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[Seifer006]

@OP

what a joke. This is thread is pointless....
The reload cancelling is for skilled players. That's why it was introduced in ME2 ie the Claymore.
In ME3 each weapon has it's "own reload cancelling" why take away the fun for players who took the time to learn the game mechanics.

[Pitznik]

Sdrol117 wrote...

This is awesome.

All the hate and flaming and butthurt responses. 13 pages worth. Such a win.

So now you're not an ignorant whiner, but a troll? "GUSY I AM WIN I WAS STUPID ON PURPOSE!". No.

[Razhathael]

I don't use the "feature", mostly because I know it'd be an annoying habit for me. Haven't been left behind just because I don't do it.

But I don't understand how people are getting so upset about this. Yes, the reason OP gave was pretty weak, but I see a lot of people on the thread straight out raging about even mentioning the idea.

Don't worry, it will propably never be removed since the fans appereantly care for it
But it's fine I guess, I don't judge anyone using it. But what's with people saying anyone who doesn't use it isn't good enough to use it? It's no more challenging than dodging.

Modifié par Razhathael, 19 juin 2012 - 05:18 .

[Mojenator12345]

I don't really care one way or another about reload cancel. But the game is so optimized towards reload-cancelling infiltrators right now, it can be a little frustrating if that's not the style you like to play.

[Someone With Mass]

If a Banshee or Prime is getting near me and I'm using a heavy weapon with a slow reload time, you better believe that I'll use the reload cancel.

If you don't like it, then don't use it and let those who do like to use it do whatever they please.

[tMc Tallgeese]

 Not even sure if I'm doing it. Will I get banned? 

[budzai]

Seifer006 wrote...

The reload cancelling is for skilled players.

hahahahahahehehahahhahoooo

Modifié par budzai, 19 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[78stonewobble]

Hopefully they will add the another skill feature that has you tapping 2 buttons to move really fast if you want to run. However if you do it out of rythm you trip and fall.

That way really fast and skilled players get to run and people who arent skilled can only walk and be laughed at.



Ok its there and thats ok but I fo shure thought it was a bug since... well it's rather undocumented and...you know... doesn't consists of long/short animation but standard animation and a cancel.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 19 juin 2012 - 10:01 .

[Asebstos]

While I have nothing against reload canceling, I do feel that active reloads (best known from the GoW series, but present in other games) are a superior mechanic and I find it strange that it isn't implemented in more games.

It is kind of stupid that its easier to do on PCs than on consoles, but whatever.

[xxHiDa SuFixx]

tMc Tallgeese wrote...

 Not even sure if I'm doing it. Will I get banned? 

This is not a glitch ... it was intentionally put there.

Christina Norman wrote...

The reload trick is by design. It isn't a glitch. I know because I put it in on purpose!

 

Christina Norman wrote...

I tuned the reload trick for consoles, if it is significantly easier to do on PC that was not intentional (but I wouldn't patch that away). What makes it significantly easier on PC so I can try to replicate it and tune them separately for ME3?

It's a function that is "tuned"  by the programmers to function the way it does.

Why would they do this? Why would they put in something so OP?

Christina Norman wrote...

The reload trick is an example of canceling animations. This is a pretty common technique though it is primarily used in fighting games:

If you don't like the reload trick, by all means don't use it!  It is supposed to reward coordination and timing.

They put it in there to REWARD coordination and timing ... oh its too easy for you?  Well congrats on having good coordination and timing ... it was the developers INTENTION to reward you.

78stonewobble wrote...

Ok its there and thats ok but I fo shure thought it was a bug since... well it's rather undocumented

The developer (Christina) who put in the reload cancel also explains why they choose not to document it ... not saying I agree with them not documenting it but it's their decision.  When I used to play fighting games I don't remember them alway documenting that you could also animation cancel to do combos.

Christina Norman wrote...
About the reload trick and documentation.

99% of players will have no interest in the reload trick, it's a very advanced feature, that is only useful with certain playstyles and weapons. It doesn't make sense to present that information to all users in documentation. Documentation is generally for core gameplay concepts that you need to understand to play the game.

I purposefully mentioned this trick on the forums because I did want players to be aware of it and evidently it worked (everyone here at least seems aware of it). In my view the forums are a great way to distribute gameplay information that it doesn't make sense to include in the game.

Read more about it in this year old thread
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/261/index/4840984/5#4854994 

Modifié par xxHiDa SuFixx, 19 juin 2012 - 10:18 .

[Edalborez]

Asebstos wrote...

While I have nothing against reload canceling, I do feel that active reloads (best known from the GoW series, but present in other games) are a superior mechanic and I find it strange that it isn't implemented in more games.

It is kind of stupid that its easier to do on PCs than on consoles, but whatever.

Sorry, but the only thing I see different about active reloads is that there's a progress bar, stimulating that part of the brain that says "Ooh, something moved. I did something!"

It is, in essence, the same thing.

