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#76
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waakeegan wrote...


The Mattock is a beautiful weapon, I agree. The list isn't perfect, and you can definitely argue that the Mattock belongs in A tier. However, the Revenant is still better. The Revenant doesn't have the accuracy of a Mattock unless you stick it on a Turian Soldier, but the power difference is clear. You can take out an Atlas/Geth Prime/Banshee a hell of a lot quicker with a Revenant than a Mattock. This is a huge asset on Gold Difficulty, because being able to contribute to taking out the big guys is more important than taking out the little guys.


Except that the only real advantage a revenant has over a mattock is that it can take out multiple little enemies faster due to its bigger clip.  You're not gonna be killing big guys in one clip with it, and with reloads the mattock does 95% of the dps (which is admittedly not a good stat) of the revenant.

And anyway, I agree with Tangster that taking out the littles is more important.

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How I would rank the SMGs:

EZ Mode:
Hurricane

Gold Viable (in no particular order):
Geth SMG (I know, I know, everyone will disagree with this)
Hornet

Marginally Gold Viable:
Tempest

Not Gold Viable:

Crap (in no particular order):
Locust
Shuriken

However, I could understand someone wanting to bump the Geth GPS down to "marginally viable" and the tempest to "not viable."

#78
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MWaHa wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

fabfreebird wrote...

The Valiant is awesome. Yes, it does not armor pierce without a mod which is understandable, but that does not justify the hate this gun is receiving. People are forgetting how fast it reloads (it reloads like an Avenger), how much ammo it has, its very fast fire rate and how much damage it does when put in the hands of a decent Infiltrator. Haters gon' hate.

Noone hates the Valiant. It's a very popular and very good sniper rifle, but it is not superior to the Black Widow an to think it is is just insanity in my opinion.


This is why I like the tier system. Everyone can agree both BW and Valiant are gold viable, and I think we should agree that they're both worse than Krysae. (For the record, I hate the Krysae and I think it's the spawn of satan, but I digress.) Neither the valiant nor the BW make the game EZ mode in the same way the Krysae does.

Krysae and Claymore are on their own tier.

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I modified the list a bit

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Ugh, this list made me realize what a power gamer I am. The only weapons I use that aren't S-Tier are the Falcon and the Graal.

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Deucetipher wrote...

Ugh, this list made me realize what a power gamer I am. The only weapons I use that aren't S-Tier are the Falcon and the Graal.


Haha, the funny thing is that those two weapons are arguably S-Tier :o

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Move the Disciple to B rank (it's really not very useful), and move the Phalanx and Hornet up to A; the Phalanx is the perfect backup pistol for its weight, damage, and capacity, and the Hornet is excellent in the right hands.

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Variasaber wrote...

Move the Disciple to B rank (it's really not very useful), and move the Phalanx and Hornet up to A; the Phalanx is the perfect backup pistol for its weight, damage, and capacity, and the Hornet is excellent in the right hands.


Can I introduce you to the carnifex?

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MWaHa wrote...

Variasaber wrote...

Move the Disciple to B rank (it's really not very useful), and move the Phalanx and Hornet up to A; the Phalanx is the perfect backup pistol for its weight, damage, and capacity, and the Hornet is excellent in the right hands.


Can I introduce you to the carnifex?

The Phalanx is excellent if you really need that extra 0.5secs of CD. It might not pack the same punch as the Carnifex, but it's very good in it's own right.

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Tangster wrote...

mikepaul wrote...

If I equip the Valiant III with the barrel mod then look at the Black Widow II, the line for damage is shorter than the Valiant's total. Sure, I could mod the BW, but it's too heavy to bother carrying.

So when both are at X, does the BW exceed the Valiant with the barrel mod, or is there hidden damage involved in calling the BW 'better'?...

Black Widow I damage per shot = 514.1
Valiant X damage per shot = 396.5

Stop using the stupid ingame bars as reference. Use this spreadsheet.

OK. 

Now, if the DPS is higher for the Valiant, what does THAT mean?...

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I' a little late popping back in it appears, but I would argue that the valiant and bw are both equally as good (depending on the needs and abilities of the user). Valiant is easier to aim and hit the same target multiple times, but is more reliant on headshots to kill mooks. It cannot pump out the same damage for boss killing, but I agree with tangster, as it is usually that cannibal/maurader/trooper that breaks my shieldgate and downs me (I don't stay close to boss types, and ravagers are easy prey if you see them first, but make sure to proxmine/singularity/stasis/something the damn swarmers).

