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[Equinoxe4]

I had my highest scores with Turian Soldiers and QME. Others do 150k+ with Adepts, other Engineers, some even with Vanguards and Sentinels. Nerf everything!

[Beerfish]

nicethugbert is correct in his assessment of the amount of aggro others have to carry, especially if there is 2 or more infils in a group.

[AlienWolf728]

I got an idea, stop dying.

[oneDRTYrusn]

It's funny to see how many of the "Nerf ______" movement is made up of Infiltrators. You don't really notice until you see a "Nerf Tac Cloak" thread, and then all the Infiltrators come in on the defense.

But let's face it. The way that everything else is going, it's only a matter of time before you Infiltrators feel the cold steel of the Nerf-Hammer. Compared to other classes, you've remained relatively untouched. Enjoy it while it lasts.

[Equinoxe4]

oneDRTYrusn wrote...

It's funny to see how many of the "Nerf ______" movement is made up of Infiltrators. You don't really notice until you see a "Nerf Tac Cloak" thread, and then all the Infiltrators come in on the defense.

But let's face it. The way that everything else is going, it's only a matter of time before you Infiltrators feel the cold steel of the Nerf-Hammer. Compared to other classes, you've remained relatively untouched. Enjoy it while it lasts.

I hardly play Infiltrators, and if, then mostly GI with a Scorpion. Still I think other classes can dole out damage just as fine. I actually am happy to have my no. one position on the scoreboard challenged from time to time while playing a QME or a TS.

[Tankcommander]

oneDRTYrusn wrote...

It's funny to see how many of the "Nerf ______" movement is made up of Infiltrators. You don't really notice until you see a "Nerf Tac Cloak" thread, and then all the Infiltrators come in on the defense.

But let's face it. The way that everything else is going, it's only a matter of time before you Infiltrators feel the cold steel of the Nerf-Hammer. Compared to other classes, you've remained relatively untouched. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Since my cloak now isn't really a cloak since the latest patch, if it gets anymore of a nerf I'll play my other classes. I revive lots more when I'm an infiltrator, so expect to bleed out when I play different classes from now on. Don't worry, I'll finish the wave, but I won't bother wasting the time to revive you.

[OblivionDawn]

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

"Infiltrators dump aggro" is THE weakest argument I've ever seen/heard.

Most infiltrators don't stay cloaked long enough to let any "dumped aggro"  wander anywhere close to a teammate. And if they do, it's because they're reviving someone or capping an objective, both of which are acceptable.

This one match I was in, I played Infiltrator, the rest, other classes.  I did all the work while they just sat around playing cards until an enemy spotted them, then they played possum.  As soon as I shot the enemy dead, they went back to playing cards.  True story.

...Your point? Other than that you playing with some bad randoms?

Nothing, I was telling stories like you.

See, but mine isn't a story, it is a statement based on facts. Facts that you don't like to hear, but facts nonetheless.

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

In a team where you are the only player that isn't an infiltrator, and they all happen to cloak at the same time, it would  make more sense. But that's an exception, not the rule.

Wait, I just read that "shooting targets in the back" bit. New weakest argument. It's called flanking, you do that in a shooting game. It's no more "easy mode" than powers that home in on the enemy and can hit them behind cover.

I see how you herp derp there.  Try flanking without Tac Cloak.

I really can't find the sarcasm in this, but I refuse to believe that you honestly think that you can't flank enemies without TC. Maybe if you completely suck at the game, but otherwise? It's as easy is taking a route that takes you behind your enemies, while your teammates draw fire. Any class can do it. Try it sometime.

So you continue with the EZ mode of spamming homing powers that can hit behind cover, and I'll continue with the "EZ mode" of cloaking to line up headshots.

You can flank enemies without TC, so why should TC be in the game?  So you don't have to work as a team using the Draw Fire Tactic to setup a flanking manuever?

