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[iAFKinMassEffect3]

I stopped speculating a long time ago.
Now it's wait and see and avoid the ending.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Master Che wrote...

small minds use small words when they don't understand big concepts.

Oh god.

I still can't fathom how people still think this was intended by Bioware. The Bioware community truely are a special group.

[Senenzon]

Master Che wrote...

small minds use small words when they don't understand big concepts.

This^^

It sure is easier to complain about biowares writers for making a ****ty ending, than use a lil bit of braincapacity to see whats in the game.<_<

[LiarasShield]

Well I think the it theory and the shepard replacing the catalyst theory for controls stems from the fact that people don't want to either believe that shepard gave up and gave into the beings who controls the reapers or they don't want to acknowledge at least for control or synthesis that perhaps shepard only died and either temparily stoped the reapers or didn't stop them at all so we go into wild speculation to counter the terrible things we saw

I believe that bioware with the final hours app has already disclaimed that the endings were not a indoctrination attempt

But even though I don't think It happend I could be happy if it did because then shepard wouldn't have given up to the being who controls the reapers and we would have a true chance to finish the fight

As a whole I think we all want to believe something different that shepard may have died and done some good instead of shepard dieing and not stoping anything

[shodiswe]

1. IT peopel calls everyone else stupid and keeps posting links for the "truth" as if we havn't seen their "educational" material ourselves.

2. No single (proof) of the IT exists that can't be questioned or interpreted in several other ways, no confirmation exists.

3. It's based on assumptions, looking at door handles, looking at wal textures, looking at whatever hoping to see what you're looking for... If you know what you want to find and belive it strongly enough then you're likely to find it. That's how most crackpot conspiracy theories work.

4. IT people are calling people who don't belive them stupid, they say they proof, mountains of proof that they even go as far as calling "FACTS". The onyl way those clues, proofs or "FACTS" would become "FACTS" would be if Bioware and/or it's writers confirms it officialy. There can't be any retracting or question wether it's a face account or hacked account or annonymous sources. That turns "FACTS" into speculations and assumptions.
IT was derrived using the following method.
Assumptions + Assumptions + guess work + more assumpotions + belifs = TRUTH!!

The only way it can ever turn into a truth would be if Bioware miraculously turned it into a truth by announcing it.

I don't hate IT itself, I see it as a fanfiction/ possible fan art... I like and support fan art and fan fiction, it's entertaining. However people crashign everythread tellign everyone else they are wrong with links or comments about IT needs to have their heads adjusted, that's not all the IT people mind you, but there are enough zealous preachers out there to anoy the hell out of me.

Most of the hate against IT can most likely be derived from the "Jevos witnesses" kind of preaching and atempts to push educational littterature on people telling them they better read up on the truth to find salvation.

I can accept that some people belive in it like some peopel belive in Kristianity, islam or whatever they belive in. However agressive marketing and downright condersending remarks about other people fan fiction, fan art or ideas angers me.
The peopel who are accused of hating IT commes from all over the boards, it's not a specific set of people, it's people who have gotten tired of some of the pushy IT people. Similar to the way people would get tired of having jehovas waiting for you outside the door every time you open it to go to work, or who rings your door bell every time your about to ear or watch a movie or whiel your playing a game online. and haing it repeat daily.
Sure you arn't standing out side my door but almost any thread get ITerizezed and corrected. It's been months of this and I've shut up for moths hoping it will slow down, but apparently the over zealousness wont stop.
If it isn't religious then it must be that you want to be sure Bioware notices you to improve the chances of it being added to the EC!! Or that BW starts beliving it's the only solution the fans as a whole would accept.
I hope this answers your question, it a very clear response.
I know you didn't like the ending neither did I, you're hoping there is more to it or that Bioware will add something to make the horrible parts make sens and make the those painful moments go away.

I don't knowwhat BW is planning or doing, im sure I will like soem of it but I doubt it will fix the ending in a way the the fans who requested change or a fix will be satisfied with.. It's possible those who just wanted closure for their ME friends will get what they are looking for though. It's reasonable to assume that's what BW meant with adding closure. They have also hinted that people will be ok, this will likely be shown.. except for those who are dead I suppose...

Yet again I don't Hate the IT, I just don't belive in it, but some of the IT supporters are getting overly anoying after months of spamming.

