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[jijeebo]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

This tread is not about debating the indoctrination theory. It is about people should stop calling us stupid or delusional. Because if someone that works for Bioware want us to continue to theorize then you shouldn't say we are stupid. Because they like it.

Someone that works for Bioware also said that Synthesis was their favourite ending... So good luck telling people to stop ragging on the people who chose it because Bioware obviously like it.

That was his personal opinon. It doesn't mean that it's Bioware's official view of the endings.

Same thing goes for that mod that posted in the IT thread... Which was the point I was making.

[BatmanTurian]

jijeebo wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

This tread is not about debating the indoctrination theory. It is about people should stop calling us stupid or delusional. Because if someone that works for Bioware want us to continue to theorize then you shouldn't say we are stupid. Because they like it.

Someone that works for Bioware also said that Synthesis was their favourite ending... So good luck telling people to stop ragging on the people who chose it because Bioware obviously like it.

That was his personal opinon. It doesn't mean that it's Bioware's official view of the endings.

Same thing goes for that mod that posted in the IT thread... Which was the point I was making.

Right, Bioware doesn't officially endorse any ending (at the moment). They left them all so.... speculative that we don't have enough data to really figure out what's best.

EDIT: oh and mod who posted in the IT thread was a guy who works on Dragon Age products.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 juin 2012 - 08:59 .

[Soultaker08]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Soultaker08 wrote...

Hmm i think the anti IT movement is much more calm than the pro IT

Anti-ITs dont even come up with Thessai VI/ Bioware Statements/ production time since Me3 went gold
to disprove IT anymore

Why? because it starts EEEENDLESS discussions, which only end in wild speculations

On the other side pro-it rage over any thread that is pro control/synthesis/taking end at face value.

If Anti-IT can stop making points where the other side wont listen , why cant they do the same and wait? simple as that

I understood every sentence until the last one. Could you explain what you meant? Perhaps that we should all just shut up and wait? I can endorse that if that's what you meant.

Yeah thats how i meant it

EDIT: Of course that doesnt mean no more discussions, but no more thread raging , no more opening offensive threads etc

Modifié par Soultaker08, 18 juin 2012 - 09:04 .

[kaisterbahn]

The same reason Xtians call atheists stupid or delusional. They can't understand anything that isn't spelled out precisely for them, and make a virtue of castigating any who can.

[jijeebo]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

This tread is not about debating the indoctrination theory. It is about people should stop calling us stupid or delusional. Because if someone that works for Bioware want us to continue to theorize then you shouldn't say we are stupid. Because they like it.

Someone that works for Bioware also said that Synthesis was their favourite ending... So good luck telling people to stop ragging on the people who chose it because Bioware obviously like it.

That was his personal opinon. It doesn't mean that it's Bioware's official view of the endings.

Same thing goes for that mod that posted in the IT thread... Which was the point I was making.

Right, Bioware doesn't officially endorse any ending (at the moment). They left them all so.... speculative that we don't have enough data to really figure out what's best.

EDIT: oh and mod who posted in the IT thread was a guy who works on Dragon Age products.

Whoop whoop I do love my speculations.


Was he? I seldom visit the big IT thread so I was taking the OPs word on it.

[TiminatorT2000]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Show me where it has been contradicted.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ 

extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings

In no way can IT be considered an ending.

BioWare will expanding on the ending

Again this is implying the ending is already there.

http://sticktwiddler...shley-williams/ 

"The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.” 

Again fairly obvious here, says there not changing the ending which IT would certainly be.. Justify the ending also goes against IT. Also note it's implied the ending is already there.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, denial is a two way street.

 


Even if you believe IT is correct 100 percent it's not readily apparent , so denial cannot be applied to anti-IT without streching the definition of denial.

Modifié par TiminatorT2000, 18 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[ArtGerhardt]

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Show me where it has been contradicted.

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ 

extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings[/i] 

In no way can IT be considered an ending.

BioWare will expanding on the ending[/i] 

Again this is implying the ending is already there.

http://sticktwiddler...shley-williams/ 

"The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.” 

