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[Elhanan]

fchopin wrote...

I hope you guys don't get upset but i could only play Skyrim for a few hours and then gave up, was bored.

I may try the game again some time but i cant play games without some kind of story.

If you wish direction rather than freestyle, simply follow your guide to Riverwwod, accept quests and then travel to Whiterun. There is plenty of scripted direction in the Main Story for those that enjoy it. IMO.

[Persephone]

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Persephone: Selective memory? Not at all. I just don't really remember. But then I got more important things to do than follow gaming hypes closely, like studying for my university degree. It doesn't matter anyway. To me the most important thing is whether a game is good and entertaining. I don't care about hypes.

Well, I did both. Like...getting my degree and following games that might interest me.

[Persephone]

Skelter192 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Persephone: I don't see how DA:O is overrated...In any case I don't remember it being overhyped like ME 3...

Ah, selective memory. DAO was HYPED for YEARS. Literally. Overhyped too.

"Spiritual Successor to the BG Saga"

Me: Ahahahahahaha! 

Are you trying to make me cry? 

Yup. My life's supreme desire.

Gimme some tears, RPG fan! 

[Elhanan]

Persephone wrote...

Unmodded TES games are dull as dishwater to me.

Oblivion being the worst offender. Skyrim lost my interest after a few hours.

Never mind the bugs, the hype and me thinking that modded Morrowind (GOTY edition) reduces Skyrim to a shiny but empty shell. Lotsa people I know refer to it as gilded lead.

And yeah, TW2 is overrated too. (Much as I love it). As is DAO. And stuff.

A suggestion from this Bioware junkie:  try reading some of the included written lore found all over the place. This is where some of the better writing and mood may be found (eg; Kodlaks Journal in the Companion storyline, the messages and writings found in Frostflow Lighthouse are among my faves).

And be sure to seek out both Esbern and the Greybeards; what RP junkie does not want to hear Max von Sydow and Christopher Plaummer as mentors?

[Han Shot First]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Warlord: I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want to buy an RPG, not a visual orgy, you see.

I dunno, I never played Witcher 2. 

I'm not into the whole "virtual orgy" thing myslef.. but that's just me.

Have no fear: The Witcher 2 is not a virtual orgy.

While the sex scenes are more graphic (and juvenile, IMO) than those in Mass Effect, there aren't a lot of them unless the player has Geralt shag every prostitute that crosses his path and pursue every 'romanceable' character. The player for example could have Geralt be entirely lotal to Triss, a companion that Geralt starts the game in a relationship with. If the player goes that route there is only one or two sex scenes depending on player choices. One happens by default early in the game and the other potentially happens on a mission *if* you bring Triss along. Geralt has the option of telling Triss that he's going alone, in which case the second sex scene doesn't happen.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 juin 2012 - 07:24 .

[Persephone]

Han Shot First wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ivandra Ceruden wrote...

@Warlord: I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want to buy an RPG, not a visual orgy, you see.

I dunno, I never played Witcher 2. 

I'm not into the whole "virtual orgy" thing myslef.. but that's just me.

Have no fear: The Witcher 2 is not a virtual orgy.

While the sex scenes are more graphic (and juvenile, IMO) than those in Mass Effect, there aren't a lot of them unless the player has Geralt shag every prostitute that crosses his path and pursue every 'romanceable' character. .

Which only reminds me that CDPR FORCES you into that relationship. Previous choices be damned.

If Bioware had done that...I.E. FORCING you into bed with your ME1 LI despite having picked someone else in ME2....Ooooooooh, the INFERNO!

[Melra]

Witcher 2 and Skyrim, both highly overrated games. Wasn't able to finish either, before I had enough.

[AtreiyaN7]

Graphics-wise, I enjoyed Skyrim, but having seen brilliant examples of what good textures can be like recently, I'm going to say that it is, perhaps, a bit overrated. Nothing I've tried makes it better, and it does annoy me just a bit at this point (since Skyrim's big selling point is, in part, the graphics).

I have other games that deliver a bit more in terms of story, voice-acting, AND have graphics that make me salivate, so eh. I'm sort of almost done with Skyrim, but I don't feel compelled to finish it atm. I just keep thinking that if I play the game and fast-travel, I'm going to have another supremely annoying dragon to deal with and will then have to drop another pile of bones and scales off at my residence.

[AngryFrozenWater]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Graphics-wise, I enjoyed Skyrim, but having seen brilliant examples of what good textures can be like recently, I'm going to say that it is, perhaps, a bit overrated. Nothing I've tried makes it better, and it does annoy me just a bit at this point (since Skyrim's big selling point is, in part, the graphics).

I have other games that deliver a bit more in terms of story, voice-acting, AND have graphics that make me salivate, so eh. I'm sort of almost done with Skyrim, but I don't feel compelled to finish it atm. I just keep thinking that if I play the game and fast-travel, I'm going to have another supremely annoying dragon to deal with and will then have to drop another pile of bones and scales off at my residence.

