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[SquirrelWiz]

You know, you folks need to grow a pair.

Give me three good infiltrators and I'll gladly play their glorified Decoy.

I will stride boldly onto the battlefield knowing that my enemies' deaths will come from the shadows.

[robarcool]

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

[capn233]

I already weighed in on page 3.

But since then an infiltrator stole my wife, my dog, and my truck. I am planning to write a Country song about it.

[Immortal Strife]

Infiltrators < 3 in a lobby is fine, if you can't handle that OP you are bad.

3 Infiltrators in a lobby, you better switch to an infiltrator or you are going to attract massive enemy attention (if you are a beast you will top the score board because of all the attention which is amusing when you are the only non infiltrator).

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 21 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[The Waffle Cat]

I dont understand the hate on infiltrators, they get boring after a while and removal or nerfing TC will just remove the core of his gameplay. Dont get me wrong here, I like all classes and I dont preer one over another.

[VRtheTrooper]

i've played a game as a HS with three infs.

there is a thing in this game called "cover" and should be utilized. you can also run to the other side of the map if you get overwhelmed.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

The problem I have with SOME Infiltrators, is they make this automatic assumption that you're okay with being their personal decoy, simply because they're an Infiltrator and you're not. Sorry, just because you can Tac Cloak, doesn't mean I've agreed to be your subordinate. Now get in the fray like the rest of us and fight some bad guys.

[donosaur]

OP: You should just play with me! I play a very, very cautious infiltrator and usually bottom out the scoreboard, but I focus on objectives and revives. Oh, I do use TC and run like a coward a lot, maybe you shouldn't play with me..

Modifié par donosaur, 21 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[WaffleCrab]

nicethugbert wrote...



Some enemy's aggro is easier to dump than others.  But, you still have the ability to dump aggro.  No other class has it.  It's a fantastic advantage and it's unfair to do that to your team.

My engineers with their drones beg to differ. If you spawn a sentry or decoy within the enemys visual cone. run off. and respawn what you just used = dumped agro, plus its safer than doing it with TC. plus engineers do this quite often. why arent you whining about that? Also any class that has a staggering power. stagger+ run away = dumped agro o_O i dont see how TC is any different than with those. except with TC the enemys target is still valid for a handfull of seconds longer than with the other 2 options i gave you. Stagger + run behind a corner leaving your team mate in between = 2 - 3 seconds before the enemy stops targetting you. Drone/sentry/decoy + run behind a corner away from the team mate you left there. the moment you respawn = target change. TC 5-7 seconds depending on the enemy type. sometimes longer if you need to run through the enemy to get away.

[WaffleCrab]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The problem I have with SOME Infiltrators, is they make this automatic assumption that you're okay with being their personal decoy, simply because they're an Infiltrator and you're not. Sorry, just because you can Tac Cloak, doesn't mean I've agreed to be your subordinate. Now get in the fray like the rest of us and fight some bad guys.

dont play with infs. if you cant handle the skill of the class simple as that. i am pretty sure 99% of the people playing the game dont give a single flying **** about infs. using TC unless they explicitly start pulling the enemy at the team, then cloaking away to bring in more from behind. And those occurences are far and between, cant tell when i have seen one.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

WaffleCrab wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

The problem I have with SOME Infiltrators, is they make this automatic assumption that you're okay with being their personal decoy, simply because they're an Infiltrator and you're not. Sorry, just because you can Tac Cloak, doesn't mean I've agreed to be your subordinate. Now get in the fray like the rest of us and fight some bad guys.

dont play with infs. if you cant handle the skill of the class simple as that. i am pretty sure 99% of the people playing the game dont give a single flying **** about infs. using TC unless they explicitly start pulling the enemy at the team, then cloaking away to bring in more from behind. And those occurences are far and between, cant tell when i have seen one.

I play as Infiltrator sometimes.  I'm very good at it.  I don't run off to the furthest location possible and hide and camp and never move like some infiltrators do.  I'm in there with my team, fighting it out, reviving, doing objectives, etc.  I do quite well with this mid-range style.

As an infiltrator, you do NOT have to camp in a remote spot, quietly picking off enemies, far away from any action.  This is the worst way to play from a team-play perspective.  If you need to dump all aggro on your teammates to score well, you ARE NOT a good player.