Again fairly obvious here, says there not changing the ending which IT would certainly be.. Justify the ending also goes against IT. Also note it's implied the ending is already there.

BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, denial is a two way street.

 


Even if you believe IT is correct 100 percent it's not readily apparent , so denial cannot be applied to anti-IT without streching the definition of denial.

Bioware wouldn't have to change the ending to incorperate indoctrination theory. All evidence is already apparent in the game and they could confirm IT by simply clarifying the events at the end.

Have you watched this video? youtu.be/caAqFFhBn2U

It's quite long but explains my point better than i can with video evidence.

Modifié par ArtGerhardt, 18 juin 2012 - 09:13 .

[nicksmi56]

I think IT people need to REALLY calm down before I start believing they're the victims. IT really has become something of a cult, and it's even worse outside of the forums. On almost EVERY ME3 video there's IT people being total douchebags. Most of the time it's even unprovoked.

Typical Youtube discussion A:
"That ending was terrible!"
"LOL you're such a dumb***! You think that was the real ending? Go look up the indoctrination theory!"

Typical Youtube discussion B:
"I don't believe the Indoctrination Theory, really. Just my opinion."
"Then you're an idiot with a tiny brain that can't understand the ending! Any REAL Mass Effect fan believes the IT!"
*cue argument*

And the very rare Youtube discussion C:
"IT people are stupid!"
"You're stupid!"
*cue argument*

For every anti-IT and person who doesn't know about IT, there's about 20 pro-IT guys jumping on their backs and insulting them becayse IT just HAS to be the truth! IT HAS TO!!!!

Get your own camp in order first.

[TiminatorT2000]

ArtGerhardt wrote....

Have you watched this video? youtu.be/caAqFFhBn2U

It's quite long but explains my point better than i can with video evidence.

I have seen that video and many others, I think I've seen almost every video on IT and while they are well made none of them convince me.

ArtGerhardt wrote... 
Bioware wouldn't have to change the ending to incorperate indoctrination theory. All evidence is already apparent in the game and they could confirm IT by simply clarifying the events at the end. 

 

The "evidence"  is not the problem, the problem is that if IT is true me3 dose not have an ending. If they add an ending after the supposed IT dream sequence that is changing the ending.

[tekkaman fear]

Cuz this is the internet; where everyone is hidden behind a keyboard and thinks their hardcore. When in reality most would get their asses kicked without much effort.

Say No to Internet thugs!

[JB27]

[JB27]

tekkaman fear wrote...

Cuz this is the internet; where everyone is hidden behind a keyboard and thinks their hardcore. When in reality most would get their asses kicked without much effort.

Say No to Internet thugs!

Please, do not say "No" to me....This hurts you.

[BatmanTurian]

[quote]TiminatorT2000 wrote...

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

Show me where it has been contradicted.

[/quote]

http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/ 

extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings

In no way can IT be considered an ending. [/quote]

wrong. The IT offers a longer ending, which is becoming more and more likely since the EC has dragged on this long. It will offer an ending for each choice. What that will be is up to Bioware. I won't speculate further than that.

[quote]TiminatorT2000 wrote...

BioWare will expanding on the ending

Again this is implying the ending is already there. [/quote]

yeah but it also says expanding meaning there will be more than the current ending. [/quote]

[quote]TiminatorT2000 wrote...

http://sticktwiddler...hley-williams/ 

"The sessions I’ve had so far have been really simple, and Bioware’s not changing the ending, but it’s explaining and justifying it more.” 

Again fairly obvious here, says there not changing the ending which IT would certainly be.. Justify the ending also goes against IT. Also note it's implied the ending is already there. [/quote]

She's just a voice actor. She knows probably less than we do honestly. Justifying the ending goes toward the IT because the IT works within the ending and if you don't understand IT they need to explain it. Also there is no change  necessary with the endings as they currently are for IT, since they are not the actual endings. Also, she's under an NDA so she'll say whatever Bioware wants her to say.

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

Also, denial is a two way street.

