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[PsyCoil]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I really liked Cao Cao character, as I mentioned before, brilliantly portrayed, re-shaped a little[Okay, a LOT] as a villain but overall very well done

You mean from a very historically inaccurate novel?

The way I see it personally Cao Cao was the main character of the show. The best written and best acted.

I didn't read the novel.

Of course, it wasn't step by step in accordance with History, you can't really expect that from a TV Show. Especially one that tries to portray History since some of the details are lost to us. But overall It was well done.
Indeed, Cao Cao was the best character of the show, in his lifetime he was also quite the poet: http://en.wikipedia..../Cao_Cao#Poetry

I do wonder If Liu Shan was that incompetent and mentally handicapped, there's also his famous saying "I enjoy life here and do not think of Shu at all. (此間樂，不思蜀)" He said to Sima Zhao in a feast after Shu fell.

But back to fiction... I guess that's what happens when you throw your child 50 meters in the air and tossing him to the ground...

Modifié par PsyCoil, 08 août 2012 - 02:24 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Well it is based on the novel and real history, so some things are not historically accurate. As for Cao Cao being a poet, that is shown in the TV series.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 août 2012 - 03:19 .

[RedArmyShogun]

PsyCoil wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I really liked Cao Cao character, as I mentioned before, brilliantly portrayed, re-shaped a little[Okay, a LOT] as a villain but overall very well done

You mean from a very historically inaccurate novel?

The way I see it personally Cao Cao was the main character of the show. The best written and best acted.

I didn't read the novel.

Of course, it wasn't step by step in accordance with History, you can't really expect that from a TV Show. Especially one that tries to portray History since some of the details are lost to us. But overall It was well done.
Indeed, Cao Cao was the best character of the show, in his lifetime he was also quite the poet: http://en.wikipedia..../Cao_Cao#Poetry

I do wonder If Liu Shan was that incompetent and mentally handicapped, there's also his famous saying "I enjoy life here and do not think of Shu at all. (此間樂，不思蜀)" He said to Sima Zhao in a feast after Shu fell.

But back to fiction... I guess that's what happens when you throw your child 50 meters in the air and tossing him to the ground...

That was the best part of the show lulz. I was expecting him to go THATS NOT MY SON! lulz.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Have anyone seen Red Cliff 1,2?

Guan Yu was so though and Liu Bei so genius in them. Red Cliff 2 is the better movie.

[Costin_Razvan]

I don't care to watch those movies, not with a ****ing woman in that era leading an army. Yes she had training in fighting, but to lead the vanguard of the Liu-Sun Alliance against Cao Cao's own vanguard? WTF?

Also, the whole notion of Liu and Sun capturing Cao Cao and then letting him go makes me WTF as well.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 août 2012 - 03:53 .

[Chewin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Also, the whole notion of Liu and Sun capturing Cao Cao and then letting him go makes me WTF as well.

It's understandable not to kill him directly, but I can't unfathom how hard it can be to simply capture and bring him to "justice". But sadly they make it look like killing him right on the spot is the only solution.

Or are we talking about the movie(s)?

[Costin_Razvan]

The movies yes. They let him go after he promises to not return...idiots. In the show I agree with the Kongming's reasoning.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 août 2012 - 04:05 .

[Mr. Tethras]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

PsyCoil wrote...

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But back to fiction... I guess that's what happens when you throw your child 50 meters in the air and tossing him to the ground...

That was the best part of the show lulz. I was expecting him to go THATS NOT MY SON! lulz.

I got quite shocked at that scene. Did they actually throw a child to the ground?

[RedArmyShogun]

Sure why not? You never threw a baby? Very therapeutic.

[Costin_Razvan]

Of course not. They use puppets in cases like that.

[Chewin]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The movies yes. They let him go after he promises to not return...idiots. In the show I agree with the Kongming's reasoning.

Hah, now that is laughworthy.

Mr. Tethras wrote...
I got quite shocked at that scene. Did they actually throw a child to the ground?

Yes. They had to use several babies b/c he kept throwing them to hard to the ground...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Also, the whole notion of Liu and Sun capturing Cao Cao and then letting him go makes me WTF as well.

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Well that's one movie I definitely won't watch,

[Costin_Razvan]

That is why I prefer being spoiled. It tells me from the start if a story is worth reading or watching.

[PsyCoil]

I must have missed it, then. Heard a couple of words from his songs, but I only saw his sons trying their luck at poetry.