[shodiswe]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I think the it theory and the shepard replacing the catalyst theory for controls stems from the fact that people don't want to either believe that shepard gave up and gave into the beings who controls the reapers or they don't want to acknowledge at least for control or synthesis that perhaps shepard only died and either temparily stoped the reapers or didn't stop them at all so we go into wild speculation to counter the terrible things we saw

I believe that bioware with the final hours app has already disclaimed that the endings were not a indoctrination attempt

But even though I don't think It happend I could be happy if it did because then shepard wouldn't have given up to the being who controls the reapers and we would have a true chance to finish the fight

As a whole I think we all want to believe something different that shepard may have died and done some good instead of shepard dieing and not stoping anything

Shepard standing there looking beaten ws one of the things that I disliked the most about the ending. My shepard would't allow that even in the most crushing of defeats.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

Well I think the it theory and the shepard replacing the catalyst theory for controls stems from the fact that people don't want to either believe that shepard gave up and gave into the beings who controls the reapers or they don't want to acknowledge at least for control or synthesis that perhaps shepard only died and either temparily stoped the reapers or didn't stop them at all so we go into wild speculation to counter the terrible things we saw

I believe that bioware with the final hours app has already disclaimed that the endings were not a indoctrination attempt

But even though I don't think It happend I could be happy if it did because then shepard wouldn't have given up to the being who controls the reapers and we would have a true chance to finish the fight

As a whole I think we all want to believe something different that shepard may have died and done some good instead of shepard dieing and not stoping anything

Yeah it spamers does become a bit annoying that people begin to tell them to shut up or to quit because of thee annoying spam me personally I doubt they will go with  It I think they even denied like i mentioned in my previous post but I would have nothing against it if it did occur

[Silhouett3]

That's their artistic vision:P:D

Anyway, serious now. There is no such fact like "ITers insult", "IT corrupts minds" or "IT leads to public misery". IT is just a theory. and nothing more. To say "ITers insult" is like saying "evolutionary theorists insult creationists".  Some of them do of course and that's a personal issue in each and every case. It is the person who insults another, not the idea itself. If you have a problem with some IT supporter take it to that person alone like a matured human being instead of a child, please don't cry "that's the way ITers are" and get delusional yourself.

My impression; BSN is used by lotsa children these days who apperently have lotsa fun trolling others.

Modifié par Silhouett3, 18 juin 2012 - 02:53 .

[LiarasShield]

Silhouett3 wrote...

That's their artistic vision:P:D

Anyway, serious now. There is no such fact like "ITers insult", "IT corrupts minds" or "IT leads to public misery". IT is just a theory. and nothing more. To say "ITers insult" is like saying "evolutionary theorists insult creationists".  Some of them do of course and that's a personal issue in each and every case. It is the person who insults another, not the idea itself. If you have a problem with some IT supporter take it to that person alone like a matured human being instead of a child, please don't cry "that's the way ITers are" and get delusional yourself.

See right their you're already trying to pick a fight when me sho arent lol O_O

[Barsomo92]

My point is that if someone that work for Bioware likes the indoctrination theory and want us to continue to talk about it. Then people shouldn't call us stupid or delusional.

[garrusfan1]

OP I agree with you about the ones who are aggressive like some will stay civil and have an actual discussion or say everyone is entitled to their own opinion nothing wrong with it don't mind them and I agree with IT. Now the ones that do what you say are just ridiculous you don't insult people for thinking something different is just ignorance and that goes for the IT supporters too most are like me and stay civil but some do what your talking about only pro IT version. So we all need to stay civil and not insult each other

[Vigilant111]

It threatens their ego and vision, simple as that, its like lobbying for a new law, somebody is always worse off (for most cases)

Modifié par Vigilant111, 18 juin 2012 - 03:09 .

[aksoileau]

Senenzon wrote...

Master Che wrote...

small minds use small words when they don't understand big concepts.

This^^

It sure is easier to complain about biowares writers for making a ****ty ending, than use a lil bit of braincapacity to see whats in the game.<_<

I hope you two aren't serious.  If you think IT is even close to a "big concept" you should probably replay the game.  Making something up to excuse the poor ending is hardly a "big concept."  Seriously, don't think you are more intelligent than other people because of your tin foil hats.

[jijeebo]

Barsomo92 wrote...

My point is that if someone that work for Bioware likes the indoctrination theory and want us to continue to talk about it. Then people shouldn't call us stupid or delusional.

Why not get the people who share your belief in IT to stop insulting non-ITers before telling the people they're insulting to not insult them back?


I don't condone it from either side, but the opinion of a mod doesn't suddenly mean that ITers can go around acting like their interpretation is the be all and end all, insulting people as they go... And not expect any flack in return.


Double standards and all that.

[thefallen2far]

Insecurity.

[Vigilant111]

jijeebo wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

My point is that if someone that work for Bioware likes the indoctrination theory and want us to continue to talk about it. Then people shouldn't call us stupid or delusional.