I'm not saying they're aren't good, team-playing Infiltrators.  There definitely are.  It just seems that the Infiltrator attracts more than its share of bad players.

[IndigoVitare]

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

I was kind of assuming those other players would be alive, but I concede the point. I missed that angle.

Of course, the whole point of the varying difficulty levels is that the bad players are on Bronze, medium on Silver and good on Gold. This isn't always the case, of course, though that isn't a problem with the the classes but rather the players...

[nicethugbert]

robarcool wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

DeathIsHere wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

The difference between Tactical Cloak and cover is that with cover, you will be seen and rushed and shot at from across the map, before you even stick your head out, on Gold.  You can't sight or scope from behind cover without getting shot on Gold.  With TC, you can sight and scope without getting shot quite easily quite on Gold.

So what you're saying is you've never played gold. Because you are pretty obviously just making garbage up.

Your completely, pathetically weak complaint that Infiltrators can "sight and scope quite easily" (I removed your nonsense because clearly you don't know how to form a sentence) is countered by the basic ability to move your reticule while in cover.

Really this whole thread is a loud outcry of "I don't understand this game at all, here's the class I don't like though and here's my dumb reason for thinking I'm too good for it!" You do go out of your way to make yourself look as ignorant as possible, because it's quite hard to imagine anyone could actually be as blatantly oblivious as your stupifying argument would suggest you are.

The notion that you think you're making some kind of asinine point here is mind-boggling. The only thing you're proving is that whatever teams have to suffer your presence are severely handicapped from the start. Get off the forums and learn to play.

No, he's absolutely right.  There's a major difference between taking cover and cloaking.  When you take cover, enemies can still see you, and they'll move in close and try to flank you.  As opposed to TC, where enemies can't see you at all and don't know you're there.  There's such a difference between the two, they're not even really comparable.  Plus, when you decloak and your enemies see you, you simply get out of their line of sight and cloak again, and they're back to not knowing where you are.

You must be joking.

An infiltrator spends most of their time out of cloak, and the only time they should be using it is for objectives, revives, and right before they start shooting. If you honestly think TC is a "magic disappear trick" that enemies immediately forget about you, they can also never see you if you can't see them, so just cover your eyes! Just as applicable.

Let's just look at what this thread is really about; a butthurt fool complaining. Probably feels inadequate after being beaten out for points by infiltrators, or angry because he can't make effective use of the class (which is obvious based on his blistering ignorance concerning how they work). But the long and short of it, this is a stupid, childish, pathetic complaint.

"Boo Hoo, I get shot at too much because the infiltrator can cloak!"

Stop whining and learn some awareness. You are literally asking other people to get shot at MORE because you can't deal with it. Pathetic.

If you aren't using cloak to escape enemy fire, then you aren't using it to its maximum potential.

You're not wasting any potential. You just can't do that and it makes you (and the TC) seem like you've never played an infiltrator. Go play a game, cloak in a mob of enemies, try to run, and tell me how long it takes for you to get a face full of bullets. If you cloak in front of enemies, they can still see you. They will follow you. Geth Rocket Troopers and Primes will bombard you (can happen even if they didn't see you cloak). Tactical Cloak isn't an escape button and it never has been. If you're in a situation like that, cloaking just gives you a false sense of survivability which is quickly replaced with "Wow, I just got killed". Tactical Cloak has to be used out of sight or you're gonna get nailed. The TC thinking you can just cloak and boom, all enemies stop shooting at you is just ridiculous. Face. Full. Of. Bullets. That's what you'll get. Especially on Silver/Gold. 

Some enemy's aggro is easier to dump than others.  But, you still have the ability to dump aggro.  No other class has it.  It's a fantastic advantage and it's unfair to do that to your team.

Vanguards have the ability to recharge their shileds and so has HS. No other class has it and it is unfair to them. Cheers!

It's unfair to your team to recharge your shields?  You actually think that recharging your shields is the same as dumping aggro on other players?

[nicethugbert]

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

Few people play to purposely get killed.  It is not the purpose of the game.  But, the purpose of Tactical Cloak is to dump aggro and get a huge damage bonus.

[robarcool]

IndigoVitare wrote...

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

I was kind of assuming those other players would be alive, but I concede the point. I missed that angle.

Of course, the whole point of the varying difficulty levels is that the bad players are on Bronze, medium on Silver and good on Gold. This isn't always the case, of course, though that isn't a problem with the the classes but rather the players...

