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[Bolo Xia]

Star fury wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I'm the last. And that is true to many.

agree, but only if there is a huge score gap.

otherwise if everyone is within 10k to 15k score difference and playing their buts off doing mad teamwork.

even if a noob (or low weapon ranks) is on the team with 40k less points, but is covering (teamwork) like a champ then i dont see a problem.

its when you have lazy players on the team that everyone starts to notice bad scores.

also there is the whole 1 player sets up a combo and another player focuses on detonating.
the detonating playing will usually have alot lower score, even though this player is helping out like a BOSS!
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i think alot of people just dont realize what is going on in the game or what their teammates are really doing.
^ i mean some people cant recognize teamplayers from lazy players most of the time.

i usually try to figure out my teammates are going to do or trying to do, before i judge whether or not i can depend on them. 
sometimes a little understanding is alot better than judging by someones score.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If you watch basketball you'll see on a lot of the better teams there will be one player who does a lot of little things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but without that person the team just won't win.

[MWaHa]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

If you watch basketball you'll see on a lot of the better teams there will be one player who does a lot of little things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but without that person the team just won't win.

SHANE BATTIER!!!!!

[BXpress2]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

If you watch basketball you'll see on a lot of the better teams there will be one player who does a lot of little things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but without that person the team just won't win.

i remember John Stockton.though his steals and assists showed.still basketball is another matter ,only a few a good 3 point scorers ,and a few have great 1on1 skills(play it since 17 years).but in this game everybody has the tools contribute,regardless of class.

[Hexfield]

Schneidend wrote...

Score is really only useful for determining how well you did with a build designed to kill everything in sight. Even then, it's nothing concrete.

Thats what ALL builds should be about...some in an offensive(kill him fast before he kills me) some in a defensive (i can take a few more hits to do sustained damage to the enemy) manner...There is absolutely no point in a pure bullet sponge/"support"(to me it still means you havent learnt to use powers and shoot at the same time) since all classes can do a fair amount of damage if played correctly.

[johnstreetmusic]

Its not the score but how you get the score. Did you run from the bosses? Did you run at the nook mobs? Did you hang outside of hack zones to get easy kills? Did you go down every wave rushing to get kills and put your team in danger? Were you cloaked all game firing off a Krysae? Did you intentionally let the guy in the second spot bleed out because he was gaining on you?

[Drummernate]

Star fury wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I'm the last. And that is true to many.

Drummernate wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I am anywhere other than first.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Yigorse wrote...

It's not the only factor in deciding wether or not a player was useful, it's certainly not the most important, but it does still matter, so can people stop trying to tell us that it doesn't?  It's becoming such a knee-jerk reaction I'm starting to wonder if these people are getting a little defensive.

Score is not necessarily an indication of a person's skill or of their team play. Some people focused on score will run around and kill stuff instead of hacking or helping the delivery boy finish the delivery or doing other things that could benefit the team. Good missile use, helping teammates, crowd control, ect don't factor into the score at all.

I personally think the score system is detrimental to team play because of the focus many people give to it. Score is useful to me only for such things as determining whether or not I am imporving on my ability to make head shots.

[KiraTsukasa]

Welcome to Mass Effect 3! The multiplayer where everything is made up and the points don't matter! That's right, they don't matter. Just like the "Sports" in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue.

[Star fury]

Drummernate wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I am anywhere other than first.

So?

Modifié par Star fury, 18 juin 2012 - 03:32 .

[Drummernate]

Star fury wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I am anywhere other than first.

So?

That's how I feel anyways.

I could care less about score.

As long as I am in first.

Which I always am... so I guess I could care less about score as well.

[Star fury]

Drummernate wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Drummernate wrote...

Score doesn't matter to me, unless I am anywhere other than first.

So?

That's how I feel anyways.

I could care less about score.

As long as I am in first.

Which I always am... so I guess I could care less about score as well.

Cool story, bro.

[Schneidend]

Hexfield wrote...

