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[ref]

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

I don't think you read my edited post earlier Anyways, I don't believe in the IT, I don't think it was BioWare's plan, but I support it and like it. So, that's why I'm not defending it because I don't stalwartly believe it

[Taboo]

CRACK THAT WHIP

WHIP IT

WHIP IT GOOD.

[Mahrac]

alec1898 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people.

I'll not debate the OP, without more than a few jabs, since he accused all people who romance non-humans of beastiality. To say nothing of calling EDI and the Geth sub-human (paraphrasing)

Modifié par Mahrac, 16 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[Catamantaloedis]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT.

And you have provided none.

I have across countless topics and countless hours.

Regardless, I have no reason to provide proof. I'm not promoting a nonsensical theory. 

[alec1898]

Refara wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

I don't think you read my edited post earlier Anyways, I don't believe in the IT, I don't think it was BioWare's plan, but I support it and like it. So, that's why I'm not defending it because I don't stalwartly believe it

A bit of a middleman?

Order to the chaos?

No, that was a bad joke.

I feel bad for making it.

[alec1898]

Mahrac wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people.

I'll not debate the OP, without more than a few jabs, since he accused all people who romance non-humans of beastiality. To say nothing of calling EDI and the Geth sub-human (paraphrasing)

And while I may not agree with him on that I will back him up on this IT stuff. We don't need to agree on everything to know that IT is false.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Explain the breath scene then.

[Mahrac]

alec1898 wrote...

Mahrac wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people.

I'll not debate the OP, without more than a few jabs, since he accused all people who romance non-humans of beastiality. To say nothing of calling EDI and the Geth sub-human (paraphrasing)

And while I may not agree with him on that I will back him up on this IT stuff. We don't need to agree on everything to know that IT is false.

They still have the right to believe it, and he has no reason to call them delusional

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT.

And you have provided none.

I have across countless topics and countless hours.

Regardless, I have no reason to provide proof. I'm not promoting a nonsensical theory. 

Generally debunking a theory requires you provide evidence to why it isn't true.

If you have provided proof in the past, then why not do so now?

[Sisterofshane]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

I have across countless topics and countless hours.

Regardless, I have no reason to provide proof. I'm not promoting a nonsensical theory. 

And yet, if you want to sway others like you so wish in your OP, you need to bring up so called evidence to the table.  Otherwise your unique perspective remains just that - perspective.

[Ghost]

Didn't you do that thread of Tali being in more sm's than Shep?

[Mahrac]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Didn't you do that thread of Tali being in more sm's than Shep?

good times... good times.

Oh. or the one that contradicts this one: A Corellary to the IT: Cerberus is not Indoctrinated

Modifié par Mahrac, 16 juin 2012 - 02:44 .

[Catamantaloedis]

wsandista wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

In game evidence, logic, and reason, are the only tools necessary to see the folly of the IT.

And you have provided none.

I have across countless topics and countless hours.

Regardless, I have no reason to provide proof. I'm not promoting a nonsensical theory. 

Generally debunking a theory requires you provide evidence to why it isn't true.

If you have provided proof in the past, then why not do so now?

When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

[PreciousIsland]

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO


I also have a few links in my sig, for my own personal take on IT.

"When I found the so-called "Indoctrination Theory" I was utterly convinced it was Bioware's intent. The only other option seemed to be that after 100's of hours of brilliant writing and a history of great storytelling Bioware managed to screw up the ending so bad that it made very little sense."

This is from a paragraph on the page you linked.  The rest of ME3 had many problems, too.  I would hardly call whoever wrote it brilliant (though I liked the universe that it was set in better than other big space franchises like star wars or star trek or those other ones on the sci-fi network pretty much not worth naming).  ME as a whole was good, not brilliant (which is brilliant by video game standards).  Why can't you just accept that the thing was written poorly?  Also, IT WOULD BE AN EVEN DUMBER ENDING THAN THE PRESENT ENDING, ESPECIALLY NOW.  I know you believe it because you don't want to believe that Bioware wrote something bad, but what is most ridiculous is that your solution does't even fix that problem.

[covertdrizzt]

To OP: it might be a delusion but weak minded it isn't. It takes a pretty good imagination to make sense out of that ending.

[MegaSovereign]

I'm no IT believer myself.

But it's really not smart to take solid stances on this when you could very well be wrong. If IT is true then you will look like a fool.

[llbountyhunter]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

[Sisterofshane]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

Well, then you must not believe in evolution either, which is based entirely upon conjecture.

There is a reason that it is called a "theory".

[Ghost]

Mahrac wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Didn't you do that thread of Tali being in more sm's than Shep?

good times... good times.

Oh. or the one that contradicts this one: A Corellary to the IT: Cerberus is not Indoctrinated

lol 

[KevShep]

alec1898 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

Wow I guess you didnt notice...