I think they're both s-tier, but behind the krysae due to the krysae doing effectively the same damage as bw (slightly less to bosses, but same # of shots for mooks) and being an AoE stagger weapon.

Mostly I agree with the list (think a few were better than originally posted), but there are some caveates (disciple sucks as a shotgun for killing, but it's not bad for the 'nova missed that mook stagger him!' Situations and it is light enough to carry on a novaguard or other power spammer). I'll probably check again late tonight and argue with some of the new changes :-)

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waakeegan wrote...

Drawrof wrote...

No way is the canifex a top tier weapon. It does not have the stopping power for gold


Carnifex is a top tier weapon because it is lightweight and is capable of 1 shot kills on gold against unshielded enemies. The power and lightweight makes it viable to use on Adepts, Engineers, Vanguards, and some races of Sentinel, who are heavily reliant on quick power usage to be effective. They get quick recharge without sacrificing weapon damage.
 


Whatever, the canifex is totally outclassed by the paladin, scorpion, and talon.  It is a good weapon but since there are much better heavy pistols I would put it down a category. 

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mikepaul wrote...

OK. 

Now, if the DPS is higher for the Valiant, what does THAT mean?...


It means that if you took it on a non-infiltrator you could do more damage per second to non-armor. The dps on the sheet does NOT include things like the effect of the cloak cycle, where if you're good all shots on both will be boosted by 1.4 and the valiant won't shoot as fast as it could (you have to wait about .5s to recloak, but firing, reloading, cloaking costs you more)

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I'd move the Eagle to B-Tier, the Striker to C-Tier, the Graal to S-Tier, and the Disciple to B-Tier, but otherwise I agree with this list.

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Drawrof wrote...

No way is the canifex a top tier weapon. It does not have the stopping power for gold


Haha... Hahahahahaha... Haha...

Sorry... I'm done.
That is all.

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The Pulse Rifle should be B-Tier at the least; it can wreck havoc if spec'd properly.

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waakeegan wrote...

Deucetipher wrote...

Ugh, this list made me realize what a power gamer I am. The only weapons I use that aren't S-Tier are the Falcon and the Graal.


Haha, the funny thing is that those two weapons are arguably S-Tier :o


:sick:

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 Moved the Disciple to B-tier

#94
MWaHa

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Can you put what you think the tiers are supposed to mean? I don't really know the parameters of each level.

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Doc-Jek wrote...

Drawrof wrote...

No way is the canifex a top tier weapon. It does not have the stopping power for gold


Haha... Hahahahahaha... Haha...

Sorry... I'm done.
That is all.


What is really laughable is that you only have the paladin and scorpion 1 and talon 3.  You might wait and see those three at levels closer to ten before voicing your opinion. 

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Drawrof wrote...

Doc-Jek wrote...

Drawrof wrote...

No way is the canifex a top tier weapon. It does not have the stopping power for gold


Haha... Hahahahahaha... Haha...

Sorry... I'm done.
That is all.


What is really laughable is that you only have the paladin and scorpion 1 and talon 3.  You might wait and see those three at levels closer to ten before voicing your opinion. 

If I didn't know what class I was going to use, I'd rather have a Carni than the Paladin or Scorpion. They all have different roles though, Paly mini-sniper, Scorpion min loler, Carni is the all rounder.

Modifié par Tangster, 18 juin 2012 - 02:47 .


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Is this based off of general use? Because if it is, no sniper rifle other than the Krysae should be in the top tier. Sniper rifles are only good on one class after all.

