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[astheoceansblue]

CoddyXD wrote...

Agreed 100%

Its oooo Arc Grenades cool now I just need Overload....nope...well at least I got a turret....oh wait.....

You do realise Incinerate sets of Tech Bursts with Arc nades, right? And that this combination can wipe out entire spawn points when timed well, right? And that if you time it really well you can set off Fire Explosions which are the most powerful detonation I'm the game... right?

Male Quarian Engineer is not only one of the best new characters, but one of the best AOE characters I. the game.

You're missing out if you think otherwise.

For me, the Voucher soldier I guess. Just because the Sentinel gets nades over Carnage, which means you can set him up to not give a damn about CD.

I also think Cerberus Vanguard makes their adept a little obsolete. Singularity can be used well, no doubt, but for me Charge gives the other powers better flow.

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 16 juin 2012 - 02:57 .

[DayusMakhina]

astheoceansblue wrote...

CoddyXD wrote...

Agreed 100%

Its oooo Arc Grenades cool now I just need Overload....nope...well at least I got a turret....oh wait.....

You do realise Incinerate sets of Tech Bursts with Arc nades, right? And that this combination can wipe out entire spawn points when timed well, right? And that if you time it really well you can set off Fire Explosions which are the most powerful detonation I'm the game... right?

Male Quarian Engineer is not only one of the best new characters, but one of the best AOE characters I. the game.

You're missing out if you think otherwise.

For me, the Voucher soldier I guess. Just because the Sentinel gets nades over Carnage, which means hiya can set him up to not give a damn about CD.

I also think Cerberus Vanguard makes their adept a little obsolete. Singularity can be used well, no doubt, but for me Charge gives the other powers better flow.

Pretty much everything he said ^.

I just don't see the point in using the Vorcha Soldier at all.

[deadpixel92]

Worst? phoenix adept, people saying MQE is bad don't know what they're talking about, also best new character is Vorcha sentinel so if someone thinks otherwise please enlighten me.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

I've seen hunting-packs of Ex-Cerberus chars accomplish acts of utter hilarity on Firebase Glacier.

[vware]

Phoenix adept

[Biotic_Warlock]

They all bad... each pair is almost not any different to each other >_<

It's a form of space twincest. <_<

Modifié par Biotic_Warlock, 16 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[RedSteel23]

Worst from both has to be the Phoenix Vanguard and Batarian Sentinel. Talking from a Gold standard, both are fairly terrible. I like Vanguard characters, even Drell. They can provide such a fun challenge on Gold and personally, I love it. But the new Vanguard has a burden of no invincibility frames, which means you need to rely on a weapon to stagger and...to do that, you need to sacrifice cool downs which make charge extremely situational. No matter how you look at it, the class can obviously work on Gold, just not very well. Same with the Batarian, though at least you can make him at least somewhat useful in a Gold match if you had to. I have done Gold just fine with him before.

[tallinn]

I don't get it that many people here claim the Phoenix chars to be "worst". In which way? May it be for the reason that one needs some time to figure out how to play them? That was my experience. When I tried the PV or the PA first, I died a lot and scored lousy. But as the Phoenix chars have so "sexy" animations I sticked with them, tried several builds and loadouts, and was eventually able to break the 100k barrier with them on gold even before the smash buff. Now with the smash buff the PA has become my new favourite character.

The QME still waits for me to get the clue. I heard about using arc grenades and incinerate for getting kill streaks but for some obscure reason I fail this any time I try it. And I have a problem with any grenade carrying character: grenades are a sparse ressource in the match. However, as a PA I love having a team mate with tactical scan in the team, for obvious reasons. They are my best friends.

The Kroguard has been named here as well. I don't get that either. Of all vanguards he is the most viable on Gold, give him a Reegar and he is an unstoppable killer.

I think that every class has its merits and advantages and strength, there is no really a bad class.

[Liber320]

sclera wrote...

Both of the Cerberus characters are just dumb.

Or you just don't know how to play them

[121andrew]

I don't really like the Vorcha classes.
Maybe it's because I've never played a Soldier/Sentinel though.

[Arppis]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Phoenix Adept followed by the Vanguard. Slam needs invincibility frames like Nova to be really useful and Singularity is just awful compared to Biotic Charge.

What really bothers me about Slam is the fact that it doesn't hit many targets, just 1 or 2. If it would hit loads of mobs in front of you, it actualy would be really good. And the ability is very sittulational anyhows. But it needs more range or faster animation, or hitting loads of mobs atm.

You can btw use the heavy melee, because you have damage reduction and it's aoe. So I found the class easy to play.

And the Lash is something I wanted for the normal Vanguard (pull pefered). Shockfail just sucks.

Modifié par Arppis, 16 juin 2012 - 02:55 .

