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[xxrufus7xx]

I feel that the Striker is getting a bad wrap. I use it on Gold and Silver all the time on my turian sent and seem to be pretty effective with it as I usually have the high score on both difficulties. Its a good weapon and certainly shouldn't be d rank.

[Teratoid]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ponuto wrote...

eagle should have a z category for itself that gun is as bad as it can get

Try using it before you call it bad. It rivals the Carnifex.

And putting the Phaeston and GPR that low? You've gotta be KIDDING!! Those are at LEAST B-class weapons!!

The GSMG is NOT better than the GPR. Period. Ever.

This has to be the most subtle troll attempt every. So subtle I almost raged, but then caught on.

I did catch on, right? Cuz you were trolling.

...Right?

[waakeegan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

waakeegan wrote...

Here's my manifest .... http://social.biowar...lay=multiplayer

OP has no Talon, thinks Carnifex is where it's at.
OP has no Indra, thinks Valiant is hot stuff.
OP has no Eagle, ranks next to Katana.
OP ranks Mattock and Disciple next to weapons that show up in <12 minute speedruns.

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I've seen the Talon being used, which is why I put it in S-Tier. Carnifex is also an S-Tier gun because it can get easy headshots on Gold, is Light, and has good ammo capacity. I've tried the Indra on a friend's account, which is why I put it in A-Rank. The Valiant IS hot stuff, comparable with the Black Widow. I've seen friends use the Eagle, and everyone tells me it's crap, but that is still negotiable because I haven't tested that yet. I moved the Disciple to B rank, and the Mattock is an excellent Assault Rifle. I don't see your point at all. I also said the list wasn't perfect, as it was my first attempt at making one. 

How often have you seen guns used to their potential rather than just saying that you played with it on so and so's account or saw some friend use it?  For example, here's the Scorpion:  www.youtube.com/watch

Whereas your so called "excellent assault rifle" does roughly half the damage of actual excellent automatic weapons like the Harrier (and is more inaccurate to boot).  On top of that, it requires constant rapid fire clicking to get out said damage.  But let's look at another weapon in the same tier... the Revenant, which does much more DPS, carries 108 shots and is thus pretty much firing all day, regularly staggers groups of enemies, and still relies on synergies that the Mattock can't get to be useful.  But that's not all, you also compare it to the SABER, which also does more sustained and burst DPS (dealing as much as a Paladin with every shot since the buff) but is also *pinpoint accurate,* considerably better against armor, and easily able to kill more enemies per clip.  With my Saber 6 I can already two-shot any shielded Cerberus mook (including Phantoms) and one-shot any unshielded one, and I get 8-14 shots of that.

Here's an example of the Revenant being used properly:  www.youtube.com/watch
Here's a decent demonstration of the Saber (though it's pre-buffs.  The Saber is better than this now):  www.youtube.com/watch

So tell me, what does the Mattock offer?  Inferior DPS?  Poor accuracy?  A short clip?  Maybe you'll pretend that its 0.7 weight makes it relevant, though you put the Hornet a tier below it, which does the Mattock's job but is lighter, has a bigger clip (especially if you use a thermal clip mod), and does more DPS (both burst and sustained).  Oh, and it's even easier to click for its maximum fire rate.  And yet you rate the Mattock a tier higher than it.

Or perhaps I should compare the Mattock to something you put in D tier:  The Arc Pistol.  The Arc Pistol has nearly the same DPS as the Carnifex, but gets free extra damage from charges between encounters or lining up shots.  It also has shield-gate piercing headshots, which can be augmented to be deadly.  It also weighs less than the Mattock.  It even has a better than normal targeting reticule.

All of the weapons you are saying are great at their full potential I have taken into account and placed them in the appropriate Tiers, so I don't see the point you're trying to prove about that. However, you have quite thoroughly made your point about the Mattock, and I recognize that. I will put the Mattock in B-Tier. The arc pistol, however, is still a ****ty gun. Mind linking a video of someone using that well on Gold? 

[waakeegan]

xxrufus7xx wrote...

I feel that the Striker is getting a bad wrap. I use it on Gold and Silver all the time on my turian sent and seem to be pretty effective with it as I usually have the high score on both difficulties. Its a good weapon and certainly shouldn't be d rank.

