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[DNC Protoman]

IAMREALITY wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

I would agree that it is a form of cheating, (IMHO) but its going to be impossible to catch people doing this. If they only do it in private matches with friends. There is nothing we can do, thus this thread is somewhat pointless

You're wrong my friend. They can tell, private match or not. Abusing this glitch will absolutely be a bannable offense, no matter your settings.

Banning our fellow players is not the solution. 

Fixing this glitch is.

Stand together.

Bioware is already aware of this and they will be fixing it.  But players who abuse it and cheat absolutely should be banned.  That shouldn't even be in question,.

All the ban threats do is allow Bioware the luxury of ignoring this game-breaking problem.

Do not give them this luxury.  Stand together agianst this and save the game.  Threaten not your fellow player, rather strike together at the heart of brokeness.

[IAMREALITY]

thewalrusx wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

I would agree that it is a form of cheating, (IMHO) but its going to be impossible to catch people doing this. If they only do it in private matches with friends. There is nothing we can do, thus this thread is somewhat pointless

You're wrong my friend. They can tell, private match or not. Abusing this glitch will absolutely be a bannable offense, no matter your settings.

That maybe true but why talk to us about it? Let Bioware do what they are going to do. I think talking about it on these forums will only invite trolls to do what they do best.

I explained this in a different reply earlier but I'll do it again.  It might help you see where I'm coming from.

I compare this to the credit glitch.  The credit glitch became so widespread that I'd wager the vast majority of players took part in it at some point.  The reason I think it was so rampant was because there was no thread ever directly stating that it is definitively cheating and bannable.  I know this because there was a time I took part in that glitch.  I hadn't joined here yet.  I kept searching online for answers as to whether or not it was cheating, because I was told often by people in lobbies that it wasn't.  But I wanted to find out for myself.  I never saw that thread and figured since there was no direct statement, that maybe it just wasn't cheating after all.  Turns out it absolutely was, and after a few months Bioware came out with a pretty blunt statement labeling it as such.

But if there had been a definitive thread like this about the credit glitch from the get go, I guarantee you that it would never have consumed the community like it did.  But this glitch is the credit glitch x 10.  So before it snowballs uncontrollably, I figured I'd post the thread that wasn't posted then.  People WILL hear about this glitch online and I can guarantee you they will search for answers.  If they see this thread, I bet ya they won't try it.  But it takes more than this thread.  Every one of us in game if we hear someone bring it up should say with absolute conviction that it is cheating, bioware can tell from the server side no matter what their settings, and that is considered bannable.

[jaydubs67]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

I would agree that it is a form of cheating, (IMHO) but its going to be impossible to catch people doing this. If they only do it in private matches with friends. There is nothing we can do, thus this thread is somewhat pointless

Except it isn't cheating. It's an exploit. There's a difference. It's a bug that should be fixed, but you can't take action against people for just playing the game.

Unless you're using it to grief other players, this does not violate anything in the cheating and online procedures thread that was made by an actual Bioware employee.

So far I haven't seen any official response regarding this exploit.

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“Tier Two” offences are the most wide spread abuses and although these will usually result in a ME3 MP ban, certain cases (such as self-reporting) will be handled case by case and will usually result in a credit wipe. 

This includes but is not limited to:
- Credit exploitation via host migration
- INI editing to increase your personal performance
- Illegitimate weapon/character/consumable/etc. rank
- Recruiting for credit exploitation via host migration
- Item “x” exploitation 
****************************************

From the sticky at the top of this subforum:  http://social.biowar.../index/12467716

Unless Item "x" exploitation refers to a specific item, it seems to refer to exploitation of any item.  In any case, exploits are certainly bannable, depending on what they are.  

[IAMREALITY]

DNC Protoman wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

I would agree that it is a form of cheating, (IMHO) but its going to be impossible to catch people doing this. If they only do it in private matches with friends. There is nothing we can do, thus this thread is somewhat pointless

You're wrong my friend. They can tell, private match or not. Abusing this glitch will absolutely be a bannable offense, no matter your settings.

Banning our fellow players is not the solution. 

Fixing this glitch is.

Stand together.

Bioware is already aware of this and they will be fixing it.  But players who abuse it and cheat absolutely should be banned.  That shouldn't even be in question,.

All the ban threats do is allow Bioware the luxury of ignoring this game-breaking problem.

Do not give them this luxury.  Stand together agianst this and save the game.  Threaten not your fellow player, rather strike together at the heart of brokeness.

