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[KevShep]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

Thats a mako in the back ground...

[llbountyhunter]

alec1898 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

It can be chalked down to bad writing, which this game is famous for. There are too many things left unexplained.

well yeah... OR (possibly it didnt happen) either explination is valid until bioware says something.... damn you bioware..... <_<

[Mahrac]

Someone bring me...



A HORSE!

[Catamantaloedis]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

So the best alternative is to denial that everything that happened for the last 20 minutes of the game was real, except if you meet very specific criteria and pick one out of three choices? An alternative which suggests that Bioware shipped Mass Effect literally without an ending, which presumably they would charge for later?

[Catamantaloedis]

KevShep wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

Thats a mako in the back ground...

Wow! Bioware decided to reuse old models for generic wreckage!

Surely, Shepard must be indoctrinated.

[llbountyhunter]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Explain the breath scene then.

how does shepards survive this? I personally dont see any other logical solution other than IT.... could be wrong though...

 

So the best alternative is to denial that everything that happened for the last 20 minutes of the game was real, except if you meet very specific criteria and pick one out of three choices? An alternative which suggests that Bioware shipped Mass Effect literally without an ending, which presumably they would charge for later?

not denial... alot of the evidence just seems to point to it thats all.

also take a look at this thread I made.
http://social.biowar...ndex/12547432/1 


just trying to help out...

[Darth_Trethon]

alec1898 wrote... 

llbountyhunter wrote... 

alec1898 wrote... 

Refara wrote...
1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people. 

No matter what you may think of the IT, the OP of this thread is plain and simply trolling. He never makes anything but hate threads on whatever he thinks will get him flamed the most.....Krogan hate, EDI hate, pro-Cerberus etc. And he really takes the most offensive approach against whatever is poppular with the classic "Problem?" troll face. If all but a handful hated the IT he'd be singing it praise because that's not what he wants...he just wants to ****** people off.

[PreciousIsland]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Can I ask a simple question?

Catamantalodis, why is it such a big f***ing deal. How does IT affect you personally so bad, that you must feel obligated to make yourself out to be better or rather superior to anyone who have even a ounce of faith that IT is a possibility? Seriously, I just don't understand. Nobody is stupid.

People are not stupid for having a different opinion, screw off you any of you think otherwise. Your just sounding like bigoted pricks. Everyone has an opinion, and you can't change that, nor is it right to downgrade, and act deviantly disrespectful otherwise. Hate IT all you want. But either shove you attitudes back up where they belong or find something more meaningful to do. Your degrading your own intellegence by acting like children. There are alot of good people that speculate in the IT thread, not so much anywhere else.

In the world I come from there are stupid people.  People's opinions are mostly stupid.  I am pretty stupid myself.  Less so than others, though.  Opinions aren't sacred.  No philosopher in history has ever claimed that.  I don't know where people got this idea that opinions should be respected regardless of content.

Opinions that are stupid deserve no respect.  People don't really deserve any, either, but there's no need to be cruel to anyone that I can see.  Just because you tell someone that something they think is stupid does not mean that you hate them.  I'm sure no one is defined by their belief in IT alone.  Although, I imagine there is a high degree of correlation between believing in IT and being a total loser.

[FellishBeast]

Don't feed the troll.

If he's not trolling, he's still not worth your time.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

Well, then you must not believe in evolution either, which is based entirely upon conjecture.

There is a reason that it is called a "theory".

Evolution can be seen and verified. 

Theory:
(sciences) A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed; a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc 

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

Modifié par Catamantaloedis, 16 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[BatmanTurian]

alec1898 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

Refara wrote...

1/10
Made me laugh, OP.

The first of the banners who won't try to back up their IT and instead insult the OP!


At least Kev is trying to back up IT, damn.

Mass Effect Indoctrination

heres most of the evidence. not conclusive, but pretty convincing... IMO

Thanks, I'll read and maybe debate you on it later.

You I like, someone who tries to back up their own belifs instead of baselessly instulting people.

To be fair, why should we debate people who insult us right from the start? There can be no constructive dialog if disrespect is all one will receive. Therefore, it is a waste of time.
This thread is just a big " I hate IT and IT'ers " tantrum and a whole bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon. It's not worth our time. This is all I'll say on the matter.