How many of you guys feel the same way as xxrufus7xx?

[Feneckus]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

For example, here's the Scorpion:  www.youtube.com/watch

Here's an example of the Revenant being used properly:  www.youtube.com/watch

If you want to prove how effective a weapon can be, don't show how great it is with a GI ...

[Dasher1010]

This is so wrong. The Mattock is one of the best guns in the game. Also, the Striker and Arc Pistol don't suck.

[ThatQuarianGuy]

 I just discovered the Graal Spike Thrower yesterday.  After using nothing but it on over ten Gold matches, I agree with A Tier.

[waakeegan]

Dasher1010 wrote...

This is so wrong. The Mattock is one of the best guns in the game. Also, the Striker and Arc Pistol don't suck.

I also think that the Mattock is one of the best guns in the game, but the other guy was so hell-bent on proving me otherwise that I moved it to B tier. Also, the Striker might have an argument for it, but the Arc Pistol definitely sucks on Gold. Period.

[Cyonan]

waakeegan wrote...

I also think that the Mattock is one of the best guns in the game, but the other guy was so hell-bent on proving me otherwise that I moved it to B tier. Also, the Striker might have an argument for it, but the Arc Pistol definitely sucks on Gold. Period.

The Mattock is a very good gun. I don't know about "one of the best", but certainly still very good.

I also think that the Striker is not a terrible weapon. Nothing amazing, but very usable.

As for the Arc Pistol. If you fire it without charging the shots, then it does more damage per shot than a Predator and can fire faster(if you can click the mouse that fast), so I would make the argument that at the very least, it should be on par with the Predator.

[GodlessPaladin]

Cyonan wrote...
As for the Arc Pistol. If you fire it without charging the shots, then it does more damage per shot than a Predator and can fire faster(if you can click the mouse that fast), so I would make the argument that at the very least, it should be on par with the Predator.

Seems like common sense, doesn't it?

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 19 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[Cyonan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
As for the Arc Pistol. If you fire it without charging the shots, then it does more damage per shot than a Predator and can fire faster(if you can click the mouse that fast), so I would make the argument that at the very least, it should be on par with the Predator.

Seems like common sense, doesn't it?

I would actually like to start a petition to rename common sense to something else.

As my time spend in customer service and retail has shown me: it is many things, but common is most certainly not one of them.

Modifié par Cyonan, 19 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[GodlessPaladin]

True enough.  Sense that should be common, then.

The thing about your tiers, OP, is that it seems a lot like you just threw things wherever willy-nilly and haven't really critically cross-examined guns against each other, as evidenced by things like placing the Arc Pistol and Eagle below the Predator.  And when you change tiers, you sound like you're doing it because their position was unpopular rather than because you actually were swayed by evidence.

You're going to hear less people loving the Wraith for example just because the primary advantages of the Wraith (such as its weight) don't really manifest themselves until you get it to high level, and few get it to high level.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 19 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[holdenagincourt]

Cyonan wrote...

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Cyonan wrote...
As for the Arc Pistol. If you fire it without charging the shots, then it does more damage per shot than a Predator and can fire faster(if you can click the mouse that fast), so I would make the argument that at the very least, it should be on par with the Predator.

Seems like common sense, doesn't it?

I would actually like to start a petition to rename common sense to something else.

As my time spend in customer service and retail has shown me: it is many things, but common is most certainly not one of them.

As has my time in the IT world. 

[waakeegan]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

True enough.  Sense that should be common, then.

The thing about your tiers, OP, is that it seems a lot like you just threw things wherever willy-nilly and haven't really critically cross-examined guns against each other, as evidenced by things like placing the Arc Pistol and Eagle below the Predator.  And when you change tiers, you sound like you're doing it because their position was unpopular rather than because you actually were swayed by evidence.

You're going to hear less people loving the Wraith for example just because the primary advantages of the Wraith (such as its weight) don't really manifest themselves until you get it to high level, and few get it to high level.

Like I said before, the list isn't perfect, it's a rough draft. Sooner or later I will attempt another list. It already took a long time to make THIS list. 