That's a ridiculous assertion.  Bioware will absolutely fix this, they are aware of it, and there's no way they'll ignore it.  Your assumptions are completely false,.  And this OP isn't a threat it is a factual notice of what this glitch is considered and what the consequences for abusing it are.  

[Credit2team]

It's not a definitive thread unless bioware posts it, or at least they post in it and clearly say how they view the matter.

[IAMREALITY]

MinatheBrat wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

I'm laughing my ass off at those of you insulted by the tone lol. I mean grow up. Seriously.

I'm not scolding anyone and there is not one intention in that post meant to insult. It is merely a message meant for those who may not read here everyday and otherwise may not know the policy of cheating. Get a grip.

Your post isn't meant to insult. You'd rather do that on a person-to-person basis, eh?

When deserved?  Absolutely.

[LayZdevil]

a ViciousFerret wrote...

This isn't cheating, this is glitching.

edit: Which doesn't make it ok obviously, but I don't see how Bioware could ban people who do this.

I couldn't agree with you more. We all define cheating differently. I don't think glitching and cheating are the same. Cheating implies, to me, that you're using an outside source to gain an advantage that no one else can acquire through normal means. Like how Gameboy had Gameshark or there was Codebreaker for PS2. But exploiting the game without hacking it isn't cheating to me, whether or not that game is multiplayer.

[SymbolicGamer]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
Reload canceling IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. This comes directly from BioWare.

Yes it is. You're circumventing the extended reload time by interrupting the animation, allowing you to fire again before the game would normally allow. Sure, it's not as cheap as having all your shots turn into cobra missiles, but it's an exploit nonetheless. Reload cancelling is common in many shooters. Developers don't care because it's generally not that big of a deal. 

Again, you're under the impression that all exploits are a form of cheating.

[DNC Protoman]

Stand together. Work towards the goal of removing the glitch my fellow players.

[IAMREALITY]

thewalrusx wrote...

It's not a definitive thread unless bioware posts it, or at least they post in it and clearly say how they view the matter.

But it is definitive.  Bioware HAS clearly stated how they would view it.  It is no longer in question.  Don't you get that?  That's why I posted this. Because Bioware has spelled it out already and the consequences for abusing this are obvious and clear.  Therefore, the thread absolutley stands on top of a factual basis.  There is no question as to the consequences for abusing this exploit.

[MinatheBrat]

IAMREALITY wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

I'm laughing my ass off at those of you insulted by the tone lol. I mean grow up. Seriously.

I'm not scolding anyone and there is not one intention in that post meant to insult. It is merely a message meant for those who may not read here everyday and otherwise may not know the policy of cheating. Get a grip.

Your post isn't meant to insult. You'd rather do that on a person-to-person basis, eh?

When deserved?  Absolutely.

Oh whatever. As a friend of mine has said, arguing with someone over the net is like playing chess with a pigeon. They knock all the pieces over, crap all over the board, then fly away.

Have fun trying to strike fear into the hearts of the missle glitchers.

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 17 juin 2012 - 06:51 .

[jaydubs67]

LayZdevil wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

This isn't cheating, this is glitching.

edit: Which doesn't make it ok obviously, but I don't see how Bioware could ban people who do this.

I couldn't agree with you more. We all define cheating differently. I don't think glitching and cheating are the same. Cheating implies, to me, that you're using an outside source to gain an advantage that no one else can acquire through normal means. Like how Gameboy had Gameshark or there was Codebreaker for PS2. But exploiting the game without hacking it isn't cheating to me, whether or not that game is multiplayer.

That's fine.  But you should remember that Bioware has banned in the past for things that could be done with unedited in-game resources.  The host-migration credit glitch for instance.  

[SymbolicGamer]

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

It's not a definitive thread unless bioware posts it, or at least they post in it and clearly say how they view the matter.

But it is definitive.  Bioware HAS clearly stated how they would view it.

Except they haven't. Like, at all.

[Meatiershower]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

It's not a definitive thread unless bioware posts it, or at least they post in it and clearly say how they view the matter.

But it is definitive.  Bioware HAS clearly stated how they would view it.

Except they haven't. Like, at all.

Yes, they have. From the ToS, which all players agreed to:

- Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.

[IAMREALITY]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

thewalrusx wrote...

It's not a definitive thread unless bioware posts it, or at least they post in it and clearly say how they view the matter.

But it is definitive.  Bioware HAS clearly stated how they would view it.

Except they haven't. Like, at all.

They have, multiple times.  They have absolutely made it clear that this is Tier 2 cheating, which most often is an outright bannable offense.  Try and use your critical thinking skills for a change.