I'll continue using my "EZ Mode" auto hit powers, getting shot while doing so, and lining up shots while my CD is in effect, taking shots while I do so.  You will continue using your EZ Mode Tactical Cloak not getting shot while lining up shots and you can feel like someone special because no one disturbs your peace and quiet while you line up a shot.

TC isn't in the game just for flanking, it's for capping objectives and reviving too.

And everyone knows that you need not get shot when spamming powers. All you have to do is take cover, point the middle of your screen in the general vicinty of the enemy, and press the button. Making you pop out for a split second to throw your power. EZ mode at the CORE.

Meanwhile, snipers must stay exposed to aim at and snipe their enemy. Tactical Cloak mitigates that threat, but is still useless from an offensive standpoint if you don't have the skill to get killshots with careful aim.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 17 juin 2012 - 10:02 .

[Tankcommander]

OblivionDawn speaks sense, but OP is like a less annoying version of Ikilledlab. Doesn't listen to anyone but continues to argue. There's no convincing him.

[5DVz]

Someone should start thread asking the delicate Mass Effect Police which class and weapons are socially acceptable to use now.

The level pretentiousness here is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe people here think they're entitled to tell other people how they should play this game.

[Feauce]

oneDRTYrusn wrote...

It's funny to see how many of the "Nerf ______" movement is made up of Infiltrators. You don't really notice until you see a "Nerf Tac Cloak" thread, and then all the Infiltrators come in on the defense.

But let's face it. The way that everything else is going, it's only a matter of time before you Infiltrators feel the cold steel of the Nerf-Hammer. Compared to other classes, you've remained relatively untouched. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Really? Let's see here...

3/6 - Tech Armor (Sentinels) got buffed, Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) got buffed, drell got buffed, Energy Drain (salarians) got buffed

3/13 - Sabotage (female quarian Infiltrator) gets pretty evenly tweaked

3/20 - Sentry Turret and Combat Drone (Engineer) get buffed

3/27 - Lift Grenade (asari Vanguard, krogan Sentinel) get buffed

4/3 - Tech Armor (Sentinels) gets buffed again, Fortification (krogan Soldier) gets buffed, Frag Grenade and Concussive Shot (Soldiers) gets buffed

4/10 - Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) gets buffed again

4/17 - Submission Net (batarian Sentinel) gets buffed

4/24 - Proximity Mine (Engineers, Infiltrators) gets buffed, Singularity (Adepts) gets buffed, Concussive Shot (Soldiers) gets buffed again, Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) gets buffed a third time, Marksman (turian Soldier) gets buffed

5/2 - Frag Grenade (Soldiers) gets buffed again, Inferno Grenade (Soldiers) gets buffed, Sabotage (quarian female Infiltrator) gets buffed again

5/9 - Shockwave (Adept, Vanguard, Sentinel) gets buffed, Incinerate (Engineers, krogan Sentinel) gets buffed...

Etc, etc, etc. I could keep going, but I think you get the idea. The truth is, you're wrong on all counts.

[ryoldschool]

I would like the forum to institute a filter based on thread title where it could exclude any thread with any of these words "overpowered, nerf, tactical cloak, krysae", and then have a table of terms to add in case people can't spell.

[nicethugbert]

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

"Infiltrators dump aggro" is THE weakest argument I've ever seen/heard.

Most infiltrators don't stay cloaked long enough to let any "dumped aggro"  wander anywhere close to a teammate. And if they do, it's because they're reviving someone or capping an objective, both of which are acceptable.

This one match I was in, I played Infiltrator, the rest, other classes.  I did all the work while they just sat around playing cards until an enemy spotted them, then they played possum.  As soon as I shot the enemy dead, they went back to playing cards.  True story.

...Your point? Other than that you playing with some bad randoms?

Nothing, I was telling stories like you.

See, but mine isn't a story, it is a statement based on facts. Facts that you don't like to hear, but facts nonetheless.

