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[Nameless one7]

My main problem with skyrim is a lot of the sidequests aren't as good as sidequests in previous games.

[Dragoonlordz]

Skelter192 wrote...

Daggerfall or bust.

Female bust or poker bust? It will sway my decision.

[slimgrin]

Believe it or not I haven't really delved too deep in Skyrim yet, but I've always been a fan of Bethesda's open world approach - so much depth and attention to detail compared to other open world games. I was a bit disappointed with their 'new' engine for the game, although it's not bad looking by any means. I also admire Bethesda for their mod support and still doing expansions. Not many companies do either these days.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 juin 2012 - 01:44 .

[Addai]

Han Shot First wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I think your sentiments are echoed by many, at least from what I see in the Skyrim thread.

I've heard that some think that the only things in Skyrim to do are marked on a map. So not the case. If you don't read the books, or explore, you miss out on a whole lot of story. There are so many things you can find out in the wild that will never be marked on a map, or part of a quest, that enrich the experience.

Reading the books in game is bit like reading codex entries in Mass Effect. It fills you in on the lore or the history of the universe, but it doesn't take the place of meaningful character interaction or dialogue. Unlike Mass Effect Skyrim lacks for both meaningful character interaction and good dialogue, as do most Bethesda games. In Bethesda's defense however, I don't think they set out with any intention to create really interesting characters. The selling point for the games is always the game world rather than the characters that populate it.

That's really, really not true.  The thing about TES is that the lore is bigger than the world- even as big as their worlds are- and the lore IS the story.  People who natter about the main quest are missing the forest for the trees.  So I agree with the original sentiment.  If you aren't reading the books and paying attention to the larger story, you're just playing it like an MMO grinder.  It works as a grinder, but then when those people say that that's all it is, or that TES doesn't have good writing, it really boils my mead.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 juin 2012 - 01:51 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Personally I paid hardly any attention to the story at all. It is not what I like about the game and not why I bought it. Reason I did so was because unlike Biowares titles which rely on characters and companions for most part, Skyrim and other Bethesdas titles I think rely on the world, the setting and the freedom to explore and do as wish in that world. That is why I bought it and I did not even start a single quest once left cave at beginning for at least 100 hours of play time had passed because of such.. The new possiblities from places and quest, items and other creations due to mods, keeps bringing me back to it over and over and will do so probably for many years.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 19 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[Jozape]

Bad King wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

^ I think your sentiments are echoed by many, at least from what I see in the Skyrim thread.

I've heard that some think that the only things in Skyrim to do are marked on a map. So not the case. If you don't read the books, or explore, you miss out on a whole lot of story. There are so many things you can find out in the wild that will never be marked on a map, or part of a quest, that enrich the experience.

Reading the books in game is bit like reading codex entries in Mass Effect. It fills you in on the lore or the history of the universe, but it doesn't take the place of meaningful character interaction or dialogue. Unlike Mass Effect Skyrim lacks for both meaningful character interaction and good dialogue, as do most Bethesda games. In Bethesda's defense however, I don't think they set out with any intention to create really interesting characters. The selling point for the games is always the game world rather than the characters that populate it.

The codex in Mass Effect provides only simplified, almost universally unbiased, factual information. The books in the elder scrolls series however consist of histories of varying perspectives each with their own biases, there are novellas, poetry books, religious texts, training manuals, research documents, riddle books, written eyewitness accounts and more. It's a lot richer than anything we see in Mass Effect or Dragon Age and not only gives us info on the world's lore and history but also really immerses the player in the game world- its character, its mythology, its personality and it ends up making the world more real (at least it does in my opinion!).

This is something that I hope BioWare does more. They did it to some degree in DA:O/DA2, but I'd like to see it fully replace the in-game codex for developing the lore.

[Savber100]

Skyrim is overrated as a RPG.

That said, it's still quite a gem among **** in the modern day linear-fest CODs and BF.

[Demyx_IX]

Skelter192 wrote...

Daggerfall or bust.

Daggerfall. 95% of the players are currently over the age of 65. wat

In all seriousness Daggerfall is crap compared to Oblivion and Skyrim. 

Modifié par Demyx_IX, 19 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[Rockworm503]

Skelter192 wrote...

Fallout 3 or bust.

Thats odd Skelter coming from you.

[HoonDing]

He's never going to live that one down.

[Hayllee]

Skyrim bores me. I just screw around with the character creator and get hit by giants on purpose. Once you complete some quests, they're all the same and there's literally nothing else to do. I have no idea why I feel this way- I loved Fallout 3 (loved) and Oblivion, they're not much different,

Maybe I just don't like the hype. In that case, I am going to go buy some thick-rimmed glasses and a fedora.

[Chromie]

Demyx_IX wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Daggerfall or bust.

Daggerfall. 95% of the players are currently over the age of 65. wat

In all seriousness Daggerfall is crap compared to Oblivion and Skyrim. 

I find Oblivion to be worse in the franchise. I've only played Daggerfall for a couple of months so I don't know too much but it definitely held my interest a lot longer than Oblivion.

[shadysnorlax]

I think it just all depends on what you like. For me, I played Skyrim a lot when it came out, but it sort of wore out quickly on me and I was just replaying it just to replay it. Although it was cool to just run around and do whatever, I felt that the overall flow of the game was interrupted by its openness. It's cool to have a lot of sidequests, but there was no real sense of urgency to complete the main storyline. So there's a dragon god thing that's about to destroy the world you say? Let me just become the leader of every guild first. He'll wait for that right?

[BatmanPWNS]

I find the combat and story to be an extreme bore so I kinda think it is a bit overrated but I don't hate the game for it.

[DarkDragon777]

In my opinion:

Morrowind: 9/10
Skyrim: 8.5/10
Oblivion: 5/10 (The gameplay and graphics engine were so atrocious that I didn't bother finishing it. Main quest was pretty poorly written as well.)

Never played Daggerfall.

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 19 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[PaulSX]

It was a great game but definitely not the game of the year 2011. so I would say it's a bit overrated. I felt it's just another oblivion. I wish Bethesda could go back to make a game like morrowind without those auto travel crap.

[Ninja Stan]

There's already a Skyrim discussion thread in this forum. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

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