Modifié par IAMREALITY, 17 juin 2012 - 07:09 .

[Meatiershower]

Right at the bottom of the paper the Multiplayer Online code came on it clearly states that all users are subject to the ToS, period. If you play, you agreed to it. The ToS are posted here:

http://tos.ea.com/le...ERMS/US/en/PC/

They have posted, quite clearly, what will happen to exploiters and cheaters. If you don't like it, I say you should take a stand against their injustice! Cheat and exploit like crazy. Be a martyr and fight the oppression! Then create a new account and let us know how that noble battle turned out.

Internet lawyering about how they didn't specifically say, "The Missile Exploit will get you banned!" isn't gonna mean squat when they hit the ban button.



Edit: spelling error

Modifié par Meatiershower, 17 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[SymbolicGamer]

jaydubs67 wrote...
That's fine.  But you should remember that Bioware has banned in the past for things that could be done with unedited in-game resources.  The host-migration credit glitch for instance.  

Except that is actually cheating and was costing Bioware/Microsoft money.

There's a big difference between "using an exploit to repeatedly skip 9 waves and amass a ton of credits by only playing one wave" and "using an exploit that may or may not be advantageous to the player during gameplay. "

[justin_sayne1]

 From what I have seen, this glitch will generate another BAN-HAMMER-WAVE.

[Meatiershower]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...
That's fine.  But you should remember that Bioware has banned in the past for things that could be done with unedited in-game resources.  The host-migration credit glitch for instance.  

Except that is actually cheating and was costing Bioware/Microsoft money.

There's a big difference between "using an exploit to repeatedly skip 9 waves and amass a ton of credits by only playing one wave" and "using an exploit that may or may not be advantageous to the player during gameplay. "

Ah. it's a reading comprehension issue then. The ToS say nothing about gaining any advantage. They say this EXACTLY:

Abuse or exploit bugs, undocumented features, design errors or problems in the game.

You would have to be quite dim or intentionally misinterpreting to get this one wrong.

[justin_sayne1]

SymbolicGamer wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...
That's fine.  But you should remember that Bioware has banned in the past for things that could be done with unedited in-game resources.  The host-migration credit glitch for instance.  

Except that is actually cheating and was costing Bioware/Microsoft money.

There's a big difference between "using an exploit to repeatedly skip 9 waves and amass a ton of credits by only playing one wave" and "using an exploit that may or may not be advantageous to the player during gameplay. "

Dunno, this certainly seems like a tier two offense:

“Tier Two” offences are the most wide spread abuses and although these will usually result in a ME3 MP ban, certain cases (such as self-reporting) will be handled case by case and will usually result in a credit wipe. 

This includes but is not limited to:
- Credit exploitation via host migration
- INI editing to increase your personal performance
- Illegitimate weapon/character/consumable/etc. rank
- Recruiting for credit exploitation via host migration
- Item “x” exploitation 

[Hexi-decimal]

DNC Protoman wrote...

akula51 wrote...

Maybe next time, send this to yourself. Cheaters know they're cheating. What's the punishment for cheating? Banishment.

Last thing we need is another batch of self-appointed thought police in this forum.

This shouldn't be possible as it is.  That's the point.  Something like this should need a file hack to do.  In which case perma-bans are reasonable. 

This....is just wrong.

Work  together friends.  We must join forces to beat this.

LOL seriously....now that I know you are troll I enjoy your posts.

[Meatiershower]

Also from the ToS:

-Promote, encourage or take part in any activity involving hacking, cracking, phishing, taking advantage of exploits or cheats and/or distribution of counterfeit software and/or virtual currency/items.

-Use and communicate exploits and/or cheats.

[OblivionDawn]

Lol, there are people actually trying to convince others that suddenly having a one-hit kill BFG with a huge radius and infinite ammo isn't cheating?

I look forward to seeing those people in one of my games.

[DNC Protoman]

Hexi-decimal wrote...

DNC Protoman wrote...

akula51 wrote...

Maybe next time, send this to yourself. Cheaters know they're cheating. What's the punishment for cheating? Banishment.

Last thing we need is another batch of self-appointed thought police in this forum.

This shouldn't be possible as it is.  That's the point.  Something like this should need a file hack to do.  In which case perma-bans are reasonable. 

This....is just wrong.

Work  together friends.  We must join forces to beat this.

LOL seriously....now that I know you are troll I enjoy your posts.

All i want is this acknowledged and fixed.  That's all.

[Meatiershower]

OblivionDawn wrote...


I look forward to seeing those people in one of my games.

Likely not for long.