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[Astartes Marine]

waakeegan wrote...
C-Tier:
N7 Eagle (heard this thing sucks bad for the rarity of it)
Geth Pulse Rifle
M-29 Incisor
Phaeston
M-8 Avenger 
M-92 Mantis
M-4 Shuriken
M-23 Katana

Wait...why did you lump all those together with the Eagle?  You're either saying that all those weapons suck as bad as the Eagle or the Eagle is as good as them.  Which is it?

Personally I think all of them except for the Katana, Incisor, and obviously the Eagle can be decent weapons.  Even the Avenger.  By the God-Emperor I just said even the Avenger can be decent.  You have to spec a character for maximum weapon damage and have the appropriate gear equipped but they can be brought into decent/good status.  Even the Shuriken amazingly.

waakeegan wrote...
D-Tier:
Arc Pistol (charging the gun and shooting does a little less
than a Carnifex shot, and it takes long, exposing you to all types of
enemy fire. The singular fire is equivalent to shooting spit balls at
your foe)

It's a tricky weapon but it's like having a Predator for the normal fire and Carnifex for the charged fire in the same gun.  Ammo supply is decent too for a pistol.  Like I said, tricky to use but in the right hands it could do pretty well.

[zephyrsky]

Please change mantis from c to b thanks What its a poor mans widow... come on give it some credit

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Revenant in A tier?


Huh?

[waakeegan]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Revenant in A tier?


Huh?

Put a Revenant on a soldier fully spec'd for weapon damage and use Marksman/Adrenaline. Spits hot fire.

[waakeegan]

zephyrsky wrote...

Please change mantis from c to b thanks What its a poor mans widow... come on give it some credit

It is the poor man's widow, isn't it? Haha.

[weezer1201]

Scorpion got moved to top tier because of the recent weight reduction. You can take it now instead of your carnifex on a power user to deal with the small mobs while using powers on larger enemies. I carry it when I want max recharge on a player.  It is also incredibly deadly on an infiltrator.

Modifié par weezer1201, 18 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[waakeegan]

Teratoid wrote...

Reasonable list, but Kishock is Tier B?

Another brilliant weapon ruined by (apart from that stupid debuff) false reputation, likely perpetrated by lag issues. This weapon should at the very least be Tier-A in this list, if not Tier-S.

What it does:

- Ignores shield-gating.
- 1-shots most mobs with just bodyshots even if only partially charged.
- 1-shots most shielded mobs with partial charged body shot when cloaked (Phantoms included)
- Puts out insane DPS against all mobs, even when compared to other sniper rifles.
- Is tremendously accurate, even at range, after you're used to its projectile's arcing path and once you can adjust your scoped aim as necessary.
- Is great for quick-scoping, even at short ranges.
- Has a blessedly low-power scope.
- Has decent capacity even without ammo mods.

What it doesn't do:

-Pierce cover.
-Allow easy headshots.
-....That's about it, really.

The lag is the real Kishock killer. Host, practice, and you see how good it is, effectively rendering the Widow useless, IMO. Reload-cancel and its competing with the Black Widow.

The trouble with this weapon is that, as is the case with the Graal, it takes a little effort to learn how to use it, something people don't seem to want to put into the game. Case and point: Krysae.

Ok, the Kishock used to be my favorite gun before the patch. I mean cmon, IT SHOOTS HARPOONS. I used to rock it on my Batarian soldier, and run and gun with Balistic Blades/Harpoon combo. Before the nerf, it was the underdog S-tier gun. I revisited my Batarian Soldier Kishock build after the patch, and it was incredibly underwhelming compared to when I first used it. That's why it's a B now.

[bondiboy]

Not a bad effort . Most agree with about 90% of your grouping

[AresKeith]

and the Reegar Carbine is the anti everything gun lol, love it

[GodlessPaladin]

I really have to question a some of these listings.  Nevermind that I don't think generalistic weapon ratings are terribly practical given how many weapons have specific niches (for example, most sniper rifles are garbage if not equipped on an Infiltrator).

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 18 juin 2012 - 04:24 .

[waakeegan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I really have to question a some of these listings.  Nevermind that I don't think generalistic weapon ratings are terribly practical given how many weapons have specific niches (for example, most sniper rifles are garbage if not equipped on an Infiltrator).

No one uses this build, but snipers are also excellent on Human Soldiers. For example, specing a human soldier for damage and specing Adrenaline Rush for weapon damage can give you a constant damage bonus for your whole sniper rifle clip. Adrenaline Rush also has the bonus of instantly reloading your gun, so one could shoot a Widow, use Adrenaline Rush, and shoot the Widow again instantly, this time with increased damage. Snipers can be used on more than just infiltrators.

[Greqo]

I would definitely switch the Kishock Harpoon Gun with the M-37 Falcon.
A KHG can OHK a Brute on Gold.

[Tangster]

Greqo wrote...

I would definitely switch the Kishock Harpoon Gun with the M-37 Falcon.
A KHG can OHK a Brute on Gold.

Not since the patch it can't. 

[Atheosis]

waakeegan wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

I really have to question a some of these listings.  Nevermind that I don't think generalistic weapon ratings are terribly practical given how many weapons have specific niches (for example, most sniper rifles are garbage if not equipped on an Infiltrator).

No one uses this build, but snipers are also excellent on Human Soldiers. For example, specing a human soldier for damage and specing Adrenaline Rush for weapon damage can give you a constant damage bonus for your whole sniper rifle clip. Adrenaline Rush also has the bonus of instantly reloading your gun, so one could shoot a Widow, use Adrenaline Rush, and shoot the Widow again instantly, this time with increased damage. Snipers can be used on more than just infiltrators.