Your "facts" contradict my observations.  I've seen Infiltrators do all sorts of things.  You make it sound like the vast majority of them are fine upstanding citizens of ME3 MP that do no wrong, pillars of the community, super heros.  Without them the game would be impossible.  Credits would cease to exist.

The fact is that the game throws hordes of enemies at you.  I've seen non-infiltrators get swarmed and ground to paste while Infiltrators line up their shots.  Then the infiltrator revives his decoy, runs away, cloaks, lines up his shot.  Meanwhile the decoy is getting swarmed again, and pasted.  Rinse and repeat.

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

In a team where you are the only player that isn't an infiltrator, and they all happen to cloak at the same time, it would  make more sense. But that's an exception, not the rule.

Wait, I just read that "shooting targets in the back" bit. New weakest argument. It's called flanking, you do that in a shooting game. It's no more "easy mode" than powers that home in on the enemy and can hit them behind cover.

I see how you herp derp there.  Try flanking without Tac Cloak.

I really can't find the sarcasm in this, but I refuse to believe that you honestly think that you can't flank enemies without TC. Maybe if you completely suck at the game, but otherwise? It's as easy is taking a route that takes you behind your enemies, while your teammates draw fire. Any class can do it. Try it sometime.

So you continue with the EZ mode of spamming homing powers that can hit behind cover, and I'll continue with the "EZ mode" of cloaking to line up headshots.

You can flank enemies without TC, so why should TC be in the game?  So you don't have to work as a team using the Draw Fire Tactic to setup a flanking manuever?

I'll continue using my "EZ Mode" auto hit powers, getting shot while doing so, and lining up shots while my CD is in effect, taking shots while I do so.  You will continue using your EZ Mode Tactical Cloak not getting shot while lining up shots and you can feel like someone special because no one disturbs your peace and quiet while you line up a shot.

TC isn't in the game just for flanking, it's for capping objectives and reviving too.

And everyone knows that you need not get shot when spamming powers. All you have to do is take cover, point the middle of your screen in the general vicinty of the enemy, and press the button. Making you pop out for a split second to throw your power. EZ mode at the CORE.

Meanwhile, snipers must stay exposed to aim at and snipe their enemy. Tactical Cloak mitigates that threat, but is still useless from an offensive standpoint if you don't have the skill to get killshots with careful aim.

You talk as if no one else revives or caps objectives or as if it would be impossible to do so if not for Tactical Cloak.

Oh, yes you do need to get shot when spamming powers.  If the enemy has a bead on you, and on gold if you are not cloaked somebody always has a bead on you, the second you stick your head out of cover to do anything, you get shot, unless you are cloaked.

No, because of cloak, "snipers" do not stay exposed while aiming.  Non-cloaked players stay exposed when aiming.  Incidentally, shooting without cloak is still useless from an offensive standpoint if you don't have the skill to get killshots with careful aim.

So, can someone finally tell me how much skill there is in using tactical cloak?  Tell me how much skill there is in using your team as a bullet sponge.  Tell me how much skill there is in shooting unaware targets in the back. 

Modifié par nicethugbert, 17 juin 2012 - 10:51 .

[nicethugbert]

Feauce wrote...

oneDRTYrusn wrote...

It's funny to see how many of the "Nerf ______" movement is made up of Infiltrators. You don't really notice until you see a "Nerf Tac Cloak" thread, and then all the Infiltrators come in on the defense.

But let's face it. The way that everything else is going, it's only a matter of time before you Infiltrators feel the cold steel of the Nerf-Hammer. Compared to other classes, you've remained relatively untouched. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Really? Let's see here...

