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[Machinebud2]

I use an Infiltrator on Gold only and i feel the calling to become the medic and save anyone who goes down as it can be impossible to get to squad mates any other way, this has helped several times to progress further through the game acheiving more credits which has to be a good thing. Why kick the player who can help you survive further into the game

[darkpassenger2342]

because your aggro dumping is probably the reason he is dead in the first place. when more people understand this, there willl be less argument amongst players.

[SkylarV]

nicethugbert wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

Infiltrators < 3 in a lobby is fine, if you can't handle that OP you are bad.

3 Infiltrators in a lobby, you better switch to an infiltrator or you are going to attract massive enemy attention (if you are a beast you will top the score board because of all the attention which is amusing when you are the only non infiltrator).

If I'm bad because I can't handle all the aggro for the team then the people dumping the aggro must be even worse because if they could handle it, they wouldn't be dumping it.

EXACTLY! A good infiltrator will use TC's damage bonus to eliminate any aggro they are "dumping" (revives and objectives aside).

You are not upset with infiltrators. You are upset with bad players.

[darkpassenger2342]

EXACTLY! A good infiltrator will use TC's damage bonus to eliminate any aggro they are "dumping" (revives and objectives aside).

You are not upset with infiltrators. You are upset with bad players.
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you don't think that might have something to do with the massive 200% dmg boost from TC initially, upgrade @4,  HM and sniper rifle bonus?? its not bad players, its infiltrator. Additionally, its pretty easy to shoot mobs when you can stand right next to them and they stay in cover because they have no idea you are there. quite easy to get your headshots that way...

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[nicethugbert]

WaffleCrab wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

robarcool wrote...

IndigoVitare wrote...

The Infiltrator is the only class that actively and negatively affects the game of their allies. Outside of shockwave trolling, or whatever, no other class does this, no matter how bad the player.

Nope. Bad vanguards end up dying often, bad soldiers end up dying often, every bad player ends up dying often. Once you die, the rest of the team has full aggro. Your argument is not logical to me at least.

Few people play to purposely get killed.  It is not the purpose of the game.  But, the purpose of Tactical Cloak is to dump aggro and get a huge damage bonus.

And the purpose of Adrenaline rush is to get shields and get damage bonus. Also, like I said, infiltrators do not dump aggro, unless it is a poor player.

Tactical Cloak dumps aggro regardless of how good a player you are because the purpose of tactical cloak is to dump aggro, besides the damage bonus. 

lol. nope  when do you get it. it doesnt dump agro, unless they actually use it for purpose of escaping. IF the squishy person in the team is seen running. thats usually a good pointer for you to run too.

There are lots of squishies in this game and they don't have anything as remotely unfair as Tactical Cloak.

[nicethugbert]

Machinebud2 wrote...

I use an Infiltrator on Gold only and i feel the calling to become the medic and save anyone who goes down as it can be impossible to get to squad mates any other way, this has helped several times to progress further through the game acheiving more credits which has to be a good thing. Why kick the player who can help you survive further into the game

So, if tactical cloak did not exist, no one would get revived?  Objectives would not be completed?  Tactical Cloak skews the game because what is a challenge to other classes is a cake walk to a TC user.  What is a good weapon for other classes is an I Win button in the hands of a TC user.  The result is that the game gets brutally hard to play with other classes just to give the TC user some challenge.  On top of all that, the TC user can use the team as decoys.  It's unfair to everyone else to have their game play hijacked into a game of play the decoy.

[nicethugbert]

SkylarV wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

Infiltrators < 3 in a lobby is fine, if you can't handle that OP you are bad.

3 Infiltrators in a lobby, you better switch to an infiltrator or you are going to attract massive enemy attention (if you are a beast you will top the score board because of all the attention which is amusing when you are the only non infiltrator).

If I'm bad because I can't handle all the aggro for the team then the people dumping the aggro must be even worse because if they could handle it, they wouldn't be dumping it.

