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[Skellimancer]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Skellimancer wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...
You made Sten an accomplice, you fiend!

Party approves +50

Sten is the only party member that she actually wants to join (except maybe Shale, but she hates her for being mage) and the tension between them is so thick you can cut it with a maul. Sad thing she wussed out.

Yeah, that was a shame as it would have killed her!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Not sure about Herr Uhl but it is definitly true that Skellimancer loves sticking a sword in Morrigan... take that as you will

I'm surprised she hasn't made a mage with the 'animate' dead spell so that she can kill Morrigan and then animate her dead corpse (if that is possible with that save glitch of hers).

*ponders if he just put a thought in skellimancer's head*

Do it, ya know you want to :happy:

[Curlain]

vilnii wrote...

I am very interested in this 'thing' going on between Skellimancer, Herr Uhl and Morrigan

O_O, sounds interesting

[Skellimancer]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Not sure about Herr Uhl but it is definitly true that Skellimancer loves sticking a sword in Morrigan... take that as you will

I'm surprised she hasn't made a mage with the 'animate' dead spell so that she can kill Morrigan and then animate her dead corpse (if that is possible with that save glitch of hers).

*ponders if he just put a thought in skellimancer's head*

Do it, ya know you want to :happy:

Thats a good idea! was about to make a "Killing Morrigan from various angles" video for youtube.

[Auraad]

She gives XP ... soooo ...



besides: it's not that Flemeth saved you because she's a good-doer - it was just for her personal reasons...

[TheRealIncarnal]

That makes a great deal of sense Von Salza.



I suspect that killing Flemeth might just be playing right into her hand.

[philippe willaume]

Well

The game is geared up to make whatever choice you made right.



So yes morrigan is little more amenable if improve your relationship with her,

When you spare flemeth, you have the impression that she liked morrigan and send her away not to have to kill her.



I think that is part of the game is very well made, you can read it pretty much as you whish and make the story as you want to.



phil

[Fitzle]

I spared Flemeth for the same reasons others did. She saved my life; she saved the warden treaties. Basically if it wasn't for her actions the blight would never have been stopped.



It seemed pretty clear to me though that she knew the score when I went to visit her. There was no doubt in my mind that Flemeth planned to possess Morrigan at some point. The odd thing is though, when you make a deal with her, she seems to indicate that maybe she won't possess Morrigan after all and that maybe it would be better to just observe from afar and see how Morrigan explores the world.



Nothing is written in stone!

[kormesios]

Herr Uhl wrote...
The stories tell of different daughters of Flemeth, not multiple at the same time. Given that there is a new lass seen every 30 odd years, it is not outlandish to assume that there would be more than one.

Where does the claim that there's a new one every 30 years come from?  Are you just projecting a 'posession' time frame onto the existing stories?  Did people actually get close enough, often enough, to tell when a 'new daughter' was around?

I just re-read the codex entry on Flemeth, and that part at least is quite clear: multiple daughters at the same time.  They (plural) led the invading army, way back when.  They were "all killed", but rumors are that 'they' still live in the woods.

Unless I'm missing something, the Chasind stories about Flemeth and her daughters are just plain wrong in many respects, and believing the posession stories don't make them any more accurate.

It is in the item description, something along the lines of: These are a morbid "welcoming gift" for Morrigan. Nothing to indicate that Flemeth gains any influence through them though.

Speaking of missing something, I completely missed that.  Just looked at that again now, too.

In terms of developer interpretation of the story, I actually think that's the strongest evidence of Flemeth-as-evil then.  Not quite 100%, but definitely significant.

[Saurel]

Hearing about the Dark Ritual beforehand make it a bit easier to kill Flemeth. Made me believe she may have had alternative reasons for saving us.

Regardless , stealing your daughters lives is unforgivable in my eyes.

Modifié par Saurel, 16 décembre 2009 - 04:55 .

[tigrina]

Well, the mere fact that she is awfully not telling anything I actually want to know was a very good reason for me to kill her. If you want the book for yourself, she says more or less that you have to earn it, and gives you the fight.



Everything she does and says seem to indicate that at least part of Morrigan's story is true and that Flemeth indeed doesn't die completely. She also is partly demon, if the stories are to believed, which can be a complete reason of its own to do some killing, I guess.

[DarkNova50]

I kept Flemeth alive, myself. After all, she saved both myself and Alistair, and never showed any direct hostility. Besides, the details on the whole situation are sketch to begin with, and I never fully trust Morrigan anyway.



Then again, I also had Alistair take part in Morrigan's little ritual at the end, to keep both him and I alive. If there's a Dragon Age 2, I'd love to see Flemeth show up at some point, and have her and Morrigan ruin one another's plans.