I am glad you saw my reason.

[The Waffle Cat]

Btw why are youso stupid that you think tc drops aggro on your teammates. Guess what? It doesnt work like that :

Guardians shoot through cloak
Banshees, brutes and ravagers see through it, even marauders it you hit them while running
All geth except for the hunters see through it.

All these factions got units who will still see you due to aggro mechanics.


As a krogan would say :

Stop whining!

[robarcool]

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

Few people play to purposely get killed.  It is not the purpose of the game.  But, the purpose of Tactical Cloak is to dump aggro and get a huge damage bonus.

And the purpose of Adrenaline rush is to get shields and get damage bonus. Also, like I said, infiltrators do not dump aggro, unless it is a poor player.

[nicethugbert]

Immortal Strife wrote...

Infiltrators < 3 in a lobby is fine, if you can't handle that OP you are bad.

3 Infiltrators in a lobby, you better switch to an infiltrator or you are going to attract massive enemy attention (if you are a beast you will top the score board because of all the attention which is amusing when you are the only non infiltrator).

If I'm bad because I can't handle all the aggro for the team then the people dumping the aggro must be even worse because if they could handle it, they wouldn't be dumping it.

[sliverofamoon]

There are a great number of shooter games that don't have Infiltrator's. And since the Mass Effect universe has them......................

[robarcool]

It seems like OP is seeming the disappearing power for the first time in a co-op game. Borderlands Siren class anyone?

[Siansonea]

I'm terrible at playing Infiltrators. I'm just not shooty enough. I do want to try one with the Reegar though, that was a good idea. Obviously it takes some skill to play an Infiltrator, or I wouldn't be so bad at it. I'm good at AJA, SE, GE and QME, so I'm not a total albatross. But I can't really shine with an Infiltrator. ::shrugs::

[sliverofamoon]

mightysasquatch wrote...

Played a game v Cerberus on silver (can't remember the map) Team of randoms consisting of a ex Cerb vanguard, a Quarian female infiltrator, ex Cerb adept (me) & the fourth I can't remember.

Basically myself & the Cerb vanguard teamed up & we annihilated anything in our path, the Quarian player as support....taking out any stragglers & reviving as & when needed (luckily I had one of my better games with the adept). 

The Quarian was like that certain player in your chosen teams sides, once they're gone you realise they were the key element...I never get why people leave when your tanking games.

May not be relevant this post...wanted to mention how badass the few games were we had hahaha

Was the other character a GE, or a SE? And the FQI using a pistol, and spamming Sabotage? This sounds aweful familiar.... I played my FQI last night in a few rounds, and remember running with a couple of ex-Cerbies... A VG and an Adept. I think on Goddess I had the 15 revive badge against Cerberus with that PUG group. I'm always dead last with this character because Sabo. get's no point recognition at all.

Modifié par sliverofamoon, 21 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[brian_breed]

jahaa wrote...

The problem isn't the cloack or you being a decoy. The problem is when they don't kill a thing or need two BW clips to kill a marauder. And sadly this is the average inflitrator on gold, except if they equip the krysae, but even that needs a minimun skill or at least some brain.

HAHAHA! Oh wait you're serious, you think you need to aim the Krysae?

[nicethugbert]

robarcool wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

Few people play to purposely get killed.  It is not the purpose of the game.  But, the purpose of Tactical Cloak is to dump aggro and get a huge damage bonus.

And the purpose of Adrenaline rush is to get shields and get damage bonus. Also, like I said, infiltrators do not dump aggro, unless it is a poor player.

Tactical Cloak dumps aggro regardless of how good a player you are because the purpose of tactical cloak is to dump aggro, besides the damage bonus. 

[WaffleCrab]

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

Few people play to purposely get killed.  It is not the purpose of the game.  But, the purpose of Tactical Cloak is to dump aggro and get a huge damage bonus.

And the purpose of Adrenaline rush is to get shields and get damage bonus. Also, like I said, infiltrators do not dump aggro, unless it is a poor player.

Tactical Cloak dumps aggro regardless of how good a player you are because the purpose of tactical cloak is to dump aggro, besides the damage bonus. 

lol. nope  when do you get it. it doesnt dump agro, unless they actually use it for purpose of escaping. IF the squishy person in the team is seen running. thats usually a good pointer for you to run too.