3/6 - Tech Armor (Sentinels) got buffed, Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) got buffed, drell got buffed, Energy Drain (salarians) got buffed

3/13 - Sabotage (female quarian Infiltrator) gets pretty evenly tweaked

3/20 - Sentry Turret and Combat Drone (Engineer) get buffed

3/27 - Lift Grenade (asari Vanguard, krogan Sentinel) get buffed

4/3 - Tech Armor (Sentinels) gets buffed again, Fortification (krogan Soldier) gets buffed, Frag Grenade and Concussive Shot (Soldiers) gets buffed

4/10 - Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) gets buffed again

4/17 - Submission Net (batarian Sentinel) gets buffed

4/24 - Proximity Mine (Engineers, Infiltrators) gets buffed, Singularity (Adepts) gets buffed, Concussive Shot (Soldiers) gets buffed again, Adrenaline Rush (Soldiers) gets buffed a third time, Marksman (turian Soldier) gets buffed

5/2 - Frag Grenade (Soldiers) gets buffed again, Inferno Grenade (Soldiers) gets buffed, Sabotage (quarian female Infiltrator) gets buffed again

5/9 - Shockwave (Adept, Vanguard, Sentinel) gets buffed, Incinerate (Engineers, krogan Sentinel) gets buffed...

Etc, etc, etc. I could keep going, but I think you get the idea. The truth is, you're wrong on all counts.

OMG, all those buffs, everything must be EZ Mode by now!  Yes?

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

My god cry me a ducking river.

If you don't ****ing like it then go play something else then. Infiltrators are a major asset to the team. But all you guys want to do is ****ing nerf them because they get an higher score then you.

Like really just grow up

Modifié par shooterking07, 17 juin 2012 - 11:06 .

[ericjdev]

Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

[OblivionDawn]

nicethugbert wrote...

Your "facts" contradict my observations.  I've seen Infiltrators do all sorts of things.  You make it sound like the vast majority of them are fine upstanding citizens of ME3 MP that do no wrong, pillars of the community, super heros.  Without them the game would be impossible.  Credits would cease to exist.

The fact is that the game throws hordes of enemies at you.  I've seen non-infiltrators get swarmed and ground to paste while Infiltrators line up their shots.  Then the infiltrator revives his decoy, runs away, cloaks, lines up his shot.  Meanwhile the decoy is getting swarmed again, and pasted.  Rinse and repeat.

I speak from common sense. What an Infiltrator does isn't dependent on whether or not he is the perfect player. An Infiltrator that his the slightest idea of what he's doing will cloak exactly long enough to line up a shot and pull the trigger/fire a power/etc (unless he's capping an objective or reviving). You make it sound like an Infiltrator leads his squad into a freshly spawned group of enemies, turns on his cloak, and beats his head against the wall for 10 seconds while his squad dies. No matter how much you would like to believe otherwise, occurences like that are isolated incidents, and are a result of bad players, not bad classes.

You talk as if no one else revives or caps objectives or as if it would be impossible to do so if not for Tactical Cloak.

Oh, yes you do need to get shot when spamming powers.  If the enemy has a bead on you, and on gold if you are not cloaked somebody always has a bead on you, the second you stick your head out of cover to do anything, you get shot, unless you are cloaked.

No, because of cloak, "snipers" do not stay exposed while aiming.  Non-cloaked players stay exposed when aiming.  Incidentally, shooting without cloak is still useless from an offensive standpoint if you don't have the skill to get killshots with careful aim.

So, can someone finally tell me how much skill there is in using tactical cloak?  Tell me how much skill there is in using your team as a bullet sponge.  Tell me how much skill there is in shooting unaware targets in the back.

Nothing I said implied that it was impossible to do those things without TC. Nor did I say that sniping is useless without TC. Just because I say one thing doesn't mean that I believe the polar opposite is true. Do away with that assumption.

And the amount of damage you take in the split second that you're casting a power is negligible. Even if you have to stay in cover while your shields are coming back, you can use that opportunity to "aim" at another target for when you're ready to start spamming again. EZ mode.

You've been told multiple times the skill involved in using Tactical Cloak. Apperantly this has reduced you to repeating the same exaggerated phrase over and over again to try to convince yourself that you're right. You've also made it obvious that you need a scapegoat for repeated deaths, and Infiltrators seemed like the easiest target. So bye.

