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[KevShep]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

Wow I guess you didnt notice...

-The kid is the SAME EXACT kid in your dreams and you dont seem to care why? Notice to before you say anything that the game does not anwser this for a reason....because its a spoiler to what is really going on.
-Shepards eyes are like TIM's if you pick synthesis or control but not destroy which is what the kid doesnot want you to pick and instead pick control/synthesis.
-The same music you hear in the dream scenes can be heard off an on in the last 10 minutes of the game meaning that it mite be a dream.
-There is a mako in the back ground of the breath scene(hard to see it but its there).
-As anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show a new wound in shepard that was not there before and was infact where anderson was hit. Anderson=Shepards paragon TIM=Shepards renegade!
-At the end it shows TIM begin paragon and Anderson being Renagade...you did not think that was odd?


Those are just a few and if you think that it makes no sense then it is clearly a lack of understanding on your part about what is shown in-game (as in not made up). Or your a troll, any way here is the whole list of indoct IT evidence....   http://parabolee.blo...eories-and.html

Modifié par KevShep, 16 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[Mahrac]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

If you'd look at page two... see it's stuff like this that makes us me call you a troll.

Modifié par Mahrac, 16 juin 2012 - 02:20 .

[Catamantaloedis]

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

Wow I guess you didnt notice...

-The kid is the SAME EXACT kid in your dreams and you dont seem to care why? Notice to before you say anything that the game does not anwser this for a reason....because its a spoiler to what is really going on.
-Shepards eyes are like TIM's if you pick synthesis or control but not destroy which is what the kid doesnot want you to pick and instead pick control/synthesis.
-The same music you hear in the dream scenes can be heard off an on in the last 10 minutes of the game meaning that it mite be a dream.
-There is a mako in the back ground of the breath scene(hard to see it but its there).
-As anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show a new wound in shepard that was not there before and was infact where anderson was hit. Anderson=Shepards paragon TIM=Shepards renegade!
-At the end it shows TIM begin paragon and Anderson being Renagade...you did not think that was odd?


Those are just a few and if you think that it makes no sense then it is clearly a lack of understanding on your part about what is shown in-game (as in not made up). Or your a troll, any way here is the whole list of indoct IT evidence....   http://parabolee.blo...eories-and.html

Quite a list of coincidences, speculations and guesses. None of which point to indoctrination.

[alec1898]

D24O wrote...

wsandista wrote...




None can deny the judgement of Spider-Man.

https://encrypted-tb...u8g2r5mxPJK5prl

Have fun with the warning/ban for posting spidey pics.

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

[D24O]

https://encrypted-tb...ihucibkQbtG05Uo

[alec1898]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

Wait..

Did you come here to discuss/defend IT or to insult the OP?

[Catamantaloedis]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

If anyone is offended by the truth, then I have done well.

[wsandista]

I love having my Shepard romance Tali. The thought of inter-species love is just so great I have to post a pic.


http://t2.gstatic.co..._ehNKwhMJ58Q8vg

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

It just might have to do with your inability to communicate... *cough*

[Mahrac]

wsandista wrote...

I love having my Shepard romance Tali. The thought of inter-species love is just so great I have to post a pic.


http://t2.gstatic.co..._ehNKwhMJ58Q8vg

And this is the point where cameltrolldis accuses you of beastiality.

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

If anyone is offended by the truth, then I have done well.

You mean your opinion on a fictional world?

[Catamantaloedis]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

If anyone is offended by the truth, then I have done well.

You mean your opinion on a fictional world?

Reality contradicts the Indoctrintion Theory. My opinion has nothing to do with it.

[PreciousIsland]

Facemelter91 wrote...

PreciousIsland wrote...

Facemelter91 wrote...

OP is butt hurt about something that doesn't effect him the slightest, still trying to fathom why he even bothered with the idea of posting this. Like I said, not going to change anything.

Not too many forum posts do change anything.  Has a forum post ever changed anything?  Do IT posts change anything?  Probably the OP hates IT the way you hate that really irritating person loudly having a conversation beside you and he just wanted to vent on the forum and hear some other people that thought the same about IT.  Not the most constructive thing ever, but great things rarely have their beginnings on the Bioware forums.

O, I'm well aware most of the posts here don't change a thing, most of them don't objectively try to do that. This one on the other hand does, and does so in an incredibly hostile manner, which all that does is garner hate and flames (which in these "dark" times we could use less of). I honestley wouldnt be here posting if it didnt outright attack and call me stupid for one of the ways I like to think about the ending.

Still, forum posts don't and can't force anyone to do or think anything.  At most they can persuade, no matter what the poster thinks they can do (some posters are pretty delusional).  And while I believe this OP is a troll whether he knows it or not, that's all the more reason not to feed him if you're not persuaded.  
I can and do say that anybody who believes in IT has to be pretty stupid and I give the reasons why I think that.  I know this to be true.  But I don't pretend that posting in a forum can force someone to believe me.  I think ITers probably believe in IT despite their better judgement.  And if someone calls me a fascist, well, that makes no sense.  I never said that we should round up all the ITers and reeducate/exterminate them.  I just said that they really ought not to think the way they do, as it won't profit them and it is bothersome to me, because I would rather that I lived in a society of people as smart as or smarter than me, so that I could be lazy and they could do all the work and take care of me, instead of the other way around.

