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[A Wild Snorlax]

Zeromarro4 wrote...

Geth plasma should be somewhere around the eagle in the z tier

Lol I agree, I face-desk so hard every time I see someone bring a geth smg into gold games. It usually doesn't end well for them.

[DarkerCompanion]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Zeromarro4 wrote...
Geth plasma should be somewhere around the eagle in the z tier

Lol I agree, I face-desk so hard every time I see someone bring a geth smg into gold games. It usually doesn't end well for them.

. . . the GPSMG is actually a pretty good gun, and one of the better SMGs period. Not to mention the only ULM eligible gun. Its excellent on Salarian Engineers, who can take cover behind their Decoys, and despite its relatively low damage, its absurd ammo, RoF, and clip size, it can dish out some pretty impressive damage. Its also surprisingly accurate for its weapon class.

[mybudgee]

I was under the impression that the Indra was terribad...??

[DarkerCompanion]

mybudgee wrote...

I was under the impression that the Indra was terribad...??

I tend to hear a bit of both sides; that if you can maintain your accuracy with headshots, that its DPS is pretty impressive, and it has a very large reservoir of shots. Its also basically a shield-gate eater, and can get off a hefty bit of Cloak damage buff before the duration wears off. Its also remarkably light for a sniper rifle.

But its also pretty weak for regular body-shotting, and like most snipers, probably suffers some on non-Infiltrators. Its low weight might make it a nice gun for Engineers, Sentinels, or Adepts though. Its accuracy is high and its recoil is low, but its not that precise, and keeping a bead on moving targets can be hard.

[Bleachrude]

mybudgee wrote...

I was under the impression that the Indra was terribad...??

It's not a SR anyone can use....

It is one of the few SR that a non-infiltrator I've seen carry thanks to its low weight.

Turian soldier - Marksman gives you higher RoF plus Stability to deal with the recoil...

Add Targeting VI (II is sufficient) which gives you an extra headshot damage increase plus EB and mag increase and I've seen turian soldiers on gold mow down non-armoured mobs faster than Black Widow/Valiant users....

Combine it with a Hurricane and you will still have decent CDs on Proximity Mine/Concussion Shot.

Only time a person could be carrying two guns (with one not named GETH SMG) and still be effective...

[mybudgee]

Hmmmm.....
Now I just need to find one in the store...

[Arkley]

There are too many problems with forming a straight tier list. Many guns are made better or worse by the map or enemy, not to mention the class using them. For example; the Kishock is a pretty great gun used against Cerberus by either an Infiltrator or Stasis-using Asari, but taken against Reapers by a Krogan, it's horrible. Even the mighty Claymore loses something on big maps like Dagger.

[WaffleCrab]

waakeegan wrote...

 I don't know if anyone has done this before and I'm bored, so I'm just gonna go ahead and attempt a shot at making a tier list for weapons in ME. Feel free to give opinions on changes or inquiries as to what makes a gun top tier. This is my first time doing this, so I know it won't be perfect.

so far your list has it right only about ½ of the time.

S-Tier: 
Geth Plasma Shotgun (this gun is fkin stupid lmao)
Krysae Sniper Rifle
N7 Valiant
N7 Hurricane
M-77 Paladin
Black Widow
Cerberus Harrier
M-358 Talon
M-6 Carnifex
M-300 Claymore
Reegar Carbine

A-Tier:
Wraith
M-90 Indra
M-99 Saber
M-98 Widow
M-37 Falcon
M-76 Revenant
Javelin
Scorpion Pistol
Graal Spike Thrower
M-96 Mattock

B-Tier:
Disciple
N7 Crusader
Geth Plasma SMG
Kishock Harpoon Gun
M-25 Hornet
M-9 Tempest
M-97 Viper
M-15 Vindicator
M-13 Raptor
M-5 Phalanx
M-27 Scimitar
M-22 Eviscerator
M-3 Predator
M-92 Mantis

C-Tier:
N7 Eagle (heard this thing sucks bad for the rarity of it)
Geth Pulse Rifle
M-29 Incisor
Phaeston
M-8 Avenger 
M-4 Shuriken
M-23 Katana

D-Tier:
Striker Assault Rifle (this thing puts in no amount of work...sure it staggers and w/e, but it does very little damage for the low ammo capacity that it has)
Arc Pistol (charging the gun and shooting does a little less than a Carnifex shot, and it takes long, exposing you to all types of enemy fire. The singular fire is equivalent to shooting spit balls at your foe)
M-12 Locust (imo, BY FAR the WORST gun in the game. It's accurate, sure, but if I was to tickle you in the same spot I was aiming for every time, would you feel pain eventually?...that's what I thought)

Also i dont believe in tiers other than rarity. every gun has its use and build. and looking at your D-tier i can say your an inexperienced player and you just put the striker there simply because you suck with it. Striker is by far the Best CC weapon out there. and the ammo isnt a problem if you dont suck with it all the time. and like any good CC weapon, its meant to be played with cryo,inc, disruptor or warp ammo. Also, that thing is a beast when taking down bosses, especially atlasses and primes. Also locust is the most accurate SMG out there, its a good and light weapon for rapid fire headshots, till you get the GPsmg, And what comes to arc pistol. i am guessing your one of the idiots who just used it for a couple of rounds, not realizing its best to utilize the charge for stagger then rapid fire to finish off the target.