[/quote] 

[quote]TiminatorT2000 wrote...
Even if you believe IT is correct 100 percent it's not readily apparent , so denial cannot be applied to anti-IT without streching the definition of denial.

[/quote]

Oh no, it's perfectly applicable. You're in denial that it could ever be possible or that the endings could get better. Again, two-way street.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 juin 2012 - 09:33 .

[jules_vern18]

Barsomo92 wrote...

But we don't make threads that say you are a moron for not believing in the Indoctrination Theory.

No, you just hijack other threads to do it.

[BatmanTurian]

nicksmi56 wrote...

I think IT people need to REALLY calm down before I start believing they're the victims. IT really has become something of a cult, and it's even worse outside of the forums. On almost EVERY ME3 video there's IT people being total douchebags. Most of the time it's even unprovoked.

Typical Youtube discussion A:
"That ending was terrible!"
"LOL you're such a dumb***! You think that was the real ending? Go look up the indoctrination theory!"

Typical Youtube discussion B:
"I don't believe the Indoctrination Theory, really. Just my opinion."
"Then you're an idiot with a tiny brain that can't understand the ending! Any REAL Mass Effect fan believes the IT!"
*cue argument*

And the very rare Youtube discussion C:
"IT people are stupid!"
"You're stupid!"
*cue argument*

For every anti-IT and person who doesn't know about IT, there's about 20 pro-IT guys jumping on their backs and insulting them becayse IT just HAS to be the truth! IT HAS TO!!!!

Get your own camp in order first.

There are only a few who are militant. Most of them are moderate like me until we are insulted. Calling us cultists is insulting. You can't insult people and then blame them for insulting you back.

[BatmanTurian]

jules_vern18 wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

But we don't make threads that say you are a moron for not believing in the Indoctrination Theory.

No, you just hijack other threads to do it.

Love ya, Jules. Still kickin', I see.

[BatmanTurian]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

But we don't make threads that say you are a moron for not believing in the Indoctrination Theory.

No, you just hijack other threads to do it.

QFT

Honestly, both sides hyjack the other's threads. This is not something only one side does. Let's be intellectually honest here.

[jules_vern18]

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Gamble and Merizan have alluded that there is gameplay. In addition, the wording used to describe the EC says additional scenes, which could mean gameplay.

Is that the same "Shep is on the Citadel" Merizan?

Merizan saw some of the EC footage. someone said they were diappointed there would be no gameplay. She said she didn't know where he'd heard that from.

Also, LOTSB was produced in 2-1/2 months and it's been much longer than that. At this point, you have to be in denial to believe it is only going to be cinematics.

Ok, so you take her word on the EC relating to gameplay on which she didn't even give a proper answer, but when a definite response is given about whether Shepard was on the Citadel, that cannot be taken as evidence for or against IT. Hypocrisy?

Your view that you would have to be denial to believe it is only cinematics is just speculation, however much you might believe it. LOTSB, I would have supposed, was a DLC planned from a long time back and placed firmly in BW's schedule; however, with the EC appearing to be impromptu, reacting to the need for clarity as requested by their fans, that would mean they would have to not only write a new whole script, somehow think about how it would fit with the existing ending, receive feedback from players about what they wanted and reschedule months of their schedule to accomodate this; with all these things, they would greatly extend the time needed for it. They are frankly in no rush either to complete it

Yeah, I don't know why I ever have any conversations with you. It's like talking to a wall.

If you want to concede a point and admit that your point doesn't hold water/stand up to scrutiny, you can just say.

No it's just that you have no idea what you're talking about and if I wasted my time explaining why, you would just refute me again. Anti-IT / IT has turned into something almost political. Why would I waste my time trying to convince someone who is so entrenched that they wouldn't concede themselves?

Lots of projection going on right there...

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

But we don't make threads that say you are a moron for not believing in the Indoctrination Theory.

No, you just hijack other threads to do it.

Love ya, Jules. Still kickin', I see.

There need to be at least one on each side to hijack a thread. It's as much their fault as it is ours. Just ignore the zealot, don't respond.

Simple, isn't it?

[estebanus]

jules_vern18 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Gamble and Merizan have alluded that there is gameplay. In addition, the wording used to describe the EC says additional scenes, which could mean gameplay.