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they need to give the Cerberus Harrier more ammo or make a mod that does that

And the M-99 Saber fits more as an S-Tier for me

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My list:

S-Tier: 
-Geth Plasma Shotgun (ignores shield-gate + armor-dr, auto-aim, light enough weight to be usable at X)
-Krysae Sniper Rifle (ignores shield-gate (maybe armor-dr too), AOE, proximity detonation)
-N7 Valiant (kills quick, good reload speed)
-N7 Hurricane (extremely high DPS + low weight, recoil isn't too bad supposedly)
-M-77 Paladin (great damage, in some ways more versatile than the Carnifex)
-Black Widow (great for dispatching infantry and bosses, innate penetration)
-Cerberus Harrier (great DPS + great weight = great weapon)
-M-6 Carnifex (headshots make this weapon an excellent infantry-killer, and works good against bosses)
-M-300 Claymore (tons of damage, "sort-of" ignores shield-gate due to shotgun mechanics, reload canceling is hugely effective)
-Reegar Carbine (tons of damage, especially against shields, low weight)
-Graal Spike Thrower (ignores armor-dr, "sort-of" ignores shield-gate due to shotgun mechanics, can get headshots (unlike it's rival the GPS), accurate at range, consistently stuns)

A-Tier:
-M-90 Indra (good weight and DPS, good for applying ammo powers)
-Kishock Harpoon Gun (ignores shield-gate and armor-dr, +300% (instead of the typical +250%) damage on headshots, no loss in damage when hip-firing (unlike other snipers), uncharged shots still powerful enough for most enemies, shots go through Guardian shields and Reaper armor)
-M-99 Saber (good damage + DPS, but weighs a lot)
-M-98 Widow (good damage, innate penetration, only needs one shot to do it's job)
-Javelin (insane damage, innate penetration, sees through cover, but held back by low ammo capacity and high weight)
-M-358 Talon (good damage, "sort-of" ignores shield-gate due to shotgun mechanics (this weapon is basically a great shotgun), low weight)
-Geth Plasma SMG (can be carried on almost any class; very minor cooldown penalty with ULM (only SMG that has a working ULM))
-M-5 Phalanx (higher ROF than Paladin/Carnifex allows the weapon to better deal with shield-gate, big clip, low weight, good damage)

B-Tier:
-M-25 Hornet (good damage output, low weight, but recoil is a little tough to manage)
-M-3 Predator (kills quick when fired at max ROF (which is very hard to achieve), super-low weight, can be carried in addition to a primary weapon with very little additional cooldown penalty)
-Wraith (good damage, larger clip than Claymore, good weight, but not quite the killer that the Claymore is)
-M-76 Revenant (great damage output, good enough weight to be usable at X, recoil is a little harsh without Stability Dampener (but, using Stability Dampener requires you to drop AP or Damage mods, reducing the weapon's potential)
-M-37 Falcon (AOE, stuns even shielded enemies, good weight at X, low damage output against small groups of enemies)
-Scorpion Pistol (applies ammo effects well, stuns, AOE, light, but low damage output against small groups of enemies)
-Geth Pulse Rifle (light, applies ammo effects well, very little recoil, accurate, large clip, but has poor damage output)
-Arc Pistol (charged shots "sort-of" ignore shield-gate due to shotgun mechanics (weapon fires three "pellets" on a charged shot), good damage on charged shots, light, weapon practically requires charged shots to be effective; which leaves you very vulnerable)

C-Tier:
-M-9 Tempest (DPS is good (not high enough to match the Hurricane though), light, recoil is a little difficult to deal -with, hard to justify use of this weapon compared to a Hurricane or Hornet)
-Phaeston (good clip size, decent DPS, but largely outshined by the GPR, which has a variety of excellent -properties, only losing to the Phaeston in damage per shot, DPS, and reload speed)
-M-92 Mantis (light, able to be used by many classes effectively (not just infiltrators), but lacks the punch that makes many of the sniper rifles useful)
-Disciple (light, stuns (but the stuns happen so inconsistently that the weapon can't be depended on), low damage output)
-M-96 Mattock (good damage-per-shot, light enough to be usable on caster classes (under some circumstances), high ROF requirement to do decent DPS, very little reason to use this instead of the Harrier)
-N7 Crusader (innate penetration, good damage, but weight is very high, allowing this weapon to only be really usable by some classes, and outmatched when used by an Infiltrator (Black Widow does the job better in most circumstances)
-M-13 Raptor (good potential DPS (ROF requirement isn't too high to do a decent DPS), good clip size, light, but cannot be hip-fired without damage reduction (this is a weakness for almost all snipers, but on the Raptor it's a much more significant hindrance due to the weapon's "rapid-fire" role)
-M-12 Locust (low recoil, applies ammo effects well, light, low damage output and small clip-size make this weapon only very useful on Enginneers)
-Striker Assault Rifle (applies ammo effects well, AOE, stuns un-shielded enemies, absurd recoil makes use of the Stability Dampener practically mandatory, low damage output (maximum ROF can only be reached through continuous fire as well, meaning that you have to spend a while firing before the weapon can begin to kill quick enough to be effective), low damage per shot)
-M-15 Vindicator (damage output is decent relative to some other weapons, weight is good, not useful relative to weapons like the GPR)
-M-29 Incisor (good damage output, good clip, low weight, insane recoil (it's high enough so that rapid repeated bursts are nearly impossible and headshots are nearly impossible as well), loss of damage when hip-firing is a major hindrance to this weapon (similar to the Raptor))
-M-22 Eviscerator (okay DPS, light, but outclassed by many other weapons in most roles)
N7 Eagle (more damage per bullet than the Predator, but recoil is a little tough to deal with and it isn't a particularly fast killer)