But yeah

tl:dr

Tiers are for queers, every gun has its use and a build. no such thing as best or worst weapon, only people who suck with the weapon and people who know how to use it.

Modifié par WaffleCrab, 18 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[DarkerCompanion]

WaffleCrab wrote...
every gun has its use and build and looking at your D-tier i can say your an inexperienced player

I saw this and, out of curiousity, was going to ask what you would list as a D-tier weapon, but then . . .

WaffleCrab wrote...
Also i dont believe in tiers other than rarity.

How boring. =( I would have been interesting in your opinion of an underpowered weapon.

[A Wild Snorlax]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Zeromarro4 wrote...
Geth plasma should be somewhere around the eagle in the z tier

Lol I agree, I face-desk so hard every time I see someone bring a geth smg into gold games. It usually doesn't end well for them.

. . . the GPSMG is actually a pretty good gun, and one of the better SMGs period. Not to mention the only ULM eligible gun. Its excellent on Salarian Engineers, who can take cover behind their Decoys, and despite its relatively low damage, its absurd ammo, RoF, and clip size, it can dish out some pretty impressive damage. Its also surprisingly accurate for its weapon class.

If it takes several seconds to kill something on gold even with equipment it's terible, period. 1 paladin shot does more damage than 25 geth smg shots, that should tell you something. Hardly ''impressive'' damage. Same goes for something like the carnifex but then it's more like 1>15 shots.

In addition to the terrible damage, it's fire rate drops every time you use a power, and standing still for several seconds at a time spraying your smg is a good way to get yourself killed and is terribly ineffective.

The only thing it has going for it is ultralight materials. Which isn't even a big plus as you can easily reach 180-200% recharge with the best pistols and the hurricane.

Modifié par A Wild Snorlax, 18 juin 2012 - 09:43 .

[DarkerCompanion]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
If it takes several seconds to kill something on gold even with equipment it's terible, period.

Well, that just eliminated about 80% of the guns in the game . . .

Anyone else like to chime in on this comment here?

[Fennekin]

I feel cool yet somewhat mainstream for using my Black Widow..

[Teratoid]

waakeegan wrote...

Teratoid wrote...

Reasonable list, but Kishock is Tier B?

-snip-

Ok, the Kishock used to be my favorite gun before the patch. I mean cmon, IT SHOOTS HARPOONS. I used to rock it on my Batarian soldier, and run and gun with Balistic Blades/Harpoon combo. Before the nerf, it was the underdog S-tier gun. I revisited my Batarian Soldier Kishock build after the patch, and it was incredibly underwhelming compared to when I first used it. That's why it's a B now.

What exactly did you find underwhelming about it? All that has really changed is the fact that it can't 1HKO the Geth Prime/Banshee/Brutes/Ravagers anymore. Still knocks off every other enemy without much problem.

Then again, Batarain Soldier... Maybe you should give it a shot on an infiltrator.

Modifié par Teratoid, 18 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[Elevon]

Pete Zahut wrote...

Indra should be S tier

Yep only weapon I use and I've virtually all those S tier weapons he has listed,love my M90 Indra.

[Elevon]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
If it takes several seconds to kill something on gold even with equipment it's terible, period.

Well, that just eliminated about 80% of the guns in the game . . .

Anyone else like to chime in on this comment here?

Not everybody plays on Gold,also some weapons are better suited to certain classes playing style etc..You could argue best weapon is what you are good at using.


Btw I always find it funny when you are at a hacking point and  most of team runs out of ammo except me, you could argue ammo capacity can be important at certain times so that could rule out 80% of the guns too    .

Modifié par Elevon, 18 juin 2012 - 12:46 .

[PDHoops]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

TLK Spires wrote...

ctrl + f'd "falcon", found it in a tier, and unfortunately, that completely invalidates everything you typed. it is an absolute embarrassment of a gun.

^ Someone is completely clueless. Falcon is a top tier weapon, easily the best choice for many classes vs geth and cerberus provided you use some equipment on it and know what you're doing. Constant aoe stagger is invaluable for those that lack a power that does it for them, and the instant application of ammo effects is great for certain classes like engineers.