Why not get the people who share your belief in IT to stop insulting non-ITers before telling the people they're insulting to not insult them back?


I don't condone it from either side, but the opinion of a mod doesn't suddenly mean that ITers can go around acting like their interpretation is the be all and end all, insulting people as they go... And not expect any flack in return.


Double standards and all that.

Can't help that, you are effectively telling me not to insult Ieldra2 for the ascension thread, it is how it works in these forum, well, this forum more specifically, and also depending what u call insult

[GreyLycanTrope]

Senenzon wrote...

Master Che wrote...

small minds use small words when they don't understand big concepts.

This^^

It sure is easier to complain about biowares writers for making a ****ty ending, than use a lil bit of braincapacity to see whats in the game.<_<

We see what's in the game we just don't find it convincing of the theory since there are more likely explinations.
Never attribute to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by incompetence.

Also I thought the point of this thread was that you were victims and we were the ones who were calling you stupid not the other way around

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 18 juin 2012 - 03:16 .

[garrusfan1]

Sion1138 wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

My point is that if someone that work for Bioware likes the indoctrination theory and want us to continue to talk about it. Then people shouldn't call us stupid or delusional.

I'm often tempted to call people stupid, but if I do, I'm an a-hole and thereby my opinion loses it's relevance in the eyes of those around me. At least that's how it should be.

Well said I am pro IT but I will keep it civil. Because if you  go around insulting people you just seem like a troll. Which goes for anything not just IT discussions 

[Vox Draco]

Why the insults? From what I have read from Anti-IT it seems mostly projected hatred against Bioware, the common "being anti against something popular is individual", or simply a lack of information as well as imagination...

I don't know if IT will be confirmed. It would be great, but I try to keep my hopes low. Nevertheless from all the "theories" and interpretations around the board it is simply the one that makes the most sense in context of the entire series, and some of the stuff they found is amazing. Final Hours app says they toyed with the idea, and it is clear to me that many elements of IT are THERE, deliberatly put in by Bioware...

So IT has nothing to do with fan-fiction, it is based on Biowares original ideas. And the questions therefore for me is NOT if they planned it all along (they clearly did) but if they STICK with their plan, or return to it, whatever...

I can understand if some people don't agree, but the religious fervor some Anti-Itlers use by now on their crusade against the theory is...amusing and a little ridiculous...and by now also one of the main reasons why I hope (not "believe") IT is confirmed....

[Dendio1]

Im squarely entrenched in the final stage of acceptance. Reading final hours made it clear that the endings are legit and there is no IT in play.

Over time we have debunked many pieces of IT evidence:

TIM eyes are not linked to indoctrination as the codex fails to mention any connection to between ones eyes and their mental state. Benezia proved that one could be indoctrinated without the eyes. EDI proved one could have the eyes without being indoctrinated.

The weapon swapping seen at the end has been shown in other parts of the game. Its an error rather than an intended feature.

The dream sequences are there to show shepards inner strife during the reaper war, something that final hours revealed as a major goal for the dev team.

The name of the breath scene is shepard alive, rather than shepard free of indoctrination. A small but significant distinction.

Indoctrination as seen throughout the series is something that makes itself obvious once one tries to resist it. There is no in-game reveal of indoctrination and the end text clearly says shepard is a legend and stopped the reapers no matter what choice you make.

Its a nice theory, but what rubs me the wrong way about some who subscribe to it is that they often display a condescending attitude towards those who disagree, at times outright ignoring nay-sayers in favor of continuing discussion amongst themselves.

Modifié par Dendio1, 18 juin 2012 - 03:26 .

[jijeebo]

Vigilant111 wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

My point is that if someone that work for Bioware likes the indoctrination theory and want us to continue to talk about it. Then people shouldn't call us stupid or delusional.

Why not get the people who share your belief in IT to stop insulting non-ITers before telling the people they're insulting to not insult them back?


I don't condone it from either side, but the opinion of a mod doesn't suddenly mean that ITers can go around acting like their interpretation is the be all and end all, insulting people as they go... And not expect any flack in return.


Double standards and all that.

Can't help that, you are effectively telling me not to insult Ieldra2 for the ascension thread, it is how it works in these forum, well, this forum more specifically, and also depending what u call insult

I'm asking ITers to stop insulting non-ITers if they're going to tell non-ITers to stop insulting them because it's a double standard.

I've barely been on that Synthesis thread because it doesn't interest me, so I can't comment on how Ieldra2 conducts him/herself... But I don't see how indirectly asking you not to insult that user is a big deal regardlessl.

[His Name was HYR!!]

IT has more plotholes than the ending itself.