[Fisterbear]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

Its a horrible shotgun only decent in the hands of NovaCharge Vanguards... and we all know how usefull those are in Gold.

Yes. WE do.



 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0S7JeHypYU 

Do you? 

"Bottom line any class can be good in the right hands..."

Modifié par Fisterbear, 19 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[Horace530]

Carnifex is ****, or at least no way it's gonna work well in gold
Javelin is freaking good! The first time I went for a gold match with a Geth Infiltrator and Javelin II and I ended up in the 2nd place
This gun could headshot almost everything once you know the trick!
Scorpion is perfect for crowd control or someone like a super Hacker!

[Fisterbear]

fabfreebird wrote...

The Valiant is awesome. Yes, it does not armor pierce without a mod which is understandable, but that does not justify the hate this gun is receiving. People are forgetting how fast it reloads (it reloads like an Avenger), how much ammo it has, its very fast fire rate and how much damage it does when put in the hands of a decent Infiltrator. Haters gon' hate.

I think I've figured something out.

People keep saying "The valiant reloads like the avenger."

Ok. But it uh, has the EXACT SAME reload animation/time as the Viper. The gun everyone hates on.

You know, the gun that at X does 28 less damage per shot than a Valiant I with twice as many shots. Same fire rate and reload.

So people not comparing the reload to a gun that has the same reload tells me it's likely that no one has even USED the Viper.

Now I'm not saying the Viper is a great gun, but it's better than what it gets credit for and isn't that bad compared to its beefier brother the Valiant.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Teratoid wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ponuto wrote...

eagle should have a z category for itself that gun is as bad as it can get

Try using it before you call it bad. It rivals the Carnifex.

And putting the Phaeston and GPR that low? You've gotta be KIDDING!! Those are at LEAST B-class weapons!!

The GSMG is NOT better than the GPR. Period. Ever.

This has to be the most subtle troll attempt every. So subtle I almost raged, but then caught on.

I did catch on, right? Cuz you were trolling.

...Right?

Not trolling. I'm COMPLETELY serious.

The Seth SMG...is NOT better than the GPR. period. And the Phaeston? put it on the class it was built for, a Turian Soldier, it mows down crowds, granted there are weapons better than the Phaeston at the same level, but the Phaeston is easier to level up than most of them.

[Teratoid]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Teratoid wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Ponuto wrote...

eagle should have a z category for itself that gun is as bad as it can get

Try using it before you call it bad. It rivals the Carnifex.

And putting the Phaeston and GPR that low? You've gotta be KIDDING!! Those are at LEAST B-class weapons!!

The GSMG is NOT better than the GPR. Period. Ever.

This has to be the most subtle troll attempt every. So subtle I almost raged, but then caught on.

I did catch on, right? Cuz you were trolling.

...Right?

Not trolling. I'm COMPLETELY serious.

The Seth SMG...is NOT better than the GPR. period. And the Phaeston? put it on the class it was built for, a Turian Soldier, it mows down crowds, granted there are weapons better than the Phaeston at the same level, but the Phaeston is easier to level up than most of them.

.....I see.

Eagle does not rival the Carnifex, simply because its damage per shot is too low. You've got to track the target for far longer, exposing yourself to enemy fire which, on Gold, can get you killed fairly quickly.

I've got no opinion on the Geth SMG. Tried it, didn't like it, dumped it. I will say that the GPR is a pretty dismal weapon, so meh to it too.

The Phaeston does simply too little damage to be Gold viable.  It might be slightly better than the GPR, but that's not saying much, truthfully. Comparing it to similar class weapons would bring in the Mattock and the
Vindicator into play, both of which outclass it in every way except for clip  capacity. And weight, I suppose. If you want a fully auto weapon to play with, you're better of with the Tempest SMG than you are with either the GPR or the Phaeston.

EDIT: And yes, both the GPR and the Phaeston are low-tier weapons, so the B-class tag fits them perfectly. Gold quickly makes you realize that semi-auto/single-shot weapons are far superior to the fully auto weapons (with the exception of the Harrier, Hurricane, and Revenant).

Modifié par Teratoid, 20 juin 2012 - 03:02 .