As long as you're using a lighter semi-auto or full auto sniper rifle this is sort of true (heavier sniper rifles conflict too mcuh with AR to make it worth it).  Unfortunately sniper rifles are designed with the Infiltrator-only +40% damage bonus, so you are still gimping yourself. 

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

waakeegan wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Revenant in A tier?


Huh?

Put a Revenant on a soldier fully spec'd for weapon damage and use Marksman/Adrenaline. Spits hot fire.

But wouldn't there be many other weapons more effective? 

Hurricane,talon, Claymore, Reegar, Harrier come to mind. 

Shouldn't an A Tier be worth using for a specfic gimmick or have purpose but maybe just not quite on the level of S tier, rather than a gun that is compltley outclassed by half the S tier? 
To me it seems like even with optimal equiping that the rev is outclassed by many other guns. and without optimal equiping it's C or D tier. 

[Rodrrigoww]

Kalas321 wrote...

Pete Zahut wrote...

Indra should be S tier

Better than the valiant.

Damage sucks on gold and it's too heavy to be used by non infis , then again , if you're to use an infi , you're better off with krysae , bw or valiant.

[waakeegan]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Revenant in A tier?


Huh?

Put a Revenant on a soldier fully spec'd for weapon damage and use Marksman/Adrenaline. Spits hot fire.

But wouldn't there be many other weapons more effective? 

Hurricane,talon, Claymore, Reegar, Harrier come to mind. 

Shouldn't an A Tier be worth using for a specfic gimmick or have purpose but maybe just not quite on the level of S tier, rather than a gun that is compltley outclassed by half the S tier? 
To me it seems like even with optimal equiping that the rev is outclassed by many other guns. and without optimal equiping it's C or D tier. 

When you think of AR's, you think of soldiers. Try putting a Revenant on a Turian soldier with full weapon damage and max Marksman. Also, give the Revenant the ammo mod and the armor piercing mod (being a Turian plus having marksman erases the stability problem). Try it, and it's definitely an A-tier gun. The equipping for a human soldier is a bit different, but its the same concept. The Revenant is a great gun if you know how to use it.

[ToToRoTY]

M-23 Katana, M-27 Scimitar, Geth Pulse Rifle, are the real winners here... I don't know how can anyone use these weapons... Or is the predator just that much better? Predator seems to outrank these threes by a mile...
The Kishock is a little weird, don't know if it's latency or what, it seems does less damage than Carnifex? WTF. The geth smg? dafaq were they thinking... Seems like a bb-gun for kill stealing only...

[Immortal Strife]

Pretty good list Op, but I would switch the Indra and Harrier, and some of the A tier guns are more B tier IMO.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 18 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[RoZh2400]

I agree with pretty much the whole thing, actually. Only changes would be to place the eviscerator and scimitar one tier lower, raise the hurricane above the valiant, and place the mantis above the Vindicator. Highest goddamn DPS, cmon... Also, for everyone who keeps railing on the shuriken and avenger and katana for sucking. They're the COMMON weapons. Of course they suck! The fact that the predator and mantis are arguably quite good as uncommon weapons is *not supposed* to be true, but it IS true, which means shhhhh, don't let Bioware know or they'll nerf them to being crappy weapons, as they should be, since you can get one for 1/4th the cost of an uncommon. Think of it as quality of weapon according to cost. e.g. Scimitar costs 4x as much as a predator (on average), but is so outperformed by it.

[Zorinho20_CRO]

weezer1201 wrote...

Scorpion got moved to top tier because of the recent weight reduction. You can take it now instead of your carnifex on a power user to deal with the small mobs while using powers on larger enemies. I carry it when I want max recharge on a player.  It is also incredibly deadly on an infiltrator.

Scorpion is an amazing weapon and deady on any class.I did successful solo gold run with Kroguard and the Scorpion.

[DarkerCompanion]

Surprised to see the Avenger, Phaeston, and Katana in C-tier. By no means are either of them excellent guns, but they are all very solid; the Avenger and Katana especially, for being STARTER guns and easily upgraded; they are both light and well balanced for their class. The Phaeston, in its current form, its basically a slightly heavier Avenger with an improvement across the board. I would have put them all at low B-tier myself.

On the other hand, surprised to see the Revenant as high as it is. For its extreme weight, it doesn't do much more damage than these other two AR's, but has to contend with absurd recoil. I would have listed that as a B as well.

I'm iffy on the Phalanx. The gun is basically my opinion of a perfectly well balanced weapon; usable at 200% with NO weight reduction training, accurate, good fire rate, decent ammo, decent damage. I guess it lacks amazing usefulness, but its such a reasonable gun that I think it deserves being at Rank A, for really being such a decent pistol for its weight.

Other than that, I think the list is pretty spot on.

[TLK Spires]

ctrl + f'd "falcon", found it in a tier, and unfortunately, that completely invalidates everything you typed. it is an absolute embarrassment of a gun.

[A Wild Snorlax]

TLK Spires wrote...

ctrl + f'd "falcon", found it in a tier, and unfortunately, that completely invalidates everything you typed. it is an absolute embarrassment of a gun.

^ Someone is completely clueless. Falcon is a top tier weapon, easily the best choice for many classes vs geth and cerberus provided you use some equipment on it and know what you're doing. Constant aoe stagger is invaluable for those that lack a power that does it for them, and the instant application of ammo effects is great for certain classes like engineers.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 18 juin 2012 - 07:43 .

[Zeromarro4]

Geth plasma should be somewhere around the eagle in the z tier