[Liber320]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Phoenix Adept followed by the Vanguard. Slam needs invincibility frames like Nova to be really useful and Singularity is just awful compared to Biotic Charge.

You do realise you can slam through walls, right?

And even without that, you can easily set it up with a heavy melee, which staggers, or a lash, which knocks them down and sets you up for a biotic explosion

[Hypertion]

Edalborez wrote...

You're crazy. He's one of the best. Effortless Tech Burst killstreaks.

If we're including Resurgence, Batarian Sentinel. If not, Phoenix Adept.

still has smash and that alone is now such a wrecking force...

simply spec out of singularity untill it gets buffed into being useful on gold and enjoy having a cerberus commando with whips of death

[AdrianC25]

Liber320 wrote...

sclera wrote...

Both of the Cerberus characters are just dumb.

Or you just don't know how to play them

thats a fact. When i first unlocked them i was puzzled with how to play them, then it occured to me to not and play them like they where any other class. once that sunk in things started to change and I now find the PA to be one of my very favorite classes to play. and yes i play on gold .. ALOT.

Lash is great for both setting up and detonating , smash is also great for setting up and detonating AND insane damage. Singularity  again good CC / setting up certain situations (aka anything without armor)

People dont understand the use and value of these abilities espicially Singularity, which in all fairness is situational and has to be talented just right to work worth a damn. but when it does its great. its best comparison is statis bubble which is also its worst comparison.

The PV is also pretty good just isnt played much like a vanguard.

[Dream-Maker]

tallinn wrote...

The QME still waits for me to get the clue. I heard about using arc grenades and incinerate for getting kill streaks but for some obscure reason I fail this any time I try it.

Try taking electric damage as rank 5 evolution on arc grenades instead of grenade capacity. And spec rank 4 incinerate for AOE too.

[Liber320]

AdrianC25 wrote...

Liber320 wrote...

sclera wrote...

Both of the Cerberus characters are just dumb.

Or you just don't know how to play them

thats a fact. When i first unlocked them i was puzzled with how to play them, then it occured to me to not and play them like they where any other class. once that sunk in things started to change and I now find the PA to be one of my very favorite classes to play. and yes i play on gold .. ALOT.

Lash is great for both setting up and detonating , smash is also great for setting up and detonating AND insane damage. Singularity  again good CC / setting up certain situations (aka anything without armor)

People dont understand the use and value of these abilities espicially Singularity, which in all fairness is situational and has to be talented just right to work worth a damn. but when it does its great. its best comparison is statis bubble which is also its worst comparison.

The PV is also pretty good just isnt played much like a vanguard.

Same story for me, except I stuck with the PV (only one I unlocked). I maxed out everything except the Phoenix Training or whatever it's called and put 3 points in Charge (wanted to focus on the new powers) and I play it more or less as a melee class. I usually only take shots at the "boss" enemies, since lash/smash/melee/repeat makes short work of anyone else (except those damn Geth Pyros)

Haven't tried it on Gold yet, but I usually destroy Silver with it

[Edalborez]

The Phoenixes are not so bad as to be unplayable. I don't believe any class is. However they are the "worst" in terms of utility and damage when you compare all of them. It's like saying a B is the worst grade whent he rest are A's.

QMI: Is an Infiltrator, but mostly just a superior version of the Human. Cloak prevents him from being bad, but all he has for extra boost while cloaked is grenades. I feel other Infs (SI, GI) outperform him, but he's "good" by default.
QME: Arc+Incinerate rivals, if not exceeds, what QMI can do in my opinion.

Vorcha: Both have virtually the same options, but Sentinels having an arguably better skill in Cluster lets Soldiers experiment with max Flamer, which is a powerful armor-melter in its own right. Health regen and great dodges.

Phoenix: Smash is powerful, and the range is not too shabby considering its damage, recharge, and ability to go through walls. Vanguard has greater synergy with their abilities, in my opinion, because this gives them more than one way of detonating combos against armored enemies. Lash is gimmicky, but not so much as to be niche in use thanks to the shield piercing upgrade. Singularity is not as terrible as some make it out to be, but out of all of these classes the Adept simply brings the least to the table.

Modifié par Edalborez, 16 juin 2012 - 04:10 .

[MaxShine]

I believe the phoenix vanguard is actually pretty strong. Lash is pretty good, it can setup detonations and you can detonate your teammate's biotics with it, plus it can be used from a long distance. This is pretty powerful on a vanguard... Smash is more situational you can get yourself killed easily if you use it incorrectly. I think soon more people will figure this out and players need to get used to what lash actually does... if you see a flying marauder or phantom, reave or warp to blow it up and vanguards can use lash to blow up reave safely from distance. As I said that is pretty good on a vanguard

[Reaper_prime]

By the way I just wanted to mention you can time a smash with focused melee for even more damage.