Thats what ALL builds should be about...some in an offensive(kill him fast before he kills me) some in a defensive (i can take a few more hits to do sustained damage to the enemy) manner...There is absolutely no point in a pure bullet sponge/"support"(to me it still means you havent learnt to use powers and shoot at the same time) since all classes can do a fair amount of damage if played correctly.

Well, if you don't believe in building for team synergy and support, then we are at an impasse. Good day, sir.

[Maker MEDA]

Score is a good indicator of if you want to speed run gold, you want to check your score, higher the score, the faster it tends to go down. Who cares about the team, 20 minutes gold run, that's all that matters.

[Wowky]

@OP - two words: Cooperative game.

Who gives a **** if you topped the scoreboard by three times the second place getter if ultimately everyone pitched in to help win? You might be the "best", but there's a reason you're playing with a team and not doing a solo run.

[BXpress2]

Wowky wrote...

@OP - two words: Cooperative game.

Who gives a **** if you topped the scoreboard by three times the second place getter if ultimately everyone pitched in to help win? You might be the "best", but there's a reason you're playing with a team and not doing a solo run.

somebody should really cure the selective reading disease.

[xcrunr1647]

BXpress2 wrote...

but in this game everybody has the tools contribute,regardless of class.

That's not true at all. Some people just don't have the experience and raw skill that other gamers have. No matter how good their equipment is, give someone that just "doesn't get it" the best gear in the game and they would be hard pressed to beat someone that has played the game extensively, is good at shooters and understands the game mechanics. 

[BXpress2]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

BXpress2 wrote...

but in this game everybody has the tools contribute,regardless of class.

That's not true at all. Some people just don't have the experience and raw skill that other gamers have. No matter how good their equipment is, give someone that just "doesn't get it" the best gear in the game and they would be hard pressed to beat someone that has played the game extensively, is good at shooters and understands the game mechanics. 

true.i phrased that sentence wrong.what i should have written is every class has the tools to contribute.

[xcrunr1647]

BXpress2 wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

BXpress2 wrote...

but in this game everybody has the tools contribute,regardless of class.

That's not true at all. Some people just don't have the experience and raw skill that other gamers have. No matter how good their equipment is, give someone that just "doesn't get it" the best gear in the game and they would be hard pressed to beat someone that has played the game extensively, is good at shooters and understands the game mechanics. 

true.i phrased that sentence wrong.what i should have written is every class has the tools to contribute.

in that case, agreed. 

yesterday morning I was arguing with someone about AA snipers and it quickly deteriorated

i was half ready for that to happen here lol

Modifié par xcrunr1647, 18 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[jazzking2001]

i dont think that score is related to the XP that you get
thus i dont rly care about score in that regard

but
i use my score to see if i am effective (good or bad) at using the class/weapon i am using

also
sometimes i can be in first place
other times i am dead last
u can have a good match or a bad match, i dont see anything more

[Wowky]

BXpress2 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

@OP - two words: Cooperative game.

Who gives a **** if you topped the scoreboard by three times the second place getter if ultimately everyone pitched in to help win? You might be the "best", but there's a reason you're playing with a team and not doing a solo run.

somebody should really cure the selective reading disease.

I read the entire original post and understood it's message. Unless I grossly misunderstood what the OP was getting at (in which case I'm genuinely concerned about my comprehension skills), my point is perfectly valid as a response: who gives a **** about how "effective" you are or "how much damage you did relative to everyone else" if the team wins? The sole objective of this game is for the team to make it to the end. As long as that happens, as far as I'm concerned everyone wins.

But then again I'm not particularly competitive when it comes to games so maybe I'm going into it with a totally different mindset to the OP.

[BXpress2]

Wowky wrote...

BXpress2 wrote...

Wowky wrote...

@OP - two words: Cooperative game.

Who gives a **** if you topped the scoreboard by three times the second place getter if ultimately everyone pitched in to help win? You might be the "best", but there's a reason you're playing with a team and not doing a solo run.

somebody should really cure the selective reading disease.

I read the entire original post and understood it's message. Unless I grossly misunderstood what the OP was getting at (in which case I'm genuinely concerned about my comprehension skills), my point is perfectly valid as a response: who gives a **** about how "effective" you are or "how much damage you did relative to everyone else" if the team wins? The sole objective of this game is for the team to make it to the end. As long as that happens, as far as I'm concerned everyone wins.

