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[labargegrrrl]

i've got an idea. force us into playing something NOT human next game. (forcing us to be dwarves might be interesting, since they got so little love outside of Varic in DA2.) then switch again in DA4. musical chairs, anyone?!

[Fredward]

^ I sense some mild sarcasm but I really wouldn't mind playing an elf. Just not a dwarf. The only cool dwarf is Varric and I wouldn't want to have to live up to that. XD

[hussey 92]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

^ I sense some mild sarcasm but I really wouldn't mind playing an elf. Just not a dwarf. The only cool dwarf is Varric and I wouldn't want to have to live up to that. XD

Oghren and Sigrun are way cooler than Varric.

[labargegrrrl]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

^ I sense some mild sarcasm but I really wouldn't mind playing an elf. Just not a dwarf. The only cool dwarf is Varric and I wouldn't want to have to live up to that. XD

moderate sarcasm with a grain of truth.  it would be interesting in a few ways.  for instance, given the politics of the next game...dwarf=interesting.  would they be more neutral about the issues of the day, because they're in less danger from magic than anyone else?  less, given what we know about the lyrium trade and the fact that they have a harder time empathizing with mages they don't have?  it raises some interesting RPG ideas in my head.  

and we all know dwarfs just got far too little love in DA2.  that part, i was serious about.  but personally, i would be agitated being locked into that race, because it was never my personal favorite to play, even though i LOVED all my dwarf companions over the course of all of the games.

my big point is why should a human be the model if we're locked in?  i can be human in my real life.

[Vormaerin]

labargegrrrl wrote...
my big point is why should a human be the model if we're locked in?  i can be human in my real life.

Whereas my big point is why bother being an elf or dwarf if you are going to have the same dialogue as the humans.  Is a reskin only race option really worth anything?

[Yokokorama]

Honestly, if a voiced protagonist comes at the expense of not having multiple races available, I'd rather not have it. And I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

[BIO18]

Vormaerin wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...
my big point is why should a human be the model if we're locked in?  i can be human in my real life.

Whereas my big point is why bother being an elf or dwarf if you are going to have the same dialogue as the humans.  Is a reskin only race option really worth anything?

If we follow your logic, then they should also get rid of genders.
" Why bother being a woman if you are going to have the same dialogue as a man. Is a reskin only gender option really worth anything?"

And for the people that say that 80% of players choose humans, well same can be said about gender.
And if you follow that logic to, well 60% of players never even finish the games they started, those that mean we should stop making endings ?

[Jerrybnsn]

BIO18 wrote...


And for the people that say that 80% of players choose humans, well same can be said about gender.
And if you follow that logic to, well 60% of players never even finish the games they started, those that mean we should stop making endings ?

  Isn't that what they did for ME3?

[BIO18]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

BIO18 wrote...


And for the people that say that 80% of players choose humans, well same can be said about gender.
And if you follow that logic to, well 60% of players never even finish the games they started, those that mean we should stop making endings ?

  Isn't that what they did for ME3?

Epic Win

[TonberryFeye]

Yokokorama wrote...

Honestly, if a voiced protagonist comes at the expense of not having multiple races available, I'd rather not have it. And I'm sure a lot of people would agree.

I would not be surprised if we got a thread where a thousand people said "we don't want a voiced protagonist." and then a thread where a hundred said "we do want one," followed by Bioware announcing, "It is clear a lot of people really like voiced protagonists, so that's what we'll do!"

In fact, I honestly think that's how they make every decision thus far; they pick what they think is a good idea (possibly whilst using narcotics), find a post on the forum that agrees with it, and then use that as proof that 'they are listening to the community'.

[Vormaerin]

BIO18 wrote...

If we follow your logic, then they should also get rid of genders.
" Why bother being a woman if you are going to have the same dialogue as a man. Is a reskin only gender option really worth anything?"

Not the same thing at all.   Shepard has the same background, culture, and role regardless of gender.   The minor differences between genders are fine.   Too much changes in that regards is more likely to get into gender stereotyping than actually add to the character.

You could provide racial origins that do the same thing.   NWN2 and BG did.   You could be any race you wanted, but you were still the orphan from starting village or candlekeep.  That's fine, for what its worth.   But acting like that actually changes the character or creates replayability strains credibility in my mind.   There's nothing in those cases that differentiates the dwarf from the elf except shape

DAO origins could have created replayability, but they draped everyone in "The Warden" role and smothered their backgrounds that way.  I think that is an inferior way to go, because you set up the expectation that each character is a different culture and then don't deliver.

[Vormaerin]

TonberryFeye wrote...

I would not be surprised if we got a thread where a thousand people said "we don't want a voiced protagonist." and then a thread where a hundred said "we do want one," followed by Bioware announcing, "It is clear a lot of people really like voiced protagonists, so that's what we'll do!"

Too bad its never been anything like that.  The few BSN polls have been pretty close to 50/50.   IIRC, voiced actually came out very slightly ahead.

You need to find some evidence that silent protagonists are more popular before you can claim the majority is be disregarded in favor of minority interests.

[Yokokorama]

Well, I'm not really against a voiced protagonist. I actually like my character being able to talk and all.

