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[filetemo]

TheChris92 wrote...


Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

to become their god, like Javik pretends to become to the hanar. Your logic is correct
wait...
Mac is that you?

[lex0r11]

Bob the Elcor wrote...

This is a Reaper, look at its power, fear it, I SAID FEAR IT!
but it isn't scary...
It is an almighty immortal being, it is a bringer of death, SO JUST DAMN WELL FEAR IT!!
It looks stupid...
SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!

[Ranadiel Marius]

chemiclord wrote...

Ya know... if watching a child get turned to slag right in front of you doesn't kinda make you a little disturbed by default...

I just lose faith in humanity a little more each day.

It isn't a child though. It a a character in a story. A character that we never learn anything about beyond that he is a kid and really annoying. Since these events aren't really happening, there is no sense of tragedy. Just as there was no sense of tragedy when we kill hundreds of sentient creatures in the previous two games during the combat portions of those games.

When you want to make someone feel something you can't just introduce a character and kill him off without creating any emotional connection. That's storytelling 101. When the only reason we are supposed to feel bad is because the person killed was a child, that is a cheap and lazy attempt to force a connection that fails more often than it works(and yet people keep trying it). 

[rollblows]

*looks below forum sees Genres racing,shooting,puzzle.RPG,kids.gets mad* OH HELL NAH, * looks for star kid and his SPACE MAGIC! in kids genre*

[Walsh1980]

Does anyone in here even like Mass Effect anymore? Whether they failed or succeeded at instilling emotion is up for debate (I agree 90% of the time children plot points suck, and ME is a glaring example), but I think people are giving a bit too much credit to what a game like this can be. Mass Effect is a scripted story driven series and the main character never was really what you made him, you either pick jerk or saint but nothing really changed all that much, and if you expected Mass Effect to offer the "freedom" something like Elder Scrolls offered, you are looking for a different type of game.. You want true freedom and for a story to go the way you want, play Dungeons and Dragons or something.

[WestLakeDragon]

You know, with the kid, at first I was like 'That kid was stupid to not come with me, but I didn't want to see him die', but that was replaced with 'I hate this kid' because of those stupid dream sequences. Were they supposed to make me feel anything more than annoyed?

[Sousabird]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

This is Kai Leng. He is your equal as a nemesis. Fear him. TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY OH MY GOD

He's less effective then the jedi in Star Wars Battlefront...

[Jamie9]

I played the demo of ME3, and when I saw the child get killed, I was shocked. They killed a child, yes it was off screen, but games don't often go there (BioShock, Dead Space do).

And I enjoyed the dream sequences, it's just their potential was wasted on the child. It should have centered around Virmire and the Suicide Mission.

So, yes, I did care about the child. I wish they didn't cram him in so much with much more emotional character deaths staring you right in the face though.

[Jamie9]

Sousabird wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

This is Kai Leng. He is your equal as a nemesis. Fear him. TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY OH MY GOD

He's less effective then the jedi in Star Wars Battlefront...

Darth Maul was fun. You could just jump and attack constantly....

[Ageless Face]

Really, are people THAT much hate the kid? Is it because he is the face of the catalyst?

[Xellith]

HagarIshay wrote...

Really, are people THAT much hate the kid? Is it because he is the face of the catalyst?

No.  I hated the child because he was used as a contrived plot device.  "oh the child dies.  Shepard is upset waaaaah you should be upset too!".  No.  My shepard was displaying emotions about as far away as I could get.

WHY was my shepard upset?  Its only a kid.  Sure I tried to save him - but the game made me do that.  I didnt want to save the kid.

Especially with renegade sheps.  Who really is gonna give a crap about a kid after some of the renegade actions that people do.

Its a contrived and pathetic attempt at storytelling by forcing our characters to display emotions that we do not have.

It would be kinda like if no matter what happened - you always dumped your love interest and went to liara and told her you loved her - EVEN IF YOU HATE HER.

So they force your shepard whom may be a complete **** to feel upset over this child. You are given contrived nightmares about this kid - whom once again you might not give a crap about.  And then at the end they show us the "catalyst" in the form of the child.  Are we suppost to feel emotionally connected to this character?  Because all I see is poor storytelling and contrived scenes that were pathetically patched together.

Its storytelling at its worst.

Modifié par Xellith, 19 juin 2012 - 03:15 .

[Foltro]

HagarIshay wrote...

Really, are people THAT much hate the kid? Is it because he is the face of the catalyst?

It's not the kid per se. But the impact he's supposed to have on the player is forced. What if I play a renegade and dont give a rat's behind about the casualties as long as the reapers are stopped? Doesn't matter, you must feel sad!

And why does that meaningless child pop up in all the dreams Shepard has? There is zero connection betweeen the two (apart from that cliche "smile upon the child" and the nervkilling "you can't save me").

I'm aware that the child is supposed to represent all the people Shepard couldn't save, but his entire existence is forced and, to be honest, laughable.