EXACTLY! A good infiltrator will use TC's damage bonus to eliminate any aggro they are "dumping" (revives and objectives aside).

[/i]You are not upset with infiltrators. [i]You are upset with bad players.

The bad player argument is ultra super weak because the fact remains that people are being used as decoys in this game.  To make it worse, the bad out number the good.  People are bad with all the classes.  But the other classes don't have a power designed to dump aggro.

[defleshing]

ill draw more aggro with my shotgun gi than you even will with any class thugburt. if you were any good you would know everything you say is very amusing. i suggest joining the legion group and finding a mentor to teach you how to play. or you could give up and try minecraft. might fit your skill level better.

[nicethugbert]

defleshing wrote...

ill draw more aggro with my shotgun gi than you even will with any class thugburt. if you were any good you would know everything you say is very amusing. i suggest joining the legion group and finding a mentor to teach you how to play. or you could give up and try minecraft. might fit your skill level better.

Bad player argumant is lame.  Just went over that.

[darkpassenger2342]

defleshing wrote...

ill draw more aggro with my shotgun gi than you even will with any class thugburt. if you were any good you would know everything you say is very amusing. i suggest joining the legion group and finding a mentor to teach you how to play. or you could give up and try minecraft. might fit your skill level better.

 
 i think you misunderstand the aggro mechanic. completely.
its not a peeing contest, nor is it heavily apparent, as with an mmo.
the enemies look for people and kill them.
sometimes they cant find the infiltrator anymore, so they go find someone else to kill.
not much else to it. insulting another poster for his valid opinions doesnt change this.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 08:42 .

[Pee Jae]

Heh. I'm a QMI. The only aggro you're going to see when I cloak is the enemy being hit with arc grenades. There is no "dump".

[defleshing]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

defleshing wrote...

ill draw more aggro with my shotgun gi than you even will with any class thugburt. if you were any good you would know everything you say is very amusing. i suggest joining the legion group and finding a mentor to teach you how to play. or you could give up and try minecraft. might fit your skill level better.

 
 i think you misunderstand the aggro mechanic. completely.
its not a peeing contest, nor is it heavily apparent, as with an mmo.
the enemies look for people and kill them.
sometimes they cant find the infiltrator anymore, so they go find someone else to kill.
not much else to it. insulting another poster for his valid opinions doesnt change this.

you clearly have no idea how to play either.

[defleshing]

this game is easy all around if your struggling your not that good. /thread

[SGsunny]

I don't know how to play TC, always got de-cloaked.

[Meistr_Chef]

Cloaking once in sight of the enemies do little to hide the infiltrator. So the complaint for "dumping aggro" excessively must come from infiltrators who aren't able to offset the aggro dump by the extra damage, AND are probably hiding from enemy sight before cloaking most of the time. In that case, it's a poor player to begin with, and you probably won't do well with that kind of teammate even if they were playing some other class. And if they were bad, likely they would die often, in which case aggro gets dumped on you as well.

[WaffleCrab]

just face it people. OP is as stubborn as a mule, and as intelligent.

[Kel Riever]

Conversation going nowhere?   Hey, at least THIS was one of the threads that TC was discussed in. I'd rather see this endless war happening here than ALL OVER THE FORUM.

Yes, all caps resorting is representative of the dumbing down of this conversation. I have resorted to all caps, rhetorical questions, and hyperbole. You know, just like the internet demands.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 22 juin 2012 - 03:51 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Meistr_Chef wrote...

Cloaking once in sight of the enemies do little to hide the infiltrator. So the complaint for "dumping aggro" excessively must come from infiltrators who aren't able to offset the aggro dump by the extra damage, AND are probably hiding from enemy sight before cloaking most of the time. In that case, it's a poor player to begin with, and you probably won't do well with that kind of teammate even if they were playing some other class. And if they were bad, likely they would die often, in which case aggro gets dumped on you as well.

So cloaking in a way that actually makes use of the invisibility is poor play?  You're playing wrong if you use Tac Cloak for anything besides the damage modifier?