[Mahrac]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

If anyone is offended by the truth, then I have done well.

You mean your opinion on a fictional world?

Reality contradicts the Indoctrintion Theory. My opinion has nothing to do with it.

Our reality doesn't fully apply to the reality of a fictional world. They are well within the terms of the ending and games to believe the IT, and you have no right to call them delusional.

[ref]

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

And if for whatever reason you're serious, with your obvious intellectual prowess, please make a post explaining/debunking why, or your interpretation on the ending.

I'm not on either side, don't believe the IT, support it, but don't religiously preach it, I'm all for looking at things from the other spectrum.

Modifié par Refara, 16 juin 2012 - 02:31 .

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

This is a shameful. Not a single soul dares to publicly defend his misguided beliefs. Likely because of the internal sense, that primordial feeling, which one experiences when he realizes that he is wrong. It's quite wrenching indeed.

No. Instead, I'm greeted with counter arguments of "troll".

You're called a troll because all of your posts are flame bait.

That either makes you a troll, or someone batsh!t enough to believe the crap you say.

I hope to god it is the former, the latter is just too frightening to even consider for long.

If anyone is offended by the truth, then I have done well.

You mean your opinion on a fictional world?

Reality contradicts the Indoctrintion Theory. My opinion has nothing to do with it.

Reality also contradicts Aliens speaking perfect English and magic space beams that can infuse every organic being with synthetic components.

[Mahrac]

I'll make things easier for you

Mahrac wrote...

I agree with the basis of what your saying, but I disagree with you on a fundamental level, so...
That the ending is 'open to interpretation' means that the IT is a viable theory, and you have no right to call people who believe it delusional. That said, I don't believe it was planned.

Also, you checkmark is upright and strong. I'm guessing you were looking at a horse when you drew this one.

[alec1898]

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

Wow I guess you didnt notice...

-The kid is the SAME EXACT kid in your dreams and you dont seem to care why? Notice to before you say anything that the game does not anwser this for a reason....because its a spoiler to what is really going on.
-Shepards eyes are like TIM's if you pick synthesis or control but not destroy which is what the kid doesnot want you to pick and instead pick control/synthesis.
-The same music you hear in the dream scenes can be heard off an on in the last 10 minutes of the game meaning that it mite be a dream.
-There is a mako in the back ground of the breath scene(hard to see it but its there).
-As anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show a new wound in shepard that was not there before and was infact where anderson was hit. Anderson=Shepards paragon TIM=Shepards renegade!
-At the end it shows TIM begin paragon and Anderson being Renagade...you did not think that was odd?


Those are just a few and if you think that it makes no sense then it is clearly a lack of understanding on your part about what is shown in-game (as in not made up). Or your a troll, any way here is the whole list of indoct IT evidence....   http://parabolee.blo...eories-and.html

- The catalyst wanted to pick a form familiar to shepard maybe, like the geth consensus mission?
- It's because you were kind of partly syntetic like TIM and being disolved can show the synthetic workings in your body. Why is the rest of his body glowing?
- Bioware ran out of time for an original peice, thus ambiance.
- Meaningless, the Alliance still used mako's, just not Shepard.
- How do we know the wound wasn't there, can I get proof that shepards side wasn't bleeding coming up the conduit?
- Bioware is stupid and they think that deus ex endings directly correlate to the same moral values in the Mass Effect franchise.

[Catamantaloedis]

Mahrac wrote...

I'll make things easier for you

Mahrac wrote...

I agree with the basis of what your saying, but I disagree with you on a fundamental level, so...
That the ending is 'open to interpretation' means that the IT is a viable theory, and you have no right to call people who believe it delusional. That said, I don't believe it was planned.

Also, you checkmark is upright and strong. I'm guessing you were looking at a horse when you drew this one.

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 16 juin 2012 - 02:31 .

[Sisterofshane]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT.

And you have provided none.

[alec1898]

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

[Mahrac]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

I'll make things easier for you

Mahrac wrote...

I agree with the basis of what your saying, but I disagree with you on a fundamental level, so...
That the ending is 'open to interpretation' means that the IT is a viable theory, and you have no right to call people who believe it delusional. That said, I don't believe it was planned.

Also, you checkmark is upright and strong. I'm guessing you were looking at a horse when you drew this one.

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT theory.

In game evidence, logic, and reason also provide support for the IT Theory.

Someone else take over please. I hate Devil's Advocate. I'm also not well enough versed in IT to defend it properly

Modifié par Mahrac, 16 juin 2012 - 02:35 .

[llbountyhunter]

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO


I also have a few links in my sig, for my own personal take on IT.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 16 juin 2012 - 02:36 .

[alec1898]

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people.