Is that the same "Shep is on the Citadel" Merizan?

Merizan saw some of the EC footage. someone said they were diappointed there would be no gameplay. She said she didn't know where he'd heard that from.

Also, LOTSB was produced in 2-1/2 months and it's been much longer than that. At this point, you have to be in denial to believe it is only going to be cinematics.

Ok, so you take her word on the EC relating to gameplay on which she didn't even give a proper answer, but when a definite response is given about whether Shepard was on the Citadel, that cannot be taken as evidence for or against IT. Hypocrisy?

Your view that you would have to be denial to believe it is only cinematics is just speculation, however much you might believe it. LOTSB, I would have supposed, was a DLC planned from a long time back and placed firmly in BW's schedule; however, with the EC appearing to be impromptu, reacting to the need for clarity as requested by their fans, that would mean they would have to not only write a new whole script, somehow think about how it would fit with the existing ending, receive feedback from players about what they wanted and reschedule months of their schedule to accomodate this; with all these things, they would greatly extend the time needed for it. They are frankly in no rush either to complete it

Yeah, I don't know why I ever have any conversations with you. It's like talking to a wall.

If you want to concede a point and admit that your point doesn't hold water/stand up to scrutiny, you can just say.

No it's just that you have no idea what you're talking about and if I wasted my time explaining why, you would just refute me again. Anti-IT / IT has turned into something almost political. Why would I waste my time trying to convince someone who is so entrenched that they wouldn't concede themselves?

Lots of projection going on right there...

Jules... Didn't you once tell me that there's no sense in talking to the wall? Yet now you're judging people for thinking exactly that?

[BatmanTurian]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

Barsomo92 wrote...

But we don't make threads that say you are a moron for not believing in the Indoctrination Theory.

No, you just hijack other threads to do it.

QFT

Honestly, both sides hyjack the other's threads. This is not something only one side does. Let's be intellectually honest here.

N-

....

Yeeeeah. *guilty smirk*

thanks

[BatmanTurian]

jules_vern18 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Gamble and Merizan have alluded that there is gameplay. In addition, the wording used to describe the EC says additional scenes, which could mean gameplay.

Is that the same "Shep is on the Citadel" Merizan?

Merizan saw some of the EC footage. someone said they were diappointed there would be no gameplay. She said she didn't know where he'd heard that from.

Also, LOTSB was produced in 2-1/2 months and it's been much longer than that. At this point, you have to be in denial to believe it is only going to be cinematics.

Ok, so you take her word on the EC relating to gameplay on which she didn't even give a proper answer, but when a definite response is given about whether Shepard was on the Citadel, that cannot be taken as evidence for or against IT. Hypocrisy?

Your view that you would have to be denial to believe it is only cinematics is just speculation, however much you might believe it. LOTSB, I would have supposed, was a DLC planned from a long time back and placed firmly in BW's schedule; however, with the EC appearing to be impromptu, reacting to the need for clarity as requested by their fans, that would mean they would have to not only write a new whole script, somehow think about how it would fit with the existing ending, receive feedback from players about what they wanted and reschedule months of their schedule to accomodate this; with all these things, they would greatly extend the time needed for it. They are frankly in no rush either to complete it

Yeah, I don't know why I ever have any conversations with you. It's like talking to a wall.

If you want to concede a point and admit that your point doesn't hold water/stand up to scrutiny, you can just say.

No it's just that you have no idea what you're talking about and if I wasted my time explaining why, you would just refute me again. Anti-IT / IT has turned into something almost political. Why would I waste my time trying to convince someone who is so entrenched that they wouldn't concede themselves?

Lots of projection going on right there...

Well, if you got that impression, it's not true. I'm not projecting, simply putting it out there like it is. Anti-IT versus IT has become Democrat/Republican, Atheist/Creationist, Vegans/Omnivores, PETA/Everyone Else.

We've become so polarized that we've forgotten that we all come here to discuss a game series we love. It seems sad to me, but part of human nature. Us VS Them and Tribalism.