[Gold Dragon]

First Run thru, the -1 Will on the Robes was a Tip-off. I killed Flemeth, Gave the Grimoire to Morrigan, and Destroyed the Robes. Hmmm... How's Flemeth going to take that, when she "wakes up" and finds the Robes of Possesion in pieces, spread out across the Hut, I wonder...

Second Run thru: Completely Forgot to go see her. Oops. Morrigan left in Disgust after the Archdemon Battle.

This run-thru: Flemeth will Live, and the Ritual won't happen. (Need to unlock other end achievements)

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 16 décembre 2009 - 05:38 .

[tigrina]

DarkNova50 wrote...
I kept Flemeth alive, myself. After all, she saved both myself and Alistair, and never showed any direct hostility. Besides, the details on the whole situation are sketch to begin with, and I never fully trust Morrigan anyway.

But Flemeth made Morrigan into who she is. Why do you trust Flemeth on being beneficial and not as selfish as Morrigan? Honest question, I just don't see it.

DarkNova50 wrote...
Then again, I also had Alistair take part in Morrigan's little ritual at the end, to keep both him and I alive. If there's a Dragon Age 2, I'd love to see Flemeth show up at some point, and have her and Morrigan ruin one another's plans.

There is an ending where Flemeth kills Morrigan in the epilogue I believe. Since I always kill Flemeth, I haven't seen it.

[Saurel]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

By talking with Flemeth you get the impression that this is some sort of game that she and Morrigan have been playing...that Morrigan sent others to confront her mother before. All of those excursion Morrigan made out of the wolds..could it be they all ended with some poor fool tricked into attacking Flemeth.
Flemeth herself is surprised when you decide you want nothing to do with either of them anymore.

Though when you talk about sparing her, she does say she may come to Morrigan at some point or she may just watch from a distance. She definitely isn't denying the soul stealing.

[Drunkencelt]

Flemeth kills Morrigan if you do not kill her at the end of the game.

[DarkNova50]

tigrina wrote...

But Flemeth made Morrigan into who she is. Why do you trust Flemeth on being beneficial and not as selfish as Morrigan? Honest question, I just don't see it.

Hmm...good question. Probably because Flemeth is just so much better at hiding what her true intentions are. I honestly couldn't tell if they were for good or for ill.

Morrigan, on the other hand...

Well, I think it goes without saying, really.

[menasure]

Drunkencelt wrote...

Flemeth kills Morrigan if you do not kill her at the end of the game.

i never killed Flemeth in 2 runs and have never seen that ... always the same tale about  a young woman ... possibly with child. bugged or not ... when i made a deal with Flemeth for her -supposedly real- grimoire it had zero impact on the ending, though i did not give morrigan the robe just to be "safe".
the one thing you get is that Flemeth says that you will not meet her again ... that is good enough for me to agree with the whole ritual as i am more or less convinced about a bigger than life connection between Flemeth and Morrigan, a part which even Morrigan does not understand if you ask me.
the simple fact that Flemeth is willing to bargain for the grimoire tells me that morrigan does not see the whole picture about Flemeth ... or that she can just be killed like anyone else and decides to go on the run... i would care little about that because it is not like Flemeth has a social life, she prefers to stay out of sight and did help you... maybe out of selfish reasons but eventually that is what we all do anyway, even as a grey warden. anyway who am i to decide that flemeths life is worth more or less than someone elses when i am tainted myself and obliged to make "tainted" decisions even if it is supposedly for the greater good?

Modifié par menasure, 16 décembre 2009 - 11:10 .

[twintalons]

it doesn't really matter if you kill her or not, you still get her book after speaking to flemeth. morrigan didnt even ASK me if i had killed her, so i didnt even have to lie. go figure. so i didnt bother killing flemeth as there didnt seem to be anything to be gained by it.

by all means if you want to do the fight of course.....

[Herr Uhl]

kormesios wrote...
Where does the claim that there's a new one every 30 years come from?  Are you just projecting a 'posession' time frame onto the existing stories?  Did people actually get close enough, often enough, to tell when a 'new daughter' was around?

I just re-read the codex entry on Flemeth, and that part at least is quite clear: multiple daughters at the same time.  They (plural) led the invading army, way back when.  They were "all killed", but rumors are that 'they' still live in the woods.

Unless I'm missing something, the Chasind stories about Flemeth and her daughters are just plain wrong in many respects, and believing the posession stories don't make them any more accurate.

Well, she (Flemeth) states through Morrigan that that story is bollocks, made up to make the guy taking over look good. If you mean the story I think you mean. The one with "the great hero whatshisname".

She might have been inclined to have multiple daughters at some point in her life though.

But I threw the seeing of different women in the wilds out as a plausible explanation to where "the many witches of the wilds" may have originated from. Many generations telling with rare sightings of Flemeth with different girls, and human nature fills the gaps.