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[Jay Leon Hart]

FoxyJohnson wrote...

Adhok42 wrote...

Vloorshad wrote...


Ask me how much I care about that distinction.

Here's why you should care.

If they were one and the same then nether would get done.

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

Edalborez wrote...

Vloorshad wrote...
 It's
made worse because the only thing BioWare/EA seems to move quickly on
is banning people rather than fixing things that are broken.

Ban department and patch department are 2 separate entities.

Exactly - banning people for cheating and fixes bugs are not mutually exclusive.

You all are missing Vloorshad's point. This forum is about the Infinite Rocket Glitch and people's opinion on how EA/Bioware is handling the situation and why they feel that way. Not about the distinction of the two departments. 

Except the argument is missing the important time difference between being able to ban someone and being able to patch something.
Banning someone? Near enough instant.
Patching? Even if they could fix it straight away, there's still a 2 week wait for Microsoft and Sony to approve the patch before it can go live.

So of course people will get banned before the problem is fixed - assuming they can even fix it without breaking the way you swap weapons/reload/use consumables.

[Oz not Ozzy]

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum..

Doesn't seem to be stopping people from abusing it in public games on the Xbox. About half the random games I've joined in the past couple of days have had someone firing off rockets like they were going out of fashion... so much so I've pretty much resorted to playing solo when I don't have friends online.

What's that I hear you say? Why don't I report them? Well... if I did that I would be spending a significant amount of my leisure time sending emails to Bioware which are probably meaningless in of themselves as I have no way of backing up my word with any form of evidence.... time which I would rather spend playing.

In a nutshell.... It is not my job to report cheaters.

It is, however, sombody's job to fix the damn bugs and glitches in this game and, at the rate that they seem to be getting away with actually fixing them, I bet they're laughing all the way to the fraggin' bank.

To date I have not spent a single Microsoft Point in the store, not even buying one single pack to say 'thanks for the free DLCs'... but I say this now... Even if I've already maxed out all the URs in the game by that point, I will spend MS points on a few packs if/when the glitches and bugs that actually ruin my play experience (e.g. invincible hunters, shooting invisible walls, popping out of cover and pistol whipping instead of grabbing and especially the floating vanguard biotic charge bug) get fixed.... until then... not a single penny.

EDIT.... oh... btw... you can add the Ops Packs not working properly when you're close to death that was already supposed  to be fixed to that list.... that one really frags me off... especially when I hear it trigger, it's removed from my inventory... and yet my character still dies. Yeah.. that one is really  fixed!

Modifié par Oz not Ozzy, 21 juin 2012 - 11:15 .

[Adhok42]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

In a nutshell.... It is not my job to report cheaters.

Actually it is.

If you witness a crime and don't report it, that makes you an accomplice to that crime. You CAN get serious jail time depending on how severe the crime was and even if you don't get jailed you're still facing some stiff penalties and now you have a rap sheet which can make your life miserable.

Why do you think Hit & Run is classified as a crime?

[78stonewobble]

Lima54 wrote...

sp33dd34m0n wrote...
Isnt reload-cancel and Decloak after a shot a sort of exploit too? 

How many times does it have to be repeated that reload cancelling is not an exploit, but a game mechanic that was created in ME2 and maintained in this game? 

They could read the loadscreen tooltip on it... No wait...

[Oz not Ozzy]

Adhok42 wrote...

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

In a nutshell.... It is not my job to report cheaters.

Actually it is.

If you witness a crime and don't report it, that makes you an accomplice to that crime. You CAN get serious jail time depending on how severe the crime was and even if you don't get jailed you're still facing some stiff penalties and now you have a rap sheet which can make your life miserable.

Why do you think Hit & Run is classified as a crime?

Let me get this straight... you're actually comparing cheating in a multiplayer game to criminal activity?

I think I can smell the coffee in Brazil.....

[78stonewobble]

Adhok42 wrote...

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

In a nutshell.... It is not my job to report cheaters.

Actually it is.

If you witness a crime and don't report it, that makes you an accomplice to that crime. You CAN get serious jail time depending on how severe the crime was and even if you don't get jailed you're still facing some stiff penalties and now you have a rap sheet which can make your life miserable.

Why do you think Hit & Run is classified as a crime?

However there is no such law regarding online delinquency and I don't think that the EULA says anything to that degree.

[Adhok42]

FoxyJohnson wrote...
You all are missing Vloorshad's point. This forum is about the Infinite Rocket Glitch and people's opinion on how EA/Bioware is handling the situation and why they feel that way. Not about the distinction of the two departments. 