Modifié par Foltro, 19 juin 2012 - 03:18 .

[thesnake777]

Xellith wrote...

No.  I hated the child because he was used as a contrived plot device.  "oh the child dies.  Shepard is upset waaaaah you should be upset too!".  No.  My shepard was displaying emotions about as far away as I could get.

WHY was my shepard upset?  Its only a kid.  Sure I tried to save him - but the game made me do that.  I didnt want to save the kid.

Especially with renegade sheps.  Who really is gonna give a crap about a kid after some of the renegade actions that people do.

Its a contrived and pathetic attempt at storytelling by forcing our characters to display emotions that we do not have.

It would be kinda like if no matter what happened - you always dumped your love interest and went to liara and told her you loved her - EVEN IF YOU HATE HER.

So they force your shepard whom may be a complete **** to feel upset over this child. You are given contrived nightmares about this kid - whom once again you might not give a crap about.  And then at the end they show us the "catalyst" in the form of the child.  Are we suppost to feel emotionally connected to this character?  Because all I see is poor storytelling and contrived scenes that were pathetically patched together.

Its storytelling at its worst.

If that nonsense happened with Liara I would put my controller through my tv. 

I had a serious issue with how Shep got over the kid..every time he did it I felt like this was no longer my Character. My shep would think about whoever deid on virmire..or of jenkins.. or of mordin...or legion...those are the people that my shep knew and those are the peole who would haunt my sheps dream.. not some dumb kid who pissed me off to begin with becuase he wouldent get out of the damn vent...the Idiot. 

[Ageless Face]

@Xellith, @foltro

Gutcha. But the kid is just a face of the dead. The straw that broke the camel's back. Shepard is seeing him, but he doesn't actually think about him. Otherwise we wouldn't have heard the voices of the virmired, or the SM casualties. The kid is simply a symbol. Aside from that, kids are also the hardest to watch being killed in a war. And even a renegade cares about the dead. Maybe less, or doesn't show it, but I'm pretty sure Shepard cares.

Well, at least that's how I saw it. I kind of see it as it makes sense. Though it maybe just because how I play it. I gues I understand why people think it's forced on them. Never mind then...

[Sajuro]

Xellith wrote...

They shoulda had the kid carrying around his pet kitten. Then I woulda been like "YOU SONS OF ****ES YOU KILLED THE KITTY!!!"

Seeing the kitty in nightmares.

And the catalyst appears as the kitty.

OMG I woulda been crushed.

Kittylyst: Conflict between organics and synthetics is inevitable meow.
Shepard: d'awwwwwwwwww

[Sajuro]

Sousabird wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

This is Kai Leng. He is your equal as a nemesis. Fear him. TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY OH MY GOD

He's less effective then the jedi in Star Wars Battlefront...

What about that one Twi'Lek Jedi chick who dual wielded and would spin to win

[Xellith]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Xellith, @foltro

Gutcha. But the kid is just a face of the dead. The straw that broke the camel's back. Shepard is seeing him, but he doesn't actually think about him. Otherwise we wouldn't have heard the voices of the virmired, or the SM casualties. The kid is simply a symbol. Aside from that, kids are also the hardest to watch being killed in a war. And even a renegade cares about the dead. Maybe less, or doesn't show it, but I'm pretty sure Shepard cares.

Well, at least that's how I saw it. I kind of see it as it makes sense. Though it maybe just because how I play it. I gues I understand why people think it's forced on them. Never mind then...

My shepard is a hard ass who gets the job done.  I dont give a rats ass about "the dead" apart from perhaps one or two people.  I certainly wouldnt start blubbing over a damn kid whom I have no emotional attachment to whatsoever.

This is the point.  YOUR shepard might be a **** and losing his mind.   Mine isnt.

Shepard IS my avatar.  He shouldnt be experiencing any emotions unless I tell him to.  Its CONTRIVED.

[MegaSovereign]

I honestly did feel sad for the kid when I saw him die the first time. It doesn't have the same effect when you've seen it multiple times though.

[BDelacroix]

The kid thing was ok.  I thought it was a one off to remind us of just how little the reapers care about anything living.  Then they forced him into some bizarre obsession.

[Foltro]

HagarIshay wrote...

@Xellith, @foltro

Gutcha. But the kid is just a face of the dead. The straw that broke the camel's back. Shepard is seeing him, but he doesn't actually think about him. Otherwise we wouldn't have heard the voices of the virmired, or the SM casualties. The kid is simply a symbol. Aside from that, kids are also the hardest to watch being killed in a war. And even a renegade cares about the dead. Maybe less, or doesn't show it, but I'm pretty sure Shepard cares.

Well, at least that's how I saw it. I kind of see it as it makes sense. Though it maybe just because how I play it. I gues I understand why people think it's forced on them. Never mind then...