Part of me agrees with the first comment as im absolutely useless with the thing and therefore blame the gun!:innocent:But i've seen players who are excellent with it and it can be devastating.

[Variasaber]

Tangster wrote...

MWaHa wrote...

Variasaber wrote...

Move the Disciple to B rank (it's really not very useful), and move the Phalanx and Hornet up to A; the Phalanx is the perfect backup pistol for its weight, damage, and capacity, and the Hornet is excellent in the right hands.

Can I introduce you to the carnifex?

The Phalanx is excellent if you really need that extra 0.5secs of CD. It might not pack the same punch as the Carnifex, but it's very good in it's own right.

Heh, took the words right out of my mouth  

I don't think of the Carnifex as a backup pistol, but a primary pistol; the Phalanx is better as a backup.

Drawrof wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Drawrof wrote...

No way is the canifex a top tier weapon. It does not have the stopping power for gold

Carnifex
is a top tier weapon because it is lightweight and is capable of 1 shot
kills on gold against unshielded enemies. The power and lightweight
makes it viable to use on Adepts, Engineers, Vanguards, and some races
of Sentinel, who are heavily reliant on quick power usage to be
effective. They get quick recharge without sacrificing weapon damage.
 

Whatever,
the canifex is totally outclassed by the paladin, scorpion, and talon.
 It is a good weapon but since there are much better heavy pistols I
would put it down a category. 

It's outclassed by three ultra-rares, yes. While I agree and would much rather carry my Talon than my Carnifex, given what I just said it's much more likely for someone playing Gold to have a Carnifex X than those three.

[Variasaber]

Elevon wrote...

DarkerCompanion wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
If it takes several seconds to kill something on gold even with equipment it's terible, period.

Well, that just eliminated about 80% of the guns in the game . . .

Anyone else like to chime in on this comment here?

Not everybody plays on Gold,also some weapons are better suited to certain classes playing style etc..You could argue best weapon is what you are good at using.


Btw I always find it funny when you are at a hacking point and  most of team runs out of ammo except me, you could argue ammo capacity can be important at certain times so that could rule out 80% of the guns too    .

No one (at least, no one reasonable) disagrees with what you're saying; I personally am terrible with the Paladin and Widow and don't like them at all. It's all about what you're comfortable with.
However, the point of the tier list is to sort out weapons to determine viability in Gold. When Snorlax says that a gun is "terrible" I think he means "terrible for Gold."

[WaffleCrab]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...
every gun has its use and build and looking at your D-tier i can say your an inexperienced player

I saw this and, out of curiousity, was going to ask what you would list as a D-tier weapon, but then . . .

WaffleCrab wrote...
Also i dont believe in tiers other than rarity.

How boring. =( I would have been interesting in your opinion of an underpowered weapon.

because there is no under powered weapons, just people who dont know how to use the weapon to its potential

[Epsilon330]

Actually, an Arc Pistol X can positively shred any enemy with Piercing and Extended Barrel on Silver. I'd say low-A at least.

[Elevon]

Variasaber wrote...

Elevon wrote...

DarkerCompanion wrote...

A Wild Snorlax wrote...
If it takes several seconds to kill something on gold even with equipment it's terible, period.

Well, that just eliminated about 80% of the guns in the game . . .

Anyone else like to chime in on this comment here?

Not everybody plays on Gold,also some weapons are better suited to certain classes playing style etc..You could argue best weapon is what you are good at using.


Btw I always find it funny when you are at a hacking point and  most of team runs out of ammo except me, you could argue ammo capacity can be important at certain times so that could rule out 80% of the guns too    .

No one (at least, no one reasonable) disagrees with what you're saying; I personally am terrible with the Paladin and Widow and don't like them at all. It's all about what you're comfortable with.
However, the point of the tier list is to sort out weapons to determine viability in Gold. When Snorlax says that a gun is "terrible" I think he means "terrible for Gold."

Its not clear its for Gold ,you also have to remember there are more players playing on Bronze and Silver then Gold however point taken.

[Variasaber]

I hate to post three times on one page, but the Phalanx really ought to be in A tier. Its damage is lower than the Carnifex of course, but according to this it has higher single-clip DPS. While not much of a primary weapon, it's arguably the best lightweight backup in the game; especially if you didn't put AP mod on your primary weapon and need something to deal with Guardians.

[IndigoVitare]

D catagory is unnecessary, I'd merge them into C.

Striker and Phaeston should both be in B.

From what I hear about Wraith X, it should be in S.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

I've put countless hours into mp and tried every weapon, all rare/uncommon/common ones at x, some ultra rare ones at II to IV even, and I completely agree with this list.

[jd641]

No love for the Collector Assault Rifle?