D-Tier:
-M-97 Viper (almost totally outclasses by the Carnifex, which does more damage, weighs less, has a quicker ROF, can hipfire effectively, etc... (better in the hands of an Infiltrator than anyone else, because of the damage bonus from TC's Rank 6 Sniper Damage evolution it can be somewhat useful))
-M-27 Scimitar (okay DPS, light, awful damage per shot, repeated shots needed to do decent damage)
-M-4 Shuriken (outclassed in almost every way compared to a weapon like the Locust, which isn't an exceptional -weapon in the first place)
-M-23 Katana (heavier than the Evi, with low damage output)
-M-8 Avenger (almost totally outclassed by the GPR, only winning notably in reload speed, which the GPR compensates for with a high clip capacity (this isn't a terrible weapon, but there's almost no reason to use this thing, making it a rather pointless choice of weapon)

That's how I feel about it.  S-Tier is viable under almost all circumstances, A-Tier is viable under most circumstances, B-Tier is weapons that are viable under relatively specific circumstances, C-Tier is weapons that are viable under very specific circumstances, and D-Tier is weapons you shouldn't touch unless you want a challenge.  The list assumes that the player has all weapons, and has them all at Rank X.

Not everything about each weapon was mentioned here, because it would take a ridiculous amount of time (which I may spend down the line; I've been asked to provide a guide covering all ME3 multiplayer weapons).  Notable is that weapons with high ROF and multiple projecties per shot essentially ignore shield-gate, making them very useful in certain capacities.

Looking back at my version of the list, I might reconsider the positioning of the Predator, Mantis, Crusader (I don't like this weapon much personally, but some people have a strong preference for it), Widow, Disciple, Avenger, and Viper.  For now though, I'm going to stick with this list, and I'll further consider the weapons' utility relative to each other.

EDIT:  Mentioned that the Graal consistently stuns.  This is a major utility of the weapon, and something the Disciple certainly should have.

EDIT 2: Adding that the Kishock can go through Guardian shields and Reaper armor.

Modifié par DSxCallOfBooty-, 18 juin 2012 - 03:10 .


#100
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Reasonable list, but Kishock is Tier B?

Another brilliant weapon ruined by (apart from that stupid debuff) false reputation, likely perpetrated by lag issues. This weapon should at the very least be Tier-A in this list, if not Tier-S.

What it does:

- Ignores shield-gating.
- 1-shots most mobs with just bodyshots even if only partially charged.
- 1-shots most shielded mobs with partial charged body shot when cloaked (Phantoms included)
- Puts out insane DPS against all mobs, even when compared to other sniper rifles.
- Is tremendously accurate, even at range, after you're used to its projectile's arcing path and once you can adjust your scoped aim as necessary.
- Is great for quick-scoping, even at short ranges.
- Has a blessedly low-power scope.
- Has decent capacity even without ammo mods.

What it doesn't do:

-Pierce cover.
-Allow easy headshots.
-....That's about it, really.

The lag is the real Kishock killer. Host, practice, and you see how good it is, effectively rendering the Widow useless, IMO. Reload-cancel and its competing with the Black Widow.

The trouble with this weapon is that, as is the case with the Graal, it takes a little effort to learn how to use it, something people don't seem to want to put into the game. Case and point: Krysae.