-The kid is the SAME EXACT kid in your dreams and you dont seem to care why? Notice to before you say anything that the game does not anwser this for a reason....because its a spoiler to what is really going on.
-Shepards eyes are like TIM's if you pick synthesis or control but not destroy which is what the kid doesnot want you to pick and instead pick control/synthesis.
-The same music you hear in the dream scenes can be heard off an on in the last 10 minutes of the game meaning that it mite be a dream.
-There is a mako in the back ground of the breath scene(hard to see it but its there).
-As anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show a new wound in shepard that was not there before and was infact where anderson was hit. Anderson=Shepards paragon TIM=Shepards renegade!
-At the end it shows TIM begin paragon and Anderson being Renagade...you did not think that was odd?


Those are just a few and if you think that it makes no sense then it is clearly a lack of understanding on your part about what is shown in-game (as in not made up). Or your a troll, any way here is the whole list of indoct IT evidence....   http://parabolee.blo...eories-and.html

- The catalyst wanted to pick a form familiar to shepard maybe, like the geth consensus mission?
- It's because you were kind of partly syntetic like TIM and being disolved can show the synthetic workings in your body. Why is the rest of his body glowing?
- Bioware ran out of time for an original peice, thus ambiance.
- Meaningless, the Alliance still used mako's, just not Shepard.
- How do we know the wound wasn't there, can I get proof that shepards side wasn't bleeding coming up the conduit?
- Bioware is stupid and they think that deus ex endings directly correlate to the same moral values in the Mass Effect franchise.

-Like I said the game MAKES IT A POINT to...NOT...tell you why the kid is like that and why shep does not ask.

-TIM's eyes are NOT like that because of synthetics. There are lots of people with synthetics and they dont have those eyes. Infact Shep gets them throught the crucible, are you saying that TIM got his eyes throught the cucible? The game devs are trying to reach out to the player that something is wrong.

-Did you not see the SAME white light when you wake up as you do when you are in your dreams? And then to also hear the same music as you walk to the beam? How can you not see that its a hint that your dreaming when the game has ALREADY been through this?

-It not meaninless...It means that Shepard is still in London!

-You can hear shepard grunt in pain as Anderson is hit by shepards gun(its true go back and hear it)! Also the game MAKES IT A POINT to show you the new wound JUST as Anderson dies!

-Your avoiding the question...Why does it have the paragon and renagade swiched?


Your not making any sense...All of your answers are WAY over here or Way over there but if you look closely you see that all of the above is tied into one answer....indoctrination attempt.

[UrgentArchengel]

Can I ask a simple question?

Catamantalodis, why is it such a big f***ing deal. How does IT affect you personally so bad, that you must feel obligated to make yourself out to be better or rather superior to anyone who have even a ounce of faith that IT is a possibility? Seriously, I just don't understand. Nobody is stupid.

People are not stupid for having a different opinion, screw off you any of you think otherwise. Your just sounding like bigoted pricks. Everyone has an opinion, and you can't change that, nor is it right to downgrade, and act deviantly disrespectful otherwise. Hate IT all you want. But either shove you attitudes back up where they belong or find something more meaningful to do. Your degrading your own intellegence by acting like children. There are alot of good people that speculate in the IT thread, not so much anywhere else.

[alec1898]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

It can be chalked down to bad writing, which this game is famous for. There are too many things left unexplained.

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...


When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

Provide clear examples of logical fallacies and/or faulty evidence.

[llbountyhunter]

PreciousIsland wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO


I also have a few links in my sig, for my own personal take on IT.

"When I found the so-called "Indoctrination Theory" I was utterly convinced it was Bioware's intent. The only other option seemed to be that after 100's of hours of brilliant writing and a history of great storytelling Bioware managed to screw up the ending so bad that it made very little sense."

This is from a paragraph on the page you linked.  The rest of ME3 had many problems, too.  I would hardly call whoever wrote it brilliant (though I liked the universe that it was set in better than other big space franchises like star wars or star trek or those other ones on the sci-fi network pretty much not worth naming).  ME as a whole was good, not brilliant (which is brilliant by video game standards).  Why can't you just accept that the thing was written poorly?  Also, IT WOULD BE AN EVEN DUMBER ENDING THAN THE PRESENT ENDING, ESPECIALLY NOW.  I know you believe it because you don't want to believe that Bioware wrote something bad, but what is most ridiculous is that your solution does't even fix that problem.

your opinion.


im ok with bioware writing something bad. it just that I feel more stuff points to IT than bad writing.... thats all.

[ref]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

It very well could be an easter egg, I think BioWare knew people would absolutely freak out if Shepard died no matter what so they could have just added that in, or it could be just bad writing, or it could be IT. I love not being sold on any of the theories, it makes waiting for the EC even more exciting.