I'm only against it in the sense that if it takes up development time and resources that are better allocated in a more important aspect. So as long as BioWare doesn't allow a voiced protagonist to compromise more important features [see DA II], I have absolutely no problem with it.

[Emzamination]

No race is not important to me.The only thing race gave you in origins was the ability to use different models, npcs rarely treated you differently.Get a mod to change models if you want race but its not something to waste resources over.Not to mention that having many diverse origin stories would only dilute them.Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

No.  Just no.

[wsandista]

Emzamination wrote...

No race is not important to me.The only thing race gave you in origins was the ability to use different models, npcs rarely treated you differently.Get a mod to change models if you want race but its not something to waste resources over.Not to mention that having many diverse origin stories would only dilute them.Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

Then they should also make the PC a fixed gender and class. Gender only gives you a different model and NPcs don't treat you differently if you are a mage. Not to mention having 2 genders and 3 classes only dilutes them.

[wsandista]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

BIO18 wrote...


And for the people that say that 80% of players choose humans, well same can be said about gender.
And if you follow that logic to, well 60% of players never even finish the games they started, those that mean we should stop making endings ?

  Isn't that what they did for ME3?

Hats off to you sir.

[Realmzmaster]

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No race is not important to me.The only thing race gave you in origins was the ability to use different models, npcs rarely treated you differently.Get a mod to change models if you want race but its not something to waste resources over.Not to mention that having many diverse origin stories would only dilute them.Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

Then they should also make the PC a fixed gender and class. Gender only gives you a different model and NPcs don't treat you differently if you are a mage. Not to mention having 2 genders and 3 classes only dilutes them.

I actually would have no problem with your suggestion. It would be interesting to slip into that role as long as it had a good Bioware type story.

[wsandista]

Realmzmaster wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No race is not important to me.The only thing race gave you in origins was the ability to use different models, npcs rarely treated you differently.Get a mod to change models if you want race but its not something to waste resources over.Not to mention that having many diverse origin stories would only dilute them.Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

Then they should also make the PC a fixed gender and class. Gender only gives you a different model and NPcs don't treat you differently if you are a mage. Not to mention having 2 genders and 3 classes only dilutes them.

I actually would have no problem with your suggestion. It would be interesting to slip into that role as long as it had a good Bioware type story.

A PC like Geralt when done well easily beats out a "semi-fixed" like Hawke or Shepard. Then again I believe that the PC should either be player-generated or fixed and never try to be something in between.

[hussey 92]

Heres what I don't understand, one minute Bioware says their going to take notes from Skyrim. Then the next minute they decide to do away with race selection...

[ianvillan]

hussey 92 wrote...

Heres what I don't understand, one minute Bioware says their going to take notes from Skyrim. Then the next minute they decide to do away with race selection...

Bioware came out with the reason of like 80% (cant remember the exact number) of players were human in DAO and only 20% of players finished the game.

Now if we were to look at skyrims figures how many finished that game and how many played certain races, But the Bethesda devs dont scrap race selection in there games because they know it is a fundamental part of what there fans want in the games.

If Bioware is serious about listening to the fans feedback for DA3 then Bioware should stop listening to EAs focus groups and put back in race selection.

[AkiKishi]

wsandista wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

No race is not important to me.The only thing race gave you in origins was the ability to use different models, npcs rarely treated you differently.Get a mod to change models if you want race but its not something to waste resources over.Not to mention that having many diverse origin stories would only dilute them.Hawke's origin story was richer then all Da:origins combined because it was only one origin story and they could put more resources into it to enrich it.

Then they should also make the PC a fixed gender and class. Gender only gives you a different model and NPcs don't treat you differently if you are a mage. Not to mention having 2 genders and 3 classes only dilutes them.

I actually would have no problem with your suggestion. It would be interesting to slip into that role as long as it had a good Bioware type story.

A PC like Geralt when done well easily beats out a "semi-fixed" like Hawke or Shepard. Then again I believe that the PC should either be player-generated or fixed and never try to be something in between.

I agree, but I don't see any problem having a fixed character for each gender.

[Cutlasskiwi]

hussey 92 wrote...

Heres what I don't understand, one minute Bioware says their going to take notes from Skyrim. Then the next minute they decide to do away with race selection...

Because race selection is the only thing Skyrim has to offer...

[AkiKishi]

ianvillan wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

Heres what I don't understand, one minute Bioware says their going to take notes from Skyrim. Then the next minute they decide to do away with race selection...

Bioware came out with the reason of like 80% (cant remember the exact number) of players were human in DAO and only 20% of players finished the game.

Now if we were to look at skyrims figures how many finished that game and how many played certain races, But the Bethesda devs dont scrap race selection in there games because they know it is a fundamental part of what there fans want in the games.

If Bioware is serious about listening to the fans feedback for DA3 then Bioware should stop listening to EAs focus groups and put back in race selection.

Race just comes down to a different skin and different skillset in most cases. The only time when race really becomes a factor in a game is when the game is written around that race. Those games are RARE but Feary Legends of Avalon would be an example of such a game.

[Scott Sion]

Yes, that was one of the features Bioware removed in DA2 that made game fail in comparison to DA:O. I loved DA2 but, DA:O set pretty high bar in my opinion and DA2 really missed it.