Fast travel or not, dragons are everywhere. Opening your front door is enough.

[Cutlass Jack]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Fast travel or not, dragons are everywhere. Opening your front door is enough.

There goes my property values.

[ejoslin]

I wonder with Skyrim, if the people who really weren't that crazy about it are the people who do not like reading the books. I LOVE the books -- it brings me deeper into the world. I find the game beautiful, but maybe my standards are lower as the last few games I played were not so great graphics-wise.

I never was able to get into the Witcher 2. For some reason, I don't enjoy playing a male protagonist.

[happy_daiz]

^ I think your sentiments are echoed by many, at least from what I see in the Skyrim thread.

I've heard that some think that the only things in Skyrim to do are marked on a map. So not the case. If you don't read the books, or explore, you miss out on a whole lot of story. There are so many things you can find out in the wild that will never be marked on a map, or part of a quest, that enrich the experience.

Honestly, I think Skyrim just isn't the right game for some people. In that scenario, we just have to agree to disagree.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 18 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[Han Shot First]

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I think your sentiments are echoed by many, at least from what I see in the Skyrim thread.

I've heard that some think that the only things in Skyrim to do are marked on a map. So not the case. If you don't read the books, or explore, you miss out on a whole lot of story. There are so many things you can find out in the wild that will never be marked on a map, or part of a quest, that enrich the experience.

Reading the books in game is bit like reading codex entries in Mass Effect. It fills you in on the lore or the history of the universe, but it doesn't take the place of meaningful character interaction or dialogue. Unlike Mass Effect Skyrim lacks for both meaningful character interaction and good dialogue, as do most Bethesda games. In Bethesda's defense however, I don't think they set out with any intention to create really interesting characters. The selling point for the games is always the game world rather than the characters that populate it.

[Aeowyn]

Elhanan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Unmodded TES games are dull as dishwater to me.

Oblivion being the worst offender. Skyrim lost my interest after a few hours.

Never mind the bugs, the hype and me thinking that modded Morrowind (GOTY edition) reduces Skyrim to a shiny but empty shell. Lotsa people I know refer to it as gilded lead.

And yeah, TW2 is overrated too. (Much as I love it). As is DAO. And stuff.

A suggestion from this Bioware junkie:  try reading some of the included written lore found all over the place. This is where some of the better writing and mood may be found (eg; Kodlaks Journal in the Companion storyline, the messages and writings found in Frostflow Lighthouse are among my faves).

And be sure to seek out both Esbern and the Greybeards; what RP junkie does not want to hear Max von Sydow and Christopher Plaummer as mentors?

I can agree with this. The TES lore is really fascinating and I loved finding books and other tidbits in the game. Sadly, since the story is a bit lacking I always wanted more and I hated it when I finished a quest that, story wise, felt a bit unfinished and then I didn't hear anything about it again. 

Plus Rune. RUNE. WHY does he tell me about wanting to find out who his parents are and then don't allow me to get a quest for it or something? GAH

[AtreiyaN7]

ejoslin wrote...

I wonder with Skyrim, if the people who really weren't that crazy about it are the people who do not like reading the books. I LOVE the books -- it brings me deeper into the world. I find the game beautiful, but maybe my standards are lower as the last few games I played were not so great graphics-wise.

I never was able to get into the Witcher 2. For some reason, I don't enjoy playing a male protagonist.

If you mean the lore books, I read everything I got initially because I enjoy reading. Here's my problem with Skyrim atm: lack of an emotional connection to/interest in pretty much all the NPCs. I enjoy goggling at the landscape, casting fireballs, etc. The problem is that I lack motivation to get past my being bored with killing every dragon that decides to land right on my head because I do not care about the characters or the main story at all.

In fact, I actually find the Dark Brotherhood creepy and annoying, which actually makes me not want to finish that particular quest chain. I started it to see what life was like on the other side - have since determined that joining a band of sociopaths is really not my thing. If I'm killing people, it had better be for a good reason. Am almost done with it...and then, never again with the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 18 juin 2012 - 08:16 .

[AtreiyaN7]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Graphics-wise, I enjoyed Skyrim, but having seen brilliant examples of what good textures can be like recently, I'm going to say that it is, perhaps, a bit overrated. Nothing I've tried makes it better, and it does annoy me just a bit at this point (since Skyrim's big selling point is, in part, the graphics).

I have other games that deliver a bit more in terms of story, voice-acting, AND have graphics that make me salivate, so eh. I'm sort of almost done with Skyrim, but I don't feel compelled to finish it atm. I just keep thinking that if I play the game and fast-travel, I'm going to have another supremely annoying dragon to deal with and will then have to drop another pile of bones and scales off at my residence.