[Yosuke]

I don't know how this thread has four stars.

[78stonewobble]

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

They put it in there to REWARD coordination and timing ... oh its too easy for you?  Well congrats on having good coordination and timing ... it was the developers INTENTION to reward you.

Yeah I get that but you use coordination and timing constantly in the game. Dodging, covering, zooming, aiming and so on. If you are good at that you are rewarded with dying less and killing more.

To me it just seems like an unnecessary complication of the basic gameplay (and the gun balancing).

I don't enjoy it anymore than I would enjoy eg. having to speed tapping a and d for sprinting (and correctly if I dont want to trip) or only being able to dodge via the correct mouse gesture.

Then again we all have different tastes .

[xis3]

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

"it don't take skill" ... yet you can "miss, leading to death"?

Ho my, didnt saw this one.

I'm not a machine, am i ?
Easy to learn and use, not so easy to master it at 0.1 secs

get swarm by enemies, lag, battlefield sense, different weapons,
if you want to use it the moment you can , sometime you just do it like 0.1-0.3 sec to soon, and CAN lead to death yes (cause im cocky and not in cover).

[joker_jack]

This thread needs an abrams smash quick

[rtizz6446]

For all who think that reload cancelling was put there for a reason you are extremely naive. It's obvious that the reason they say it was intentional is because it would be very hard to fix the issue. The simplest way for them to mitigate this problem was to call this mistake intentional. Plain and simple. A lot of companies use this same tactic when a mistake ends up being favorable in the eyes of the consumer.

[Master Xanthan]

Sdrol117 wrote...

 

LOL my friend made this in regards to this thread, but he couldn't post it due to not having an account. 

So you're a troll, well who cares, all you did was waste your time and everyone else's. Maybe you should post something constructive. 

[xxHiDa SuFixx]

78stonewobble wrote...

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

They put it in there to REWARD coordination and timing ... oh its too easy for you?  Well congrats on having good coordination and timing ... it was the developers INTENTION to reward you.

Yeah I get that but you use coordination and timing constantly in the game. Dodging, covering, zooming, aiming and so on. If you are good at that you are rewarded with dying less and killing more.

To me it just seems like an unnecessary complication of the basic gameplay (and the gun balancing).

I don't enjoy it anymore than I would enjoy eg. having to speed tapping a and d for sprinting (and correctly if I dont want to trip) or only being able to dodge via the correct mouse gesture.

Then again we all have different tastes .

Not liking it is one thing ... the developer even said "If you don't like the reload trick, by all means don't use it!"

But calling it a glitch when it isn't and asking for it to be removed because you don't like it ... well that's just silly.
Some people really like using it and are glad that its there.  One forum poster described how he liked the rhythm that can come from reload canceling.  You don't have to do it to succeed, and other people doing it doesn't detract from your game or from your success.

I keep replying and reposting in this thread because I'd like people who don't know to see the truth ...
It's a feature that was purposely included and even tuned by the developer to reward gamers with coordination and timing.  Animation cancels have been a part of many games, and has been here since ME2.

[VVereVVulf]

Reload cancelling makes the gameplay a lot smoother.
Removing it would punish people who use real guns.

[Rolenka]

It's an exploit that they called a feature because fixing bugs doesn't make them any money in the short term.

But yes, I wish they would reconsider. And I use the glitch all the time unintentionally by sprinting.

They can rebalance the actual loading times if they feel they are too long.

Modifié par Rolenka, 19 juin 2012 - 11:14 .

[xxHiDa SuFixx]

rtizz6446 wrote...

For all who think that reload cancelling was put there for a reason you are extremely naive. It's obvious that the reason they say it was intentional is because it would be very hard to fix the issue. The simplest way for them to mitigate this problem was to call this mistake intentional. Plain and simple. A lot of companies use this same tactic when a mistake ends up being favorable in the eyes of the consumer.

Rolenka wrote...
It's an exploit that they called a feature because fixing bugs doesn't make them any money in the short term.

But yes, I wish they would reconsider. And I use the glitch all the time unintentionally by sprinting.

These are the kind of posts that confuse me ... for two pages I've been quoting the developer ... talking about how they added it in for ME2, tuned it, and was also looking at how to tune it better for ME3.  This was not some mistake they accidently made.

Please read before spreading your misinformation.

Modifié par xxHiDa SuFixx, 19 juin 2012 - 11:15 .

[brian_breed]

Sdrol117 wrote...
And while it may be a "game mechanic" it's honestly stupid. Either implement gears of war style reloading, or get rid of it and force full time reloading, and tweak reload times. 

I'm a fan of that idea, actually.

[Humming]

I wish trolls didn't get 14 pages.
I added a post count to the thread just to say that. I realize that it makes me part of the problem. Do not bother to point that out and add another post.

[Rolenka]

They intended an animation trick for advanced users yet stuck us with a single button to sprint/take cover/revive/activate/teabag.

Right.