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[jd641]

*Delete this double post

Modifié par jd641, 18 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[d_nought]

S-Tier - Total domination on almost any class:

Falcon

Geth Plasma Shotgun
Claymore

Paladin
Talon (WHICH I STILL DON'T HAVE YET GODDAMMIT BIOWARE)

A+ tier - weapons that are very useful on most classes, some slight disadvantges, but generally very well worth having:

N7 Valiant

Cerberus Harrier

Reegar
Graal
Wraith

Carnifex

N7 Hurricane


A tier - great damage, but with some limitations, OR good backup weapon:

Krysae

Mattock

Scorpion
Phalanx

Hornet

B tier - niche weapons that may work well on certain classes but very poorly on others, very heavy weapons or decent backup weapons but ultimately a stepping stone:

Black Widow (h8ers gonna hate)
Javelin
Widow
Indra
Raptor
Mantis

Saber
Revenant
Phaeston

Eviscerator
N7 Crusader
Scimitar

Tempest



C Tier - Somewhat ho hum:

Kishock post nerf

Vindicator

Disciple

N7 Eagle
Arc Pistol


D Tier - Heavy risk, no priiiiiiiiize:

Viper
Incisor

Avenger
Geth Pulse Rifle
Striker

Katana

Shuriken
Geth Plasma SMG
Locust

Predator

I assessed more on general usefulness rather than DPS, which seems to be as much a function of class as gun.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 18 juin 2012 - 05:38 .

[Fallen Angel707]

Arc Pistol (charging the gun and shooting does a little less than a Carnifex shot, and it takes long, exposing you to all types of enemy fire. The singular fire is equivalent to shooting spit balls at your foe)


the Arc Pistol in my opinion is a A-Tier weapon I can 2 shot shielded geth on gold with it

[alchemysol]

I think the geth pulse rifle should be B rank, it's extremely accurate and when used with the geth damage boost it can rip through anything. It's the only AR use. maybe at ranks 1-3 it sucks but I love it at rank 6

[astheoceansblue]

Graal should be in s-class, imo.

lol at the guy suggesting B.Widow should be in lower... 

Modifié par astheoceansblue, 18 juin 2012 - 05:15 .

[waakeegan]

Responding to WaffleCrab's comment, I must say you came off as quite a dick. One, I am not an inexperienced player: I have a legit 1300k+ N7 rating, have all the characters unlocked, have all common, uncommon, and rare weapons at X level, always play on Gold difficulty (not firebase white geth, random/random) and 9/10 run top score on my team on any class. I have used the Striker Assault Rifle on countless builds, and it is a bad weapon on all of them. I've never seen anyone use the Striker on Gold difficulty and be useful with it, which is why I placed it in D-Rank. The Locust is a joke of a weapon: I once saw an infiltrator on Gold use it and take TWO clips to kill an armored HUSK. Sure they were body shots, but a WHOLE CLIP? That's just stupid. As for the Arc pistol, it's not good to use it on gold because the time it takes to charge the gun for decent damage, you are exposed to enemy fire, and on Gold, enemy fire kills you fairly quickly.

Here's my manifest if you still want to talk sh*t. http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

Modifié par waakeegan, 18 juin 2012 - 05:36 .

[waakeegan]

IndigoVitare wrote...

D catagory is unnecessary, I'd merge them into C.

Striker and Phaeston should both be in B.

From what I hear about Wraith X, it should be in S.

Nah, D category is necessary. D category is a category that pinpoints the WORST weapons in the game. In this case, those three weapons are the WORST guns in the game. As for the Striker, I fail to see any usefulness in that gun. It staggers, but that's all it has going for it. The Wraith used to be in S tier but everyone seemed to disagree so I changed it to A

[waakeegan]

astheoceansblue wrote...

Graal should be in s-class, imo.

lol at the guy suggesting B.Widow should be in lower... 

That's definitely arguable, the Graal is a great weapon...does anyone else agree that the Graal should be in S-class?

[Variasaber]

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest if you still want to talk sh*t. http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

Whoa, you really lucked out on Commendation Packs  

[sy7ar]

carnifex above claymore lolol

[waakeegan]

Variasaber wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest if you still want to talk sh*t. http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

Whoa, you really lucked out on Commendation Packs  

Lawl the Valiant lV is incredible. Still, I want a Crusader or an Eagle D:

[waakeegan]

sy7ar wrote...

carnifex above claymore lolol

This list is in no specific order. But yes, they are in the same tier.

[fabfreebird]

Can someone explain how to use the Striker effectively on gold? I just can't get this thing to work...

[waakeegan]

fabfreebird wrote...

Can someone explain how to use the Striker effectively on gold? I just can't get this thing to work...

I think you need to train with it so that it can evolve into a Falcon and actually be good. Until then, it's a Magicarp.

[WaffleCrab]

waakeegan wrote...