Well, the underlying idea of the reapers finally getting to Shepard has its merits. If it had been executed properly it would have been wonderful. The catalyst could have chosen any appearance, but he chose the kid. Why? I can't wrap my head around this. Other appearances, say the Virmire Casualty, would have been better.

Add to that, that not every Shepard feels about the kid like the Shepard feels about the kid (all my Shepards react exactly the same in that department and for some it's way out of character). But maybe that's just me.

Modifié par Foltro, 19 juin 2012 - 04:00 .

[Ageless Face]

Xellith wrote...

My shepard is a hard ass who gets the job done.  I dont give a rats ass about "the dead" apart from perhaps one or two people.  I certainly wouldnt start blubbing over a damn kid whom I have no emotional attachment to whatsoever.

This is the point.  YOUR shepard might be a **** and losing his mind.   Mine isnt.

Shepard IS my avatar.  He shouldnt be experiencing any emotions unless I tell him to.  Its CONTRIVED.

Fine, fine. Just tried to explain why the dreams are there.

People should make a petition of taking the dreams out of the game unless you want them inside if it really that much of a bother to you.   

[Ageless Face]

Foltro wrote...

Well, the underlying idea of the reapers finally getting to Shepard has its merits. If it had been executed properly it would have been wonderful. The catalyst could have chosen any appearance, but he chose the kid. Why? I can't wrap my head around this. Other appearances, say the Virmire Casualty, would have been better.

Add to that, that not every Shepard feels about the kid like the Shepard feels about the kid (all my Shepards react exactly the same in that department and for some it's way out of character). But maybe that's just me.

I'm if the Virmire Casualty will be as the catalyst people will hate it. Same for any other dead squadmate. BioWare probably wanted to have a natrual face, that no one will hate (guess they were wronga bout that). I'm guessing having multiple faces will be a lot of work.

[Foltro]

HagarIshay wrote...

Xellith wrote...

My shepard is a hard ass who gets the job done.  I dont give a rats ass about "the dead" apart from perhaps one or two people.  I certainly wouldnt start blubbing over a damn kid whom I have no emotional attachment to whatsoever.

This is the point.  YOUR shepard might be a **** and losing his mind.   Mine isnt.

Shepard IS my avatar.  He shouldnt be experiencing any emotions unless I tell him to.  Its CONTRIVED.

Fine, fine. Just tried to explain why the dreams are there.

People should make a petition of taking the dreams out of the game unless you want them inside if it really that much of a bother to you.   

I don't think the dreams are the issue here. It's more about the way they are executed. And if you like the dreams, that is completely fine.

On another note:

This is the Catalyst. The Catalyst chose the form of the boy you couldn't save. Accept his logic. ACCEPT HIS LOGIC, DAMNIT!

[Foltro]

HagarIshay wrote...

Foltro wrote...

Well, the underlying idea of the reapers finally getting to Shepard has its merits. If it had been executed properly it would have been wonderful. The catalyst could have chosen any appearance, but he chose the kid. Why? I can't wrap my head around this. Other appearances, say the Virmire Casualty, would have been better.

Add to that, that not every Shepard feels about the kid like the Shepard feels about the kid (all my Shepards react exactly the same in that department and for some it's way out of character). But maybe that's just me.

I'm if the Virmire Casualty will be as the catalyst people will hate it. Same for any other dead squadmate. BioWare probably wanted to have a natrual face, that no one will hate (guess they were wronga bout that). I'm guessing having multiple faces will be a lot of work.

Not quite what I meant. The catalyst is clearly trying to mess with you (why else would he take a form that Shep can recognize?). What I meant was, that if the Catalyst really has to take a form, why that random kid? Why not someone that means something to Shepard? The emotional impact would have been greater, and the last *cough* choice *cough* much harder to make.

And I never felt hate for the person I had to leave behind on Virmire. Personally I would have liked to save both of them. But that's just me.

EDIT: Hoppla, double post. Sorry 'bout that.

Modifié par Foltro, 19 juin 2012 - 04:14 .

[CrutchCricket]

Baelrahn wrote...
Every single background you can choose for Shepard in ME1 has some element in it that brands him eternally loyal to the alliance. You can even read this in your codex written by bad writers.

Spacer:
Both of your parents were in the Alliance military. Your childhood was spent on ships and stations as they transferred from posting to posting. Following in your parents' footsteps, you enlisted at the age of eighteen.

Colonist:
You were raised on Mindoir on the fringes of the Attican Traverse. When you were sixteen, the colony was raided by slavers. The entire settlement was razed and your friends and family were slaughtered. A passing Alliance patrol rescued you, but all you loved was destroyed.

You enlisted with the Alliance military...

Earthborn:
You were born on Earth, but you never knew your parents. A child of the streets, you learned to live by your wits and guts, surviving in the hidden underbelly of the megatropolises of humanity's homeworld.

Eager to find a better life, you joined the Alliance military when you came of age.

Above: "Eternal loyalty"

And people never change once they notice the stupidity of what they once believed in right?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 19 juin 2012 - 04:18 .