But then again I'm not particularly competitive when it comes to games so maybe I'm going into it with a totally different mindset to the OP.

you should read the thread,there are a lot of answers to that.but let me repeat the main point.so maybe people who read the words "score" and "top scorer" dont get butthurt and post knee jerk replies like you did.

nobody calls you a noob if you score 20k-30k less than the top scorer.but,if the top scorer scores 140k and rest of the team around 50k ,guess who did all the work?therefore the score board does indicate who is underachieving and who is contributing.

there is no "support role" in this game that makes you score three times less than top scorer.those classes which are deemed "support" are perfectly capable killers.i make exception to biotic detonators.

you call it a team game right?what is your definition of team, if one guy has to do all the work ,because the other 3 are "supporting"?that is not support.its getting carried.you can see who sucks by just looking at the way the play.99% of the time it reflects on the scoreboard.

i killed 80% of the enemy units and you think i can't live without the 2 overloads and 5 bullets you contribute to the wave?

Edit:and its not only that.not only do they not contribute but i have to pick them up twice a wave aswell.have to do the devices as a Soldier because the Infiltrator is hopelessly aiming at trash mobs instead of doing his job and and and...

the only support such people can possibly offer is dividing the aggro by just being there.and if you call that "contribution" ,then you might aswell call leechers "support".

Modifié par BXpress2, 18 juin 2012 - 12:13 .

[Lucius Aelius]

While score may not mean as much as it should (not enough variables taken into account), I think it's definitely a mistake to say that score means nothing at all. In the context of any given game one can certainly take the score someone has along with what they've seen the person do throughout the game and come to a fair (albeit hardly exact) conclusion about what this person has done and whether they contributed or not.

And support classes don't automatically get a free ride, there is no excuse to not being able to kill things except incompetence (certainly a relative thing in this case, a good player matched with a team of unfriggenbelievable players shouldn't expect to score too high, despite being good at the game). The fact is that there is one and only one consistent hindrance to any given group of players competing for the high score, and that's skill. A less skilled player will consistently score less, and vice versa. Sure class makes a difference, just not enough of a difference to be a problem when comparing. That GI with a GPS who scored the same as a Krogan Soldier? Either he's a bad infiltrator, or that's one badass Krogan. No way to tell which from the score, but that much at least can be inferred.

And no class is so support oriented that he should have less than half the score of the top guy, excepting a disparity in skill between them. So while the raw score means little to nothing, the weighted score (with things like character/build/loadout/playstyle taken into account) can be compared meaningfully amongst the players of any given match (essentially, the less overtly powerful any given combination of character/build/loadout is, the more impressive it becomes if they score well with it, just as more powerful means any given score becomes less impressive).

It's by no means exact, but relevant comparisons can be made with peoples' scores, so long as one takes into account all (or at least most/enough) of the things that the score leaves out.

[WaffleCrab]

Lukeman1884 wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

Score doesnt matter for anything else than besides 2 things; seeing who is a team player and who isnt, and seeing if someone isnt pulling their weight. Other than that, it serves no purpose to keep track of it. A good indicator of a nonteam player, is someone who has high score, but the overall time the mission takes time to finish is higher than usual(most likely due to the person not giving a **** if a team mate goes down) but the high score can be a simple indication of a kick ass build too. where as someone who gets only 20-30k score on gold, usually isnt pulling their weight, and just hanging around for the ride(assuming that score has been calculated from the very beginning, not a mid game joiner)

So if I've got an incredibly high score and we took 40 minutes to finish, I'm not a team player? I'd say that's more due to the fact that the rest of my team decided to start a revive chain next to 3 phantoms and two atlases, and I had to solo the rest of the wave.

It was a fringe example at best, if you cant take it as one, i aint wasting more time replying to you.

[WaffleCrab]

score matters to 2 kinds of people. Those who think a coop game is a race of sorts and dont know better, and people who absolutely must polish their E-dong whenever possible.