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[Gervaise]

It occurred to me that both Wynne and Anders had a relationship with a spirit of the fade where the spirit is not in the business of deliberately trying to deceive.   Both Wynne and Anders believe in the Maker and Andraste.   Anders simply no longer believes that the obeying the Chantry is consistent with that belief and it is their interpretation of the Chant of Light that is at fault, not the content of the Chant itself.    So was their faith reinforced by the spirit partner or did their spirit partner simply adopt the faith of their host. 

You see according to the Chant of Light the spirits were the Makers first children, who spent the time following their creation singing pretty songs to the Maker.  Then when he created people, they were attracted to their emotions and the ones that were drawn to the negative emotions became demons.  Now demons would want to undermine belief in the Maker, so anyone who claims the Maker doesn't exist but has had close dealings with demons may well have been influenced by them.   Surely though the "good" spirits should know whether or not the Maker exists if their early life was spent singing to him, or does that sort of awareness only come through the conduit of their human partner and therefore is based on their belief?

[biiskit]

Justice seems to indicate during the Awakenings campaign that they don't know any more than "mortals" do about such things. We also know that the Fade is shaped by spirits observing and copying the mortal world through the veil so we probably couldn't be certain that their belief in the maker (if they had one) was their own or merely a reflection of mortal belief.

[thats1evildude]

In DAO, a rage demon denies that the Maker exists, though he could simply be trying to psych out the adventurers trying to kill him.

[TEWR]

Puppies.

[EricHVela]

Sometimes, I think spirits/demons in DA think the "real world" is better than the Fade. (Don't tell 'em that the "real world" is just a game. I don't think they can handle that. Probably cause a glitch.)

[Ophir147]

I think that a lot of people seem to be overestimating the intelligence of spirits. I don't recall any spirits doing anything that signals anything more than a sort of warped sense of animal instinct.

All of the different spirits (or demons) represent a single virtue or vice, which demons use to manipulate mortals into their grasp, and spirits strive to uphold with a distinct narrow-minded zeal. This helps to explain Justice's childlike disbelief that the mortal world is not beholden to his beliefs, and his never ending task to seek out justice seems more like the programming of a robot or the instinct to survive that an animal shows.

But who knows? They could have some labyrinthine minds that we are simply not able to comprehend; they are distinctly alien, more so than any of the races in Thedas.

[Karlone123]

thats1evildude wrote...

In DAO, a rage demon denies that the Maker exists, though he could simply be trying to psych out the adventurers trying to kill him.

Or maybe that's what the demon believes and knows as much as spirits do.

[LolaLei]

Maybe they just believe in themselves?

For example, the spirit of Justice deeply believes in helping others get justice over those who wronged them. I would imagine the same rule applies to demons too, so maybe a Desire Demon believes in feeding off the desires of others in order to accomplish her own... And nipple tassles, 'cause they probably go through several pairs of those a day! :-S

[Gervaise]

I believe it says somewhere in the Chant of Light that the spirits started taking an interest in humankind in the hope of trying to win back the Maker's favour. This would suggest that they would at least be aware that the Maker exists. So if spirits do not have such a motivation or can give no indication as to whether or not the Maker does exist, that would seem to be pretty categoric proof that the Chant of Light was not Maker inspired, or the Maker was entirely in Andraste's mind, or the Maker that did inspire it was just another spirit trying to manipulate a mortal, not the divine creator of everything.

Unless it is memory that spirits lack so they are always operating in the present and have no awareness of went on in the past except through reading the minds of mortals. But Merrill's demon claimed to know about her mirror because it witnessed its construction. Of course being a demon it may well have been lying but if it wasn't then that would suggest spirits are able to remember events in the past without the need of a mortal agent. In which case they would know what happened with the Golden City, since that is where they once lived but now avoid (again according to the Chant).