Seems to me Bioware is pretty aware of it at this point and will likely try to fix it. Refer to my eariler post on page one about fixing bugs.

On top of that you all seem to think that Bioware has experiance in multiplayer game issues. Take a look at their history.

They don't.

Unlike other studios such as Blizzard, DICE, and Infinity Ward who have had YEARS to perfect their MP games such as Battlefield, Warcraft, and Call of Duty.

This is Bioware's second multiplayer game and the Mass Effect team's first. They don't have all the tricks and processes those other studios have. They're learning. This is a learning experiance for them. They're not going to get everything right the first time. People here are expecting too much from a company that is just now trying to branch out into a field they're not known for.

Personally I can see they're actually trying very hard to make this work. I'm not quite satified with some of the bugs ether that I think should have been fixed but they're trying. It's like teaching a Rookie how to play ME3 MP. You need to have paticence and let them work things out on their own.

This was a very gutsy move for Bioware and I think they're learning quite a lot from this experiment. Experiance is a cruel teacher, she gives the exam first and the lessons second. I'm actually happy to be a part of this experiment.

They still better rock my world EC if they want any hope of keeping me around though. Hopefully they won't ruin their next series as badly as they did this one.

[Rip504]

sp33dd34m0n wrote...


Imagine: Team is at wave 10 gold - reapers -hack Circle... team is about to die. BUT you could save it with a the rocket glitch. Kinda hard to NOT do it. And then getting banned just because the devs cant fix their own game? Just wow guys... just wow, seriously. [/b]

Willpower.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/willpower

[Adhok42]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

Adhok42 wrote...

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

In a nutshell.... It is not my job to report cheaters.

Actually it is.

If you witness a crime and don't report it, that makes you an accomplice to that crime. You CAN get serious jail time depending on how severe the crime was and even if you don't get jailed you're still facing some stiff penalties and now you have a rap sheet which can make your life miserable.

Why do you think Hit & Run is classified as a crime?

Let me get this straight... you're actually comparing cheating in a multiplayer game to criminal activity?

I think I can smell the coffee in Brazil.....

You'd be surprised what would be considered a crime.

http://www.telegraph...conviction.html

I work Security and I've seen some pretty odd things. During my time in the Military I learned quite a few funny state blue laws as well.

Did you know in North Carolina, USA it's illegal for Bingo games to last over 5 hours unless it is held at a fair?

Don't judge a law book by it's cover.

Modifié par Adhok42, 21 juin 2012 - 11:31 .

[iTz JoNeSy]

Don't worry people. If bioware ban you, you'll be able to give EA 800 Microsoft points to have your ban lifted. I find it insulting for bioware to even ban people for a weapon exploit. Their entire game is a cheat. Disgraceful ending, absolutely broken matchmaking, charging real money to play online, real money to buy cyber weapons and so on. Oh and did i mention about that time most of us lost are entire stats? And being ripped of with stupid weekend operations? And us having to quit in wave 10 due to a hunter not dying? The game cheats us more than we cheat it.

[Variasaber]

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum.

This is a reportable offense and if you wish to report someone you can do so by e-mailing me3mpcheaters@bioware.com.

So I suppose if you were to use this exploit by accident, like the person that OP mentioned did, you could avoid a ban by self-reporting as described in the cheating policy thread? And what exactly is a "credit wipe," does that simply mean your credit count is reset to 0 or does that mean you also lose all the characters, weapons, etc. you've unlocked?

sp33dd34m0n wrote...

Sounds like a real bad joke to me.
Your going to ban ppl for a mechanic this game offers? Okay, you call
it exploiting. Isnt reload-cancel and Decloak after a shot a sort of
exploit too? Where is the margin between a "dangerous-exploit" and a
legit one? Is it my fault that it works or developers fault? So instead
of fixing it you just ban ppl?

I understand that ppl got banned for doing the money glitch but for this one...? Seriously?


Imagine:
Team is at wave 10 gold - reapers -hack Circle... team is about to die.
BUT you could save it with a the rocket glitch. Kinda hard to NOT do
it. And then getting banned just because the devs cant fix their own
game? Just wow guys... just wow, seriously.

You make me want to cry.

[Golgo x13x]

sp33dd34m0n wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum.

This is a reportable offense and if you wish to report someone you can do so by e-mailing me3mpcheaters@bioware.com.

Sounds like a real bad joke to me. Your going to ban ppl for a mechanic this game offers? Okay, you call it exploiting. Isnt reload-cancel and Decloak after a shot a sort of exploit too? Where is the margin between a "dangerous-exploit" and a legit one? Is it my fault that it works or developers fault? So instead of fixing it you just ban ppl?