Modifié par OblivionDawn, 17 juin 2012 - 11:11 .

[oneDRTYrusn]

Feauce wrote...

Etc, etc, etc. I could keep going, but I think you get the idea. The truth is, you're wrong on all counts.

[joker_jack]

5DVz wrote...

Someone should start thread asking the delicate Mass Effect Police which class and weapons are socially acceptable to use now.

The level pretentiousness here is absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe people here think they're entitled to tell other people how they should play this game.

Give it time. Only now is it getting near CoD or BF3 levels.

[toastar]

nicethugbert wrote...

You talk as if no one else revives or caps objectives or as if it would be impossible to do so if not for Tactical Cloak.

It isn't impossible, but plenty of squishie piles tell me it's not that easy either.
There were games I felt like florence nightingale on speed.
It's fine, I don't mind, it's part of the Job discription, that gold cross at the end means something, it'sfun even, if it doesn't go out of hand, but don't discount it.

It's one thing to revive somebody who died next to you in cover while you were spamming powers, it's another one to revive these two vanguards in the middle of the killzone and then get out without cloak afterwards

Don't get me started on objectives and none infiltrators trying to help.

nicethugbert wrote... 
Oh, yes you do need to get shot when spamming powers.  If the enemy has a bead on you, and on gold if you are not cloaked somebody always has a bead on you, the second you stick your head out of cover to do anything, you get shot, unless you are cloaked.



No, because of cloak, "snipers" do not stay exposed while aiming.  Non-cloaked players stay exposed when aiming.  Incidentally, shooting without cloak is still useless from an offensive standpoint if you don't have the skill to get killshots with careful aim.

And if you shoot anything but a single shot weapon, you will be out in the open for far longer, the aggro comes back the second cloak breaks and all of sudden that BW cannot fire qick enough against... pretty much everything on gold.

It's true, TC helps you to line out your first shot against most enemies, but then, you need to line up a shot with pretty much any sniper (Krysae doesn't count).

 

So, can someone finally tell me how much skill there is in using tactical cloak?  Tell me how much skill there is in using your team as a bullet sponge.  Tell me how much skill there is in shooting unaware targets in the back.

The is never much skill in pressing a button, there is not much skill in using TC as a damage buff, and possible not all that much in using it as an aggro dump (I suppose Shotgun infs are more guilty of those, as they stay in cloak longer, roaming the map), but once you get to the tactical aspect of cloak, it is neither an I-win-button, nor does it get you out of jail for free.

Inf as a class is noob friendly, as you don't die a lot, even if you suck.
Plenty of rubbish Infs out there still show me there's a bit more to it though.

You could ask what's the skill in BEs, it's just spam powers and repeat, and yet people who I completely out-shoot, out-revive and out-objective-cap when when we're are both playing as Inf, completely school me in the biotic arts.

If you found Inf so easy maybe you just are a true Infiltrator at heart and just don't want to admit it.

Modifié par toastar, 18 juin 2012 - 12:25 .

[darkblade]

You could ask what's the skill in BEs, it's just spam powers and repeat, and yet people who I completely out-shoot, out-revive and out-objective-cap when when where are both playing as Inf, completely school me in the biotic arts.

If you found Inf so easy maybe you just are a true Infiltrator at heart and just don't want to admit it.

^QFT

He's just one of these kids whose brain has been turned to mush by schools telling him that everybody can be equal at everything all the time. There is no such thing as talent or affinity obviously.

I remember back when me an my friends use to play champions of norrath when we would do bad we'd start a new game with a new class until we found a class that we could actually work with. Never did we assume a class was OP, just that we sucked with X class but were good with Y class.

No wonder so many of em get out of the house then end up back home because they got their financial aid cut. They freaking cry when they do good!!

Modifié par darkblade, 18 juin 2012 - 12:05 .