Responding to WaffleCrab's comment, I must say you came off as quite a dick. One, I am not an inexperienced player: I have a legit 1300k+ N7 rating, have all the characters unlocked, have all common, uncommon, and rare weapons at X level, always play on Gold difficulty (not firebase white geth, random/random) and 9/10 run top score on my team on any class. I have used the Striker Assault Rifle on countless builds, and it is a bad weapon on all of them. I've never seen anyone use the Striker on Gold difficulty and be useful with it, which is why I placed it in D-Rank. The Locust is a joke of a weapon: I once saw an infiltrator on Gold use it and take TWO clips to kill an armored HUSK. Sure they were body shots, but a WHOLE CLIP? That's just stupid. As for the Arc pistol, it's not good to use it on gold because the time it takes to charge the gun for decent damage, you are exposed to enemy fire, and on Gold, enemy fire kills you fairly quickly.

Here's my manifest if you still want to talk sh*t. http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

having good weapons does not automatically prove you are a good player, so yeah i say your still full of it. I will repeat my shorter message with a tad of clarification. Tiers are for queers. Every gun has its use, if you dont know how to use the gun/if you havent found a build for it, does not make it a bad weapon, but it makes you a bad/inexperienced player for labeling the weapon bad because of it.

And for the record, i see strikers being used effectively on daily basis. same goes for locust and arc pistol.

[fabfreebird]

I rarely see Striker's being used effectively. I'm not saying they aren't (even though I haven't found use for them) but I rarely see them. What platform do you play on? They're rare on XBOX

[GodlessPaladin]

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest .... http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

OP has no Talon, thinks Carnifex is where it's at.
OP has no Indra, thinks Valiant is hot stuff.
OP has no Eagle, ranks next to Katana.
OP ranks Mattock and Disciple next to weapons that show up in <12 minute speedruns.

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waakeegan wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote... many weapons have specific niches (for example, most sniper rifles are
garbage if not equipped on an Infiltrator).

No one uses this build, but snipers are also excellent on Human Soldiers. For example, specing a human soldier for damage and specing Adrenaline Rush for weapon damage can give you a constant damage bonus for your whole sniper rifle clip.

There's a reason people don't use that build.

You don't seem to realize that you can get the tactical cloak bonus for all 3 shots from the Valiant or BW and most of the shots from the Indra's clip.  I also have to wonder if you know that the rank 6 bonus from Tactical Cloak is a multiplier and doesn't work like almost every other % damage bonus in the game...

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 18 juin 2012 - 11:34 .

[holdenagincourt]

Two things.

fabfreebird wrote...

I rarely see Striker's being used effectively. I'm not saying they aren't (even though I haven't found use for them) but I rarely see them. What platform do you play on? They're rare on XBOX

You might try looking at this thread I recently started: Opinions on the Striker Assault Rifle. There are a lot of interesting tips about how to use it there. I personally haven't gotten it above middling effectiveness on gold but I don't doubt that some of the people in there have.

WaffleCrab wrote...
Tiers are for queers.

Really? <_<

[Yajuu Omoi]

Ponuto wrote...

eagle should have a z category for itself that gun is as bad as it can get

Try using it before you call it bad. It rivals the Carnifex.

And putting the Phaeston and GPR that low? You've gotta be KIDDING!! Those are at LEAST B-class weapons!!

The GSMG is NOT better than the GPR. Period. Ever.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 18 juin 2012 - 11:25 .

[waakeegan]

WaffleCrab wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Responding to WaffleCrab's comment, I must say you came off as quite a dick. One, I am not an inexperienced player: I have a legit 1300k+ N7 rating, have all the characters unlocked, have all common, uncommon, and rare weapons at X level, always play on Gold difficulty (not firebase white geth, random/random) and 9/10 run top score on my team on any class. I have used the Striker Assault Rifle on countless builds, and it is a bad weapon on all of them. I've never seen anyone use the Striker on Gold difficulty and be useful with it, which is why I placed it in D-Rank. The Locust is a joke of a weapon: I once saw an infiltrator on Gold use it and take TWO clips to kill an armored HUSK. Sure they were body shots, but a WHOLE CLIP? That's just stupid. As for the Arc pistol, it's not good to use it on gold because the time it takes to charge the gun for decent damage, you are exposed to enemy fire, and on Gold, enemy fire kills you fairly quickly.

Here's my manifest if you still want to talk sh*t. http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

having good weapons does not automatically prove you are a good player, so yeah i say your still full of it. I will repeat my shorter message with a tad of clarification. Tiers are for queers. Every gun has its use, if you dont know how to use the gun/if you havent found a build for it, does not make it a bad weapon, but it makes you a bad/inexperienced player for labeling the weapon bad because of it.

And for the record, i see strikers being used effectively on daily basis. same goes for locust and arc pistol.