Also, Sima Yi laugh is hilarious and creepy at the same time.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The best laughs are Cao Cao's and Sima Yi's. The others' laugh sounds artificial and a bit creepy to me.

[Chewin]

Dong Zhuo as well has a very malicious laugh. Come to think of it, he basically laughs in almost every scene he is in.

[Costin_Razvan]

I have watched Liu Bei's defeat and I have to say he went out in such a grand fashion, typical of his stupidity! I did like the episodes: I'm anti-Shu despite the fact I like Zhuge Liang and Pang Tong so I laughed my ass off at the following scene.

Zhuge Liang: The man who proposed the camp arrangement is either cursed or is a traitor: He should be executed at once!

Ma Liang: Uhm....it was his majesty who proposed it.

Zhuge Liang: "Blinks in disbelief"

At Chibi Cao Cao fielded an army of over 200.000 ( historically speaking ), which included 70.000 troops of uncertain loyalty and few capable seamen. He lost due to poor naval training of his forces, disease and his own idiocy.

At Xiaoting Liu Bei fielded an army of 120.000 and lost purely due to this own idiocy. Thus to conclude Liu Bei remains inferior to Cao Cao.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 11 août 2012 - 12:27 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Well of course , everyone including Liu Bei knows that Cao Cao was the better military leader.

Lu Xun was cool there. I wonder why fire attacks weren't more common. At least I don't know of much examples in the Mediterranean world (the most famous being the battle of Constantinople with the introduction of Greek Fire).

[Costin_Razvan]

Fire was used extensively in warfare for a very long time, however it rarely played a pivotal role in winning battles.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 11 août 2012 - 04:49 .

[RedArmyShogun]

Pretty much the above. Fire was an often used tactic in Asiatic Warfare, praticularly the Japanese and Chinese. So often that pretty much everyone expected and made counters for it. Kinda like how Wars the last several years several weapons that should have been used or weapons that "end" wars have proven useless or unuseable.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 11 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yes I know it was common in East Asia. Not that common in the Mediterranean scene. The biggest example I can think of is Greek Fire.

[Costin_Razvan]

When I said fire was used extensively I did mean it on a world scale. What you need to understand with regards to military history is that a lot of details weren't recorded in historical chronicles ( uniforms, formations, unit deployments, weaponry for specific battles, unit numbers, exact army numbers, exact locations ) in regards to individual battles.

However we do know that armies used fire a lot based off other sources, it just wasn't something those writing history cared to mention unless it a made a real impact: Greek Fire had a huge impact.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 11 août 2012 - 09:00 .

[Costin_Razvan]

So I have finished watching the show. The best show I have ever watched in my life: I laughed, I cheered, I felt sad and cheerful and I cried. Such a show! Such characters!

The show has been something I have been waiting for a very long time personally, not in regards to politics since those have I seen in countless movies and shows, though the level of complexity and especially subtetly ( GOD THANK YOU! ) is very appreciated, but because of the military strategy and tactics SHOWN in a series.

Most shows and movies fail utterly at showing a war in it's proper form. While Three Kingdoms lacks a map to guide us by it still manages to impress in the way it showed the various strategies and tactics employed by the various generals. It showed war as it truly is: Deception above all and for that I really appreciate it, especially since it mentions battles that do not occur on screen but still are important, unlike many other movies/show ( GoT I point at you for epic failure here ).

Criticism I would draw is for making changes not related to history or the novel and for not being longer. However to be able to shoot NINETY-FIVE episodes in just 10 months is impressive enough! It's a shame however that they didn't have a bigger budget.

Looking back after having finished the final episode and seeing Sima Yi's death I feel that it has been a lifetime since I started watching the show, and it really was about decades of war, sixty-one years to be precise since the formation of the Coalition against Dong Zhuo to Sima Yi's death. This show has moved my very soul.

As Cao Cao would say: "Let's fill our cups and drink to song, for life's such joys do not last long."

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 août 2012 - 01:42 .

[Laser Beam]

Just started today. Oh, the excitement.

P.S. Sima Yi is a brillant man.

Modifié par Laser Beam, 13 août 2012 - 07:04 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin, glad you liked it

I was sad when it was over. Though it took me a few weeks, I too felt like I've been watching it for months. The reveal of Sima Yi's bitter Xanatos Roulette was the perfect ending, in addition to the flashback with Cao Cao, the man whop started the show.

Twas brilliant.