[llbountyhunter]

 another fun photo.... bioware sure seemed to ramp up the re-use of assets in the last five minutes right?


 

[Taboo]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

THANK YOU.

IT WAS NEVER A THEORY.

NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE AGREES.

[wsandista]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

WTF? If it isn't a theory, then you should probably refer to it as an "idea" or "hypothesis".

[Catamantaloedis]

llbountyhunter wrote...

 another fun photo.... bioware sure seemed to ramp up the re-use of assets in the last five minutes right?


 

Explain how that points to Indoctrination and not laziness.

[PreciousIsland]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

THANK YOU.

IT WAS NEVER A THEORY.

NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE AGREES.

This.

[noobcannon]

theres no point in arguing with this guy. if IT rolls out in EC he'll just say it was bioware giving into fans demands. dont feed this troll.

Modifié par noobcannon, 16 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[llbountyhunter]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 another fun photo.... bioware sure seemed to ramp up the re-use of assets in the last five minutes right?


 

Explain how that points to Indoctrination and not laziness.

well, at this point its either very carefully constructed lazyness that seems to apparently point in one direction... or IT.

[KevShep]

llbountyhunter wrote...

 another fun photo.... bioware sure seemed to ramp up the re-use of assets in the last five minutes right?


 

Not really, in the pick that I posted you can see the underbelly of a mako that is clear to be an actuall mako as for the things that look like tire of a mako on the citadel,  if you look for a second there nothing like the mako tires.

Modifié par KevShep, 16 juin 2012 - 02:58 .

[Sisterofshane]

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

Well, then you must not believe in evolution either, which is based entirely upon conjecture.

There is a reason that it is called a "theory".

Evolution has plenty of can be seen and verified behind it. 

Theory:(sciences) A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed; a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc 

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

Based upon the first part of your definition, yes it is.  It is just as verifiable as the theory of Evolution (unless you witnessed evolution first hand).

The series of events in the ending can be explained by the fact that Shepard was in the process of indoctrination.  That is the indoctrination theory.

And the hypothesis will either be confirmed or denied in the upcoming EC.  If it is denied, it will cease to be a theory.

[Catamantaloedis]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

 another fun photo.... bioware sure seemed to ramp up the re-use of assets in the last five minutes right?


 

Explain how that points to Indoctrination and not laziness.

well, at this point its either very carefully constructed lazyness that seems to apparently point in one direction... or IT.

Even if the IT were true (it is not), how does a blown up Mako suggest Shepard's indoctrination in anyway whatsoever?

[llbountyhunter]

PreciousIsland wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

THANK YOU.

IT WAS NEVER A THEORY.

NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE AGREES.

This.

the dictionary seems to disagree....

theory:
A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"

A set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based: "a theory of education"; "music theory".





but, what does thedictionary know, right?

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 16 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[Darth_Trethon]

PreciousIsland wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

THANK YOU.

IT WAS NEVER A THEORY.

NICE TO SEE SOMEONE ELSE AGREES.

This.

QFT....nice to see reason prevailing.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 16 juin 2012 - 03:01 .

[alec1898]

KevShep wrote...

alec1898 wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

 The most pathetically astonishing contribution that this community has granted to the Internet is one of the most detestable gathering of unrelated ideas, speculations, non sequiturs, fallacies, optimistic guesses, and genuine idiocies ever assembled among humankind. It is the most vile, repugant denial of apparent truth, being, of course, the ending of the Mass Effect series, which is (quite apparently) meant to be taken at a literal, face value. Therefore I ask, I demand, that each person reevaluate his interpretation of the ending. Do so long, and hard. Finally, realize the delusion of your ways and the fallacy of the Indoctrination Delusion and reject is as it is and as it always has been--the fan fiction of a mentally disturbed 10 year old child which has reached the very levels of religion. It is delusion. It is a lie.

Wow I guess you didnt notice...

-The kid is the SAME EXACT kid in your dreams and you dont seem to care why? Notice to before you say anything that the game does not anwser this for a reason....because its a spoiler to what is really going on.
-Shepards eyes are like TIM's if you pick synthesis or control but not destroy which is what the kid doesnot want you to pick and instead pick control/synthesis.
-The same music you hear in the dream scenes can be heard off an on in the last 10 minutes of the game meaning that it mite be a dream.
-There is a mako in the back ground of the breath scene(hard to see it but its there).
-As anderson dies the camera makes it a point to show a new wound in shepard that was not there before and was infact where anderson was hit. Anderson=Shepards paragon TIM=Shepards renegade!
-At the end it shows TIM begin paragon and Anderson being Renagade...you did not think that was odd?