I understand that ppl got banned for doing the money glitch but for this one...? Seriously?


Imagine: Team is at wave 10 gold - reapers -hack Circle... team is about to die. BUT you could save it with a the rocket glitch. Kinda hard to NOT do it. And then getting banned just because the devs cant fix their own game? Just wow guys... just wow, seriously.

  hey, i remember an atm at my bank was dispensing $20 bills instead of $10 bills, one day, by your logic, i should have repeatidly taken out $30 till the machine was empty, because the bank messed up and their would be no repercusions. 

also, you must be new to gaming, no company allows you to exploit a bug without repercusions.  either new or just entitled youth.

[Sinapus]

Oz not Ozzy wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum..

Doesn't seem to be stopping people from abusing it in public games on the Xbox. About half the random games I've joined in the past couple of days have had someone firing off rockets like they were going out of fashion... so much so I've pretty much resorted to playing solo when I don't have friends online.

What's that I hear you say? Why don't I report them? Well... if I did that I would be spending a significant amount of my leisure time sending emails to Bioware which are probably meaningless in of themselves as I have no way of backing up my word with any form of evidence.... time which I would rather spend playing.

Give your Origin ID and the time the match happened. I'm sure they can check the logs and see what games you were playing and who you were playing with at the time.

Granted, it took a bit of time for them to correct some cheating I ran into, but they finally managed to correct it.

[Sinapus]

Rip504 wrote...

sp33dd34m0n wrote...


Imagine: Team is at wave 10 gold - reapers -hack Circle... team is about to die. BUT you could save it with a the rocket glitch. Kinda hard to NOT do it. And then getting banned just because the devs cant fix their own game? Just wow guys... just wow, seriously. [/b]

Willpower.

dictionary.reference.com/browse/willpower

*boggle*

[Sinapus]

Variasaber wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum.

This is a reportable offense and if you wish to report someone you can do so by e-mailing me3mpcheaters@bioware.com.

So I suppose if you were to use this exploit by accident, like the person that OP mentioned did, you could avoid a ban by self-reporting as described in the cheating policy thread? And what exactly is a "credit wipe," does that simply mean your credit count is reset to 0 or does that mean you also lose all the characters, weapons, etc. you've unlocked?

In my case, I ended up in a game where someone hacked the ini to drastically increase the credit rewards so I ended up with over 15 million credits for a Bronze game, they reduced my credits to 1 and I kept everything else. If I had spent the credits on 100+ PSPs, I'd probably have been completely banned. I didn't, so the only "punishment" was about 4-8k credits leftover after my last purchase. My only real grumble about the situation was that it took about a month for them to respond and correct the error, though I hope they've worked out a way to streamline handling those sort of complaints so it won't take so long if it happens again. (It gets annoying, using a calculator to get your "genuine" credit totals to avoid spending the amount you were stuck with via the cheater's actions.)

[FoxyJohnson]

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

Except the argument is missing the important time difference between being able to ban someone and being able to patch something.
Banning someone? Near enough instant.
Patching? Even if they could fix it straight away, there's still a 2 week wait for Microsoft and Sony to approve the patch before it can go live.

So of course people will get banned before the problem is fixed - assuming they can even fix it without breaking the way you swap weapons/reload/use consumables.

I understand the time difference, how it works, and it makes perfect sense in my opinion. However, Vloorshad was saying why be so hard on those who take advantage of glitches when there are so many bugs in the game that the game is cheating us half the time and because of that it's harder to enjoy the game.

[YachiruChin]

sp33dd34m0n wrote...

Thomas Abram wrote...

This is an exploit and is considered a tier two offense under the policies and procedures posted at the top of this forum.

This is a reportable offense and if you wish to report someone you can do so by e-mailing me3mpcheaters@bioware.com.

Sounds like a real bad joke to me. Your going to ban ppl for a mechanic this game offers? Okay, you call it exploiting. Isnt reload-cancel and Decloak after a shot a sort of exploit too? Where is the margin between a "dangerous-exploit" and a legit one? Is it my fault that it works or developers fault? So instead of fixing it you just ban ppl?

I understand that ppl got banned for doing the money glitch but for this one...? Seriously?


Imagine: Team is at wave 10 gold - reapers -hack Circle... team is about to die. BUT you could save it with a the rocket glitch. Kinda hard to NOT do it. And then getting banned just because the devs cant fix their own game? Just wow guys... just wow, seriously.

Chill out! Just stop doing it and you will most likely not gonna get banned!

[FoxyJohnson]

Adhok42 wrote...

Seems to me Bioware is pretty aware of it at this point and will likely try to fix it. Refer to my eariler post on page one about fixing bugs.

