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shodiswe wrote...
FirstBlood XL wrote...
Ok... couldn't read through 30+ pages of arguments... but just in case this hasn't been pointed out in this particular thread:
Indoc being featured in the ending was IN FACT planned, all the way up to basically the original release date. Then BW realized they didn't have the talent/time to pull it off, so they switched to some half-baked BS ending... leaving many HINTS of IT throughout the game.
The entire trilogy is surrounded with the theme of Indoctrination... people using it, along with the hints/facts (most likely) accidentally left in the game are not "stupid". Dare I say, if you can't add 2+2 or draw a line of logic from one point to another, you may be the "stupid" party.
The list of accidental hints is long and has been discussed ad nauseum, so I won't bother getting into it again.
For the record... NO, I do not believe IT theory was what BW meant to be the 'ending' of the final product. But I DO believe (as it is a FACT) that the Indoctrination of Shep was SUPPOSED to play a larger role in the ending, and BW, in a sloppy/talentless attempt to reconfigure the ending, left too many breadcrumbs to really ignore.
TL;DR version: The ending was a botched p.os. Indoc was supposed to featured, was removed at the last minute and many of its hints/signs were accidentally left in, making a p.os. ending an even bigger, steamier, messier p.o.s.
I can't blame people for holding onto the IT Theory as cannon... it takes a completely idiotic, rushed, vague, painfully contrived ending and nearly instantly turns it into a smartly original twist that uses information gathered throughout all three games to turn video game/cinematic conventions on their heads. Unfortunately, I don't think BW has the brains/balls to stick with it, and I wouldn't hold my breath for the EC to 'prove' the IT theory.
You speak as if Bioware has admitted that they changed the ending let during development and as if it is a known fact. Yet no such statments or proofs exist.
The logic used to add 2 and 2 in IT goes against all logical and scientific methods of reconstructiong an event or trying to understands whats hapening. Instead of looking for the theory with the least amount of "assumptions" AKA Occam's razor IT on the other hand is a theory that is built on the idea that the greatest amount of "assumptions" and guess work yields the most interesting and therefor best theory. The more unknown anomalies and assumptions the better.
That is the kind of reasoning that used to drive witchhunts during the darkages and the inquisition.
Non-scientific hogwash created to enthral the audience with lots of "SPACE MAGIC" that way the theory seems more entertaining than the abbysal horror of the more likely theories that requiers less assumptions.
IT is a story that works around a campfire when people are telling ghost stories but it has too many "assumptions" to be the most likely candidate to explain the ending. And as stated by FirstBlood XL "But I DO believe (as it is a FACT)" Beliefs became facts and beliefs are what people who have a problem with IT are asked to disprove. Constucts out of assumptions with next to no basis what so ever. There are no confirmations or sources that tells us that shepard was indeed indoctrinated, and that it was supposed to play a larger role in the game.
There have been no Biware conformations or statements to indicate this. Therefor it's an assumption that was turned into a fact and now proven to be an unknown.
Claiming that people are stupid and unable to use simple logic to add 2 + 2 when youre infact adding (unconfirmed assumption + more unconfirmed assumptions) = truth., lets put it this way, it doesn't help you make your case.
If the IT would have been a scientific essay then it would have been the laughing stock of the scientific world, a good example of psudo science.
It is however a piece of fan fiction that deserves better treatment than that, but some people have grown over zealous and almost religious on the topic and started name calling people for presenting theories or fanfiction that doesn't conform with IT.
IT isn't infallible, it isn't logical and it certainly doesn't follow any scientific model on how to construct a theory to explain an event. IT uses far more assumptions than needed and therefore fails as the one and only truth. It's on par with the Catalysts reasoning which was horrendrous with all it's absolutes.
This is why im comparing it with jehovas witnesses, people may not see themselves as religious but they are justifying their thory, and prolififying it in the same way as Jehoas would.. It's belief and faith not logic and trying to explain and justify the IT as a logical derivative is doomed to failure, simply because beliefs and faith is relabled as FACTS, assumptions, relabeled as FACTS. It's ok to belive in it but stop saying it's the one and only truth and pretend you got a mountain of proof.. you got a mountain of assumptions and they are what's pulling the theory down in the first place.
This is an excellent post.
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