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[Arcane_Warrior_Revan]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Voiced PCs only work when the PC is semi-defined. Adam Jensen and Geralt are how a voiced PC should be done. Like Knowles said in that quote a few posts before, without some form of pre-definition, it feels like you're controlling the weakest character in the game.

+1

I liked DA: Origins so much! even as it didn't have a voiced PC, I've played JRPG like Final Fantasy 7, 8, 9 and I didn't mind that the PCs weren't voiced. If the story is awesome it doesn't matter if the PC isn't voiced.  But if they're going to use voiced PCs then I would like to see something like Mass Effect 1, Deus Ex: Human Revolution, The Witcher 2, Resident Evil 4, but if they are going to use voices like the ones in Skyrim, I think that I'll pass.

[ChaosAgentLoki]

I'm in the boat where voicing all the NPCs typically leads to me wanting my PC to be voiced as well. While, on the other hand, leaving out voices for the NPCs and no voice for the PC works swimmingly for me. That's my highly abridged view on it.

[AkiKishi]

Vormaerin wrote...

Hawke is a set protagonist.  Or choice of one of two.   Giving control of gender and basic appearance doesn't make Hawke a player created character.

Not in the same manner as Geralt. The way Hawke is done is very wasteful squandering lines for no reason other than to give 3 options to say the same thing in a different tone.
In Witcher2 lines can vary from as little as 2 ,all the way up to between 12-18 (forget the exact number). But all of those lines serve some sort of purpose.

Geralt also feels like he belongs there. Because he has a known title,job,reputation,name, appearence etc. All that comes into play with the inhabitants of the world.

DA2 gives you the worst of both. Not enough freedom and variety to truly create your own character. Not enough character to make them a real part of the world.

[AkiKishi]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Some of the gamers on this forum are saying that Hawke is a set protagonist. If Bioware had not allowed gamers to alter Hawke's apperance it would be as much of an outcry as it is now. I agree that a totally set protagonist would be best for DA2, but then the outcry would be just as loud.

True. But it will happen long before the game hits the shelves, by which point people will either have gotten over it or moved on.

[Blacklash93]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not in the same manner as Geralt. The way Hawke is done is very wasteful squandering lines for no reason other than to give 3 options to say the same thing in a different tone.

Sorry but that is an outright lie. Hawke most often conveys different reactions and attitudes toward his/her situation with the 3 dialogue options/tones. Is ThankYou/NiceTrick/Getthe****awayfromme saying the same thing when you first meet Flemeth? Was Iguessitsokay/loldemons/evil! the same thing when reacting to Merrill?

Just because DA2 has the nasty habit of making everything you say end up with the same result doesn't mean Hawke is essentially saying the same thing no matter what dialogue is chosen.

In Witcher2 lines can vary from as little as 2 ,all the way up to between 12-18 (forget the exact number). But all of those lines serve some sort of purpose.

Investigating or expressing opinions and reactions? Same for Hawke, though s/he is more expanded than that.

Geralt also feels like he belongs there. Because he has a known title,job,reputation,name, appearence etc. All that comes into play with the inhabitants of the world.

DA2 gives you the worst of both. Not enough freedom and variety to truly create your own character. Not enough character to make them a real part of the world.

Perhaps that's due to the story? Starting out you're nothing but refugee #1947 and that's pointed out to you in the first act plenty of times. You're a nobody trying to make a name for yourself and people have nothing to refer to you by but your name. By the last act you're Champion and everyone is calling you that out of respect. The difference here is that Hawke doesn't have a defined, in-depth history that Geralt has. People don't have much else to go on with Hawke. Also plenty of the history Hawke does have is open to interpretation.

Hawke felt like my own character in the vast majority of respects. Gender/Appearance/Race/Sexuality/Morality//Personality/Beliefs were all up to me. S/he was barely any more defined than the Origins PCs were in their backstories. This is unlike Geralt who even in personality is defined as relatively serious and no-nonsense. Beliefs and Morality are the only things up to the player there.

Bioware is tackling significantly more than CDPR with PCs like Hawke. With something like personality you have to consider more options revolving around that and the dialogue wheel doesn't always make that easy or flexible.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 juin 2012 - 08:58 .

[AkiKishi]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Sorry but that is an outright lie. Hawke most often conveys different reactions and attitudes toward his/her situation with the 3 dialogue options/tones. Is ThankYou/NiceTrick/Getthe****awayfromme saying the same thing when you first meet Flemeth? Was Iguessitsokay/loldemons/evil! the same thing when reacting to Merrill?

Just because DA2 has the nasty habit of making everything you say end up with the same result doesn't mean Hawke is essentially saying the same thing no matter what dialogue is chosen.


Investigating or expressing opinions and reactions? Same for Hawke, though s/he is more expanded than that.

Perhaps that's due to the story? Starting out you're nothing but refugee #1947 and that's pointed out to you in the first act plenty of times. You're a nobody trying to make a name for yourself and people have nothing to refer to you by but your name. By the last act you're Champion and everyone is calling you that out of respect. The difference here is that Hawke doesn't have a defined, in-depth history that Geralt has. People don't have much else to go on with Hawke. Also plenty of the history Hawke does have is open to interpretation.

Hawke felt like my own character in the vast majority of respects. Gender/Appearance/Race/Sexuality/Morality//Personality/Beliefs were all up to me. S/he was barely any more defined than the Origins PCs were in their backstories. This is unlike Geralt who even in personality is defined as relatively serious and no-nonsense. Beliefs and Morality are the only things up to the player there.

Bioware is tackling significantly more than CDPR with PCs like Hawke. With something like personality you have to consider more options revolving around that and the dialogue wheel doesn't always make that easy or flexible.

Yes that's exactly what it means.

Geralt changes the story in dramatic ways. It's a dynamic series of unfolding events. DA2 is scripted so things happen whatever you do.

Once you realise why you are that, well perhaps you will get it.

[Blacklash93]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Yes that's exactly what it means.

Geralt changes the story in dramatic ways. It's a dynamic series of unfolding events. DA2 is scripted so things happen whatever you do.

Once you realise why you are that, well perhaps you will get it.

I thought you were on the topic that Hawke's approach as a PC was fundamentally flawed and inferior to Geralt. Not that
DA2's writing and quests were just uninvolving and so streamlined it hurt Hawke as a PC. The latter I'd agree with, the former I would not.