On top of that you all seem to think that Bioware has experiance in multiplayer game issues. Take a look at their history.

They don't.

Unlike other studios such as Blizzard, DICE, and Infinity Ward who have had YEARS to perfect their MP games such as Battlefield, Warcraft, and Call of Duty.

This is Bioware's second multiplayer game and the Mass Effect team's first. They don't have all the tricks and processes those other studios have. They're learning. This is a learning experiance for them. They're not going to get everything right the first time. People here are expecting too much from a company that is just now trying to branch out into a field they're not known for.

Personally I can see they're actually trying very hard to make this work. I'm not quite satified with some of the bugs ether that I think should have been fixed but they're trying. It's like teaching a Rookie how to play ME3 MP. You need to have paticence and let them work things out on their own.

This was a very gutsy move for Bioware and I think they're learning quite a lot from this experiment. Experiance is a cruel teacher, she gives the exam first and the lessons second. I'm actually happy to be a part of this experiment.

They still better rock my world EC if they want any hope of keeping me around though. Hopefully they won't ruin their next series as badly as they did this one.

I agree with you and I am aware that this is ME's first Multiplayer game so I understand that they need to fix and tweak a lot and it will take time. This actually supports Vloorshad's point. They are new at Multiplayer and like I said to Jay Leon Hart, Vloorshad was saying why be so hard on those who take advantage of glitches when there are so many bugs in the game that the game is cheating us half the time?

Modifié par FoxyJohnson, 22 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[Vloorshad]

Jay Leon Hart wrote...

Except the argument is missing the important time difference between being able to ban someone and being able to patch something.
Banning someone? Near enough instant.
Patching? Even if they could fix it straight away, there's still a 2 week wait for Microsoft and Sony to approve the patch before it can go live.

So of course people will get banned before the problem is fixed - assuming they can even fix it without breaking the way you swap weapons/reload/use consumables.

Actually, I didn't miss that. What's being missed is people understanding the words I'm writing.

So, to put myself on the same page as you, when can I expect the geth rocket troopers to get banned for their ability to cheat and fire multiple rockets with pinpoint accuracy from stun lock, stasis, pull/throw/singularity, and staggering? When can I expect geth hunters to be banned for their invincibility/displacement bug and glitched ability to shoot you in the face while staggered? And primes for their magical turrets that show up conveniently by you completely disregarding line of sight and facing? And banshees for their vacuum-pull sync kill that can get you from 10m? And who do I report for causing my infiltrator to immediately uncloak for no reason? Or my gun shooting blanks even though I'm the host?

And these are only the cheaters I've dealt with in the past few days.

Once more, need I go on? My point is, and always has been, it's hard for me to condemn people exploiting bugs in the game that benefit the whole group when the game itself is still broken in critical ways that cheat everyone.

[ParkBom]

Just reported a cheater. I feel bad but it's wrong to use exploits like that.

[PsychoticBiotic]

This is getting ridiculous. I had about four matches today with people using this glitch. What fun is it to blow everything up?

Edit: Just saw two more people using it not 30 seconds ago. Ugh.

Modifié par PsychoticBiotic, 23 juin 2012 - 04:51 .

[ManBearPigIets]

Lol @ people saying reload cancel isn't a glitch. Of course it is, it's breaking the frame animation order the game is TRYING to do. That's by definition a glitch. Just because they acknowledge it as a feature doesn't mean they put it in on purpose...BxR in Halo 2 was a frame animation glitch, and the devs acknowledged it as such, yet it didn't stop it from being the MLG staple cqc attack.

What seems most annoying to me is that it seems like they are saying "you will get banned for doing these things.....but we need people to report it". It makes it seem as if as long as they are in a party of 4 friends they can do whatever you want, including getting crazy credits and boosting leaderboards from these glitches without ever being caught, because there is no automated detection system in place.

Modifié par ManBearPigIets, 23 juin 2012 - 05:02 .

[iLikeMudkipz]

just let them ban people lol.

Half of the players already left multilayer for the hackness of enemy's and don't forget that ****ty ending.

Bioware/EA are already walking on glass right now. :U and its cracking.

[ManBearPigIets]

iLikeMudkipz wrote...

just let them ban people lol.

Half of the players already left multilayer for the hackness of enemy's and don't forget that ****ty ending.

Bioware/EA are already walking on glass right now. :U and its cracking.

Ah yes, people leaving multiplayer because of the completely unrelated campaign story, makes perfect sense. (inb4 'galaxy at war', it's a complete joke and you know it)

[RedAugust]

The great jimmy rustling has occurred