[thegamefreek78648]

nicethugbert wrote...

OblivionDawn wrote...

In a team where you are the only player that isn't an infiltrator, and they all happen to cloak at the same time, it would  make more sense. But that's an exception, not the rule.

Wait, I just read that "shooting targets in the back" bit. New weakest argument. It's called flanking, you do that in a shooting game. It's no more "easy mode" than powers that home in on the enemy and can hit them behind cover.

I see how you herp derp there.  Try flanking without Tac Cloak.

Done it many times with my Human Soldier, tends to hit enemy groups like a bomb went off, cause one does, in the form of a round from a falcon with cryo followed by a frag grenade.

Modifié par thegamefreek78648, 18 juin 2012 - 12:37 .

[KuroFye]

in gold, if you stay in the same spot, you'll get killed (with some obvious exceptions),the difference is that TC allows you to run even in tough situations, but if you are fully surrounded they will die anyway.

Noobs plays infiltrators a lot because it makes them survive a lot more and they think they are good, it is not the TC what is wrong.

[Kyerea]

JiceDuresh wrote...

It makes me smiles when I outscore infiltrators in matches. One's who aren't busy reviving or capping objects and being proper team players anyway. Because for the most part, TC makes them better at everything every soilder can do. So it's always nice to know I'm better then someone when I've got the handicap.

When I use my Turain Soilder, I can't roll and don't get 90% extra damage on my weapon and proxy mine every time, and I still beat Geth/Salarian Infiltraitors, and it puzzles the hell out of me.

Cept once, GI came in with the GPS and got 3/4th of the total score. Killing Banshees and Brutes in 2 or 3 shots is rediculous, and I don't care how fun god mode is for some, in a public game, it's stupid. And that's why I don't do it, I could do the same thing and probably wipe the floor, but I care that the people around me are experiencing the game too.

TC is better than AR at everything huh? I guess Infiltrators can also absorb an entire salvo of Gold Ravager rounds to the face and not lose shield, or lose only half shield to Brute Charge on Gold, take a Gold Atlas missile/Banshee Warp to the face and shrug it off. All the while continually dishing out 50% (or 75% determing how you spec AR) additional damage over a period of about 7 seconds (6.8) with your weapon of choice. Yeah, clearly TC outpaces AR in the burst-dps/tanking category.

Modifié par Kyerea, 18 juin 2012 - 12:41 .

[XXIceColdXX]

Playing a game without a Infiltrator is like having cereal without milk.

[Adhok42]

ctr2yellowbird wrote...

The OP raised legitimate gameplay concerns, except I would not give the dumping aggro equal weight as the rest of his argument. Even Infiltrators draw some aggro, and I find that it's the Infiltrators who aren't contributing as much as they should be who make that redirected aggro a problem.

LEGITIMATE? What game are you playing?

You want a game observation that is opposite to the OP's here it is.

Bosses and shock troops have an unhealthy obsession with me.

I **** you not, I have had Atlases spawn on the map, clank out into the open, spot me halfway across the map and start sniping me. COMPLETELY IGNORING THE KROGAN BASHING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE LEGS.

I went went to cloakshot and the Atlas turned to deal with the Krogan only interrupt itself the second I reappared and fire a rocket at me.

I have had Primes ignore players to focus solely on me whether I was cloaked or not.

I have had Mauraders charge me recklessly trying to eat my face only get my Omniblade in theirs bypassing a Geth who tried to heavy melee it.

I have had a Husk chase and ONLY me with laser precision around the map while I was dealing with objectives despite running past other players multiple times.

I have had the ENTIRE MAP of enemies focused on my position and completely ignore the other players, cloaked or not.

Aggro dump a legitimate concern?

I have dismissed this claim.

I only WISH I could aggro dump as effectivly as the OP claims I can. Then maybe I don't have to worry about that Centuron whacking me with a stun stick so I can revive in peace.