Those are just a few and if you think that it makes no sense then it is clearly a lack of understanding on your part about what is shown in-game (as in not made up). Or your a troll, any way here is the whole list of indoct IT evidence....   http://parabolee.blo...eories-and.html

- The catalyst wanted to pick a form familiar to shepard maybe, like the geth consensus mission?
- It's because you were kind of partly syntetic like TIM and being disolved can show the synthetic workings in your body. Why is the rest of his body glowing?
- Bioware ran out of time for an original peice, thus ambiance.
- Meaningless, the Alliance still used mako's, just not Shepard.
- How do we know the wound wasn't there, can I get proof that shepards side wasn't bleeding coming up the conduit?
- Bioware is stupid and they think that deus ex endings directly correlate to the same moral values in the Mass Effect franchise.

-Like I said the game MAKES IT A POINT to...NOT...tell you why the kid is like that and why shep does not ask.

-TIM's eyes are NOT like that because of synthetics. There are lots of people with synthetics and they dont have those eyes. Infact Shep gets them throught the crucible, are you saying that TIM got his eyes throught the cucible? The game devs are trying to reach out to the player that something is wrong.

-Did you not see the SAME white light when you wake up as you do when you are in your dreams? And then to also hear the same music as you walk to the beam? How can you not see that its a hint that your dreaming when the game has ALREADY been through this?

-It not meaninless...It means that Shepard is still in London!

-You can hear shepard grunt in pain as Anderson is hit by shepards gun(its true go back and hear it)! Also the game MAKES IT A POINT to show you the new wound JUST as Anderson dies!

-Your avoiding the question...Why does it have the paragon and renagade swiched?


Your not making any sense...All of your answers are WAY over here or Way over there but if you look closely you see that all of the above is tied into one answer....indoctrination attempt.

- It doesn't make a point to not tell you because the devs themselves said they wanted to keep the conversation simple and not give a lot of details to Shepard. They said something about keeping it basic, or not giving you the higher ups to keep the catalyst mysterious, or something like that. As soon as I find the link I will edit this post and show you.

- It's highly possible that TIM modified himself with reaper tech and did the same with Shepard. Moot, I guess, I will say that there really isn't much more I can back it up with.

- The white light could be a simple transition due to lack of resources, as it's highly apparent that there were many things reused from previous games or outright stolen.

- I don't get why showing that Shepard is still in London matters. Shepard was always in London, XD.

- Shepard could easilly be grunting out of sadness for essentially shooting his best friend, thus the sad head shake in the next cut to him. Why does he not continue grunting in pain after being shot, most people generally do.

- Para and Rene are switched because in Deus Ex the bad ending was to destroy all tech (Destroy), the good ending was to rule the Illuminati (Control) and the best was to merge with Helios (Synthesis). These are what some devs have said to be their favorite endings.

[Catamantaloedis]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Catamantaloedis wrote...

When the theory has no evidence for it in the first place, and is completely based on speculation, there is no need for evidence to be presented. It is dismissed as untrue. 

However, some ITers falsely believe that evidence for their theory exists. And when they present that, I am glad to shoot it down.

Well, then you must not believe in evolution either, which is based entirely upon conjecture.

There is a reason that it is called a "theory".

Evolution has plenty of can be seen and verified behind it. 

Theory:(sciences) A coherent statement or set of ideas that explains observed facts or phenomena, or which sets out the laws and principles of something known or observed; a hypothesis confirmed by observation, experiment etc 

The Indoctrination Theory is not a theory.

Based upon the first part of your definition, yes it is.  It is just as verifiable as the theory of Evolution (unless you witnessed evolution first hand).

The series of events in the ending can be explained by the fact that Shepard was in the process of indoctrination.  That is the indoctrination theory.

And the hypothesis will either be confirmed or denied in the upcoming EC.  If it is denied, it will cease to be a theory.

Except that Shepard being indoctrinated is not a verified fact, so your argument already starts with a false assumption.

Life changing over time is a verifiable fact, and the theory of evolution explains this fact.