighting with? If Shepard did Thessia, and the harvested tracked him/her, didn't the reapers know about it?

your bringing up evidence that supports IT..... this makes no sense at face value...  <_<

Actually it doesn't make sense either way. Why didn't the reapers try to indoc better if they actually wanted to indoctrinate Shepard?

Why didn't the reapers try and kill Shepard if they didn't want Shepard indoc?

No sense either way.

[Jadebaby]

wow, in the 6 hours i've been asleep this thread has degraded into such a strawman.

[D24O]

Do mine eyes deceive me, or has has this thread turned into an IT support thread?

[Baa Baa]

Indoctrination Theory is for people who still have hope in BioWare. It's not a weak minded delusion because it hasn't been disproved yet. Because they want the SPECULATIONS

[SauliusL]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Still, the reapers can still bring more reapers. The reapers landed on Rannoch and Tuchanka. Did they honetly didn't see Shepard there and brought more reapers there?

And on Earth at the start. No reaper seemed really intreseted in Shepard. They surely knew s/he was there. Why not try and capture him/her?

And (not 100% sure) weren't the harvested let the reapers know who they were fighting with? If Shepard did Thessia, and the harvested tracked him/her, didn't the reapers know about it?

your bringing up evidence that supports IT..... this makes no sense at face value...  <_<

Actually it doesn't make sense either way. Why didn't the reapers try to indoc better if they actually wanted to indoctrinate Shepard?

Why didn't the reapers try and kill Shepard if they didn't want Shepard indoc?

No sense either way.

What would you mean by 'try to indoc better" ? What is better? Faster? Stronger? With the help of artifacts?
These are things you should be asking the writers. Fans could only speculate.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Still, the reapers can still bring more reapers. The reapers landed on Rannoch and Tuchanka. Did they honetly didn't see Shepard there and brought more reapers there?

And on Earth at the start. No reaper seemed really intreseted in Shepard. They surely knew s/he was there. Why not try and capture him/her?

And (not 100% sure) weren't the harvested let the reapers know who they were fighting with? If Shepard did Thessia, and the harvested tracked him/her, didn't the reapers know about it?

your bringing up evidence that supports IT..... this makes no sense at face value...  <_<

Actually it doesn't make sense either way. Why didn't the reapers try to indoc better if they actually wanted to indoctrinate Shepard?

Why didn't the reapers try and kill Shepard if they didn't want Shepard indoc?

No sense either way.

Because Shepard would notice if they tried to force it. They were being subtle.

[Ageless Face]

SauliusL wrote...

Codex - than it's rapid indoctrination, and will turn you to husk.

Very well, then I concede that point. If the reapers wanted to indoctrinate Shepard through the dreams.

But my point still stands: Why didn't the reapers try to kidnap Shepard?

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


Still, the reapers can still bring more reapers. The reapers landed on Rannoch and Tuchanka. Did they honetly didn't see Shepard there and brought more reapers there?

And on Earth at the start. No reaper seemed really intreseted in Shepard. They surely knew s/he was there. Why not try and capture him/her?

And (not 100% sure) weren't the harvested let the reapers know who they were fighting with? If Shepard did Thessia, and the harvested tracked him/her, didn't the reapers know about it?

your bringing up evidence that supports IT..... this makes no sense at face value...  <_<

Actually it doesn't make sense either way. Why didn't the reapers try to indoc better if they actually wanted to indoctrinate Shepard?

Why didn't the reapers try and kill Shepard if they didn't want Shepard indoc?

No sense either way.

they "try to indoc better" in the end.... the point of IT... 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 16 juin 2012 - 06:09 .

[Jadebaby]

HagarIshay wrote...

Actually it doesn't make sense either way. Why didn't the reapers try to indoc better if they actually wanted to indoctrinate Shepard?

Maybe they were trying their hardest, Shepard is 'incredibly strong-willed' as Liara states in her own words in ME1.
Maybe the Reapers first chance to actually indoctrinate Shepard were when s/he was unconscious after Harbys laser. Though that doesn't necessarily mean it was the first time they tried, eg: object Rho, the kid on earth, the dreams and even the Reaper code going crazy while Shepard was in the consensus.

Why didn't the reapers try and kill Shepard if they didn't want Shepard indoc?

The Reapers see themselves as all knowing and all powerful, deities basically. So it would be safe to assume that their satisfaction in killing organics doesn't lie in destroying them in the physical sense, but the mental sense too. By indoctrinating Shepard they are striking a massive blow to the galaxies morale...
"We've indoctrinated the best of what you have, you're doomed" kind of thing.

No sense either way

Make more sense now?

[Ageless Face]

SauliusL wrote...