I am a good player, but that was not what I was trying to prove. I was proving that I was an experienced player, which you claimed I wasn't. I have used the locust X on Engineers, Adepts, Vanguards, Soldiers, Sentinels, and even Infiltrators on numerous races, and its ****ty every time. The only argument that can be made for a weapon that I listed to be out of D class is the Striker Assault Rifle, but the Locust is definitely crap. And if after this you still think it's good, then you sir need to stop playing Bronze.

As for this "Tiers are for queers" crap you keep spewing, stop repeating slogans you heard somewhere on the internet because you think it sounds cool.

[waakeegan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest .... http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

OP has no Talon, thinks Carnifex is where it's at.
OP has no Indra, thinks Valiant is hot stuff.
OP has no Eagle, ranks next to Katana.
OP ranks Mattock and Disciple next to weapons that show up in <12 minute speedruns.

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I've seen the Talon being used, which is why I put it in S-Tier. Carnifex is also an S-Tier gun because it can get easy headshots on Gold, is Light, and has good ammo capacity. I've tried the Indra on a friend's account, which is why I put it in A-Rank. The Valiant IS hot stuff, comparable with the Black Widow. I've seen friends use the Eagle, and everyone tells me it's crap, but that is still negotiable because I haven't tested that yet. I moved the Disciple to B rank, and the Mattock is an excellent Assault Rifle. I don't see your point at all. I also said the list wasn't perfect, as it was my first attempt at making one. 

[ExcitedApathy]

Thank you for this thread. I was wondering over the weekend if someone had done this type of thread. It provides some needed insight to people who don't know why certain weapons are better than others.

[GodlessPaladin]

waakeegan wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest .... http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

OP has no Talon, thinks Carnifex is where it's at.
OP has no Indra, thinks Valiant is hot stuff.
OP has no Eagle, ranks next to Katana.
OP ranks Mattock and Disciple next to weapons that show up in <12 minute speedruns.

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I've seen the Talon being used, which is why I put it in S-Tier. Carnifex is also an S-Tier gun because it can get easy headshots on Gold, is Light, and has good ammo capacity. I've tried the Indra on a friend's account, which is why I put it in A-Rank. The Valiant IS hot stuff, comparable with the Black Widow. I've seen friends use the Eagle, and everyone tells me it's crap, but that is still negotiable because I haven't tested that yet. I moved the Disciple to B rank, and the Mattock is an excellent Assault Rifle. I don't see your point at all. I also said the list wasn't perfect, as it was my first attempt at making one. 

How often have you seen guns used to their potential rather than just saying that you played with it on so and so's account or saw some friend use it?  For example, here's the Scorpion:  www.youtube.com/watch

Whereas your so called "excellent assault rifle" does roughly half the damage of actual excellent automatic weapons like the Harrier (and is more inaccurate to boot).  On top of that, it requires constant rapid fire clicking to get out said damage.  But let's look at another weapon in the same tier... the Revenant, which does much more DPS, carries 108 shots and is thus pretty much firing all day, regularly staggers groups of enemies, and still relies on synergies that the Mattock can't get to be useful.  But that's not all, you also compare it to the SABER, which also does more sustained and burst DPS (dealing as much as a Paladin with every shot since the buff) but is also *pinpoint accurate,* considerably better against armor, and easily able to kill more enemies per clip.  With my Saber 6 I can already two-shot any shielded Cerberus mook (including Phantoms) and one-shot any unshielded one, and I get 8-14 shots of that.

Here's an example of the Revenant being used properly:  www.youtube.com/watch
Here's a decent demonstration of the Saber (though it's pre-buffs.  The Saber is better than this now):  www.youtube.com/watch

So tell me, what does the Mattock offer?  Inferior DPS?  Poor accuracy?  A short clip?  Maybe you'll pretend that its 0.7 weight makes it relevant, though you put the Hornet a tier below it, which does the Mattock's job but is lighter, has a bigger clip (especially if you use a thermal clip mod), and does more DPS (both burst and sustained).  Oh, and it's even easier to click for its maximum fire rate.  And yet you rate the Mattock a tier higher than it.

Or perhaps I should compare the Mattock to something you put in D tier:  The Arc Pistol.  The Arc Pistol has nearly the same DPS as the Carnifex, but gets free extra damage from charges between encounters or lining up shots.  It also has shield-gate piercing headshots, which can be augmented to be deadly.  It also weighs less than the Mattock.  It even has a better than normal targeting reticule.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 19 juin 2012 - 02:09 .

[weezer1201]

There are guns that become S-tier situationally based on class, race or map you are playing. There are three weapons that are S-tier regardless. Maybe you should move everything down a rank and only have Claymore, GPS, and Paladin as true S-tier weapons.

[Kuato Livezz]

Ok, I've never had any luck with the Katana, even at "X". In bronze, its ok, mainly due to its weight. But without mods, its not a great choice in silver or gold. I wouldn't even bother wasting mods on it. Its nice to see that it just wasn't me.