Fast travel or not, dragons are everywhere. Opening your front door is enough.

Hahaha - yeah, I know what you mean. Since I became an Arch-Mage, Winterhold College technically qualifies as one of my homes. At least twice, or maybe three times now, dragons have shown up when I popped in over there. At least they seem to mostly leave me alone at Vlindrel Hall in Markarth.

[Bad King]

Han Shot First wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I think your sentiments are echoed by many, at least from what I see in the Skyrim thread.

I've heard that some think that the only things in Skyrim to do are marked on a map. So not the case. If you don't read the books, or explore, you miss out on a whole lot of story. There are so many things you can find out in the wild that will never be marked on a map, or part of a quest, that enrich the experience.

Reading the books in game is bit like reading codex entries in Mass Effect. It fills you in on the lore or the history of the universe, but it doesn't take the place of meaningful character interaction or dialogue. Unlike Mass Effect Skyrim lacks for both meaningful character interaction and good dialogue, as do most Bethesda games. In Bethesda's defense however, I don't think they set out with any intention to create really interesting characters. The selling point for the games is always the game world rather than the characters that populate it.

The codex in Mass Effect provides only simplified, almost universally unbiased, factual information. The books in the elder scrolls series however consist of histories of varying perspectives each with their own biases, there are novellas, poetry books, religious texts, training manuals, research documents, riddle books, written eyewitness accounts and more. It's a lot richer than anything we see in Mass Effect or Dragon Age and not only gives us info on the world's lore and history but also really immerses the player in the game world- its character, its mythology, its personality and it ends up making the world more real (at least it does in my opinion!).

Modifié par Bad King, 18 juin 2012 - 08:18 .

[android654]

I honestly gave the game 6 different attempts with 6 different builds to try and like it. The furthest I've been was getting a character to level 22. I can see why other people love it so much, but the setting is really hard for me to get immersed in.

[Elhanan]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
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If you mean the lore books, I read everything I got initially because I enjoy reading. Here's my problem with Skyrim atm: lack of an emotional connection to/interest in pretty much all the NPCs. I enjoy goggling at the landscape, casting fireballs, etc. The problem is that I lack motivation to get past my being bored with killing every dragon that decides to land right on my head because I do not care about the characters or the main story at all.

In fact, I actually find the Dark Brotherhood creepy and annoying, which actually makes me not want to finish that particular quest chain. I started it to see what life was like on the other side - have since determined that joining a band of sociopaths is really not my thing. If I'm killing people, it had better be for a good reason. Am almost done with it...and then, never again with the Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim.

The DB Questline is creepy, but I found it engaging as one that was trying to seek escape, as well as control of the group. And I found most dialogue to be acceptable, even if it was occasionally repetitive. While some of the writing and dialogue could be improved (ie; marriage and romance), some is quite good (eg; Paarthanax, Greybeards,).

Thing here is, there is such a huge library of content that some will fall into either category. Personally, the majority is good enough for me.

[Demyx_IX]

Skyrim is a solid 9. I can't see how it's overrated. It really is GOTY material. Is it the best game ever? No. But it's definitely a very good game.

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 18 juin 2012 - 08:53 .

[spirosz]

No, I loved every minute of it, but that's just me - we're all different. The music in that game is unbelievable, I can explore for hours just listening to those ambient tracks, especially when the game world reaches night time. Unbelievable atmosphere, but again - the story is okay at best, I'm in it for the richness of the world.

[AlanC9]

Aeowyn wrote...

Elhanan wrote...
A suggestion from this Bioware junkie:  try reading some of the included written lore found all over the place. This is where some of the better writing and mood may be found (eg; Kodlaks Journal in the Companion storyline, the messages and writings found in Frostflow Lighthouse are among my faves).

I can agree with this. The TES lore is really fascinating and I loved finding books and other tidbits in the game.

I agree with this too -- but for me, the lore just isn't enough to make me go out of my way to play a TES game, since I find the gameplay kinda dull and uninvolving, and they don't bother tyring to do the stuff I like in Bio's games. If someone gives me a TES game I'll fool around with it for a week or two, but that's about it.

[Elhanan]

AlanC9 wrote...

I agree with this too -- but for me, the lore just isn't enough to make me go out of my way to play a TES game, since I find the gameplay kinda dull and uninvolving, and they don't bother tyring to do the stuff I like in Bio's games. If someone gives me a TES game I'll fool around with it for a week or two, but that's about it.

But as mentioned earler, it also some very decent dialogue and VO, as well as intriguing tales woven into unique dungeons, ruins, Keep, etc, and grants so many of those that I still am finding new ones w/o Mods.

But as far as hype and standard, Skyrim lived up to the 2011 E3 gameplay demo, and cleared that bar with ease. For me, it was the GOTY, and earned it. 

[Chromie]

Daggerfall or bust.