What would you mean by 'try to indoc better" ? What is better? Faster? Stronger? With the help of artifacts?
These are things you should be asking the writers. Fans could only speculate.

I'm saying that if the reapers TRULY wanted to indoctrinate Shepard, they had better ways to do so. They didn't do it. So either the reapers are incredibly stupid and didn't thought about other plans than the weakest, or they didn't want to indoctrinate Shepard at all.

[jijeebo]

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I thought there were only 3 dream sequences?

I'm going to try looking this up, shame my googling skills suck.

Oh, your right ..It is 3......They still happen after you face the reaper and there forces though.

According to Mr House (thank you btw ), only one of the dreams has to happen after a reaper mission.

- You visit the council after Priority: Mars, which is a Cerberus mission
- Tuchanka is the reaper mission
- You can do scanning/fetch quests or other side missions last before the Cerberus Base iirc, which means it could've been quite a while since your last mission involving reaper forces


I'm still a firm believer that the dreams are infact just dreams, soz.

[Jadebaby]

D24O wrote...

Do mine eyes deceive me, or has has this thread turned into an IT support thread?

I'm only here to provide answers to people's questions concerning IT. Few actually go into the Mark II thread to be educated anymore, for reasons I don't understand.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Codex - than it's rapid indoctrination, and will turn you to husk.

Very well, then I concede that point. If the reapers wanted to indoctrinate Shepard through the dreams.

But my point still stands: Why didn't the reapers try to kidnap Shepard?

because they want him indoctrinated. that how the reapers work.

trun a powerfull leader to your side. subtly.  

they do this again and again. never do they kidnap powerfull leaders. they indoctrinat them.

[dreman9999]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...

Codex - than it's rapid indoctrination, and will turn you to husk.

Very well, then I concede that point. If the reapers wanted to indoctrinate Shepard through the dreams.

But my point still stands: Why didn't the reapers try to kidnap Shepard?

They did try. That was ME2.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Oh this jackwagon agian...
Isn't this the same freak who started that thread about how having sex with aliens in immoral, wrong and you'll go to hell or something? You can't even find that thread anymore! Its just GONE.
And now this wackjob is back, trying to start up another **** storm! I can't even tell if he's being an epic troll, or is just being honest. Frankly, the idea of him being honest on this scares me.
What a nutjob.

[llbountyhunter]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


What would you mean by 'try to indoc better" ? What is better? Faster? Stronger? With the help of artifacts?
These are things you should be asking the writers. Fans could only speculate.

I'm saying that if the reapers TRULY wanted to indoctrinate Shepard, they had better ways to do so. They didn't do it. So either the reapers are incredibly stupid and didn't thought about other plans than the weakest, or they didn't want to indoctrinate Shepard at all.

the only faster way is to use rapid indoctrination, and that turns you into a gibering animal... the reapers dont want that.

[SauliusL]

HagarIshay wrote...

SauliusL wrote...


What would you mean by 'try to indoc better" ? What is better? Faster? Stronger? With the help of artifacts?
These are things you should be asking the writers. Fans could only speculate.

I'm saying that if the reapers TRULY wanted to indoctrinate Shepard, they had better ways to do so. They didn't do it. So either the reapers are incredibly stupid and didn't thought about other plans than the weakest, or they didn't want to indoctrinate Shepard at all.

I also think they understood that Shepard is so strong willed that they cannot do it remotely and Harbinger himself had to do it firsthand.
Why Shepard is so resistant that even reapers cannot crack him? I don't know. Maybe because of project Lazarus. Maybe because he is just one of the most special human of the special human race, which reapers are interested so much in. I hope this will be answered in EC.

And about better ways to do it. We just don't know. It's speculation. Maybe they thought that dreams are enough and would crack him - underestimated him. Even super AI may be too arrogant probably

Modifié par SauliusL, 16 juin 2012 - 06:17 .

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 16 juin 2012 - 06:24 .

[llbountyhunter]

jijeebo wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...


I thought there were only 3 dream sequences?

I'm going to try looking this up, shame my googling skills suck.

Oh, your right ..It is 3......They still happen after you face the reaper and there forces though.

According to Mr House (thank you btw ), only one of the dreams has to happen after a reaper mission.

- You visit the council after Priority: Mars, which is a Cerberus mission
- Tuchanka is the reaper mission
- You can do scanning/fetch quests or other side missions last before the Cerberus Base iirc, which means it could've been quite a while since your last mission involving reaper forces


I'm still a firm believer that the dreams are infact just dreams, soz.

I dont think they have to happen after a contact with reaper forces... I think shepards been influenced by the reapers and is chipping away at his resistence throughout thegame. no need for them to happen after reaper missions.