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[Beerfish]

There are a few issues here. The 1st and foremost is the quality of the other players in the gold match. There are some elite players that can carry almost a whole gold match by themselves, if you have one of these in the group your chances are very good.

Then there are good players but they need at least decent team mates to win the match. They can't win a match if lesser players are dragging them down.

Then you have a series of fair players that can do well on lesser matches but will get cratered on gold unless they have a true team carrier. (I would be in this category)

I also take issue a bit with the way 'I carried them' gets thrown around on these forums. If the other players are not being flat out stupid and are doing some rez's, doing some objectives and getting killed to take the heat off of you, you are not carrying the team on your back.

[neteng101]

dumdum2 wrote...

Same on bronze and silver, if your team goes down and you know you can solo it, then you'll never fail.

Only do we really want to play with solo-ists?  Cause they can go rambo do their own thing without regard for the rest of the team.  So someone being able to solo might get you credits, but not necessarily a good team player.  I'd rather play with an average team player to a good solo player anyday.

[Phattee Buttz]

You should stick to bronze if you do any of the following:

-Go off on your own and die repeatedly far away from the group.
-Try to solo melee Phantoms, Banshees, and Pyros.
-Focus on maxing your score rather than doing objectives.
-Are shy about using rockets.

I've been seeing a lot of that lately on Silver.

[whateverman7]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

A pulse.

pretty much...once someone buys the game, they are worthy enough to play whatever level they want

[xZBx]

You're ready to "get to the next level" when you've gathered enough info through playing time and reading strategies, and combine all of that into a playing style with decision making as its backbone.

[whateverman7]

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

how so?...what gives you or anyone else the right, power, and authority to dictate to someone else who paid for the game what levels of difficulty to play?....it seems the ones that are trying to do that are the ones that are promoting arrogance and elitism

[whateverman7]

kr3g wrote...

Can solo bronze - go to silver
Can solo silver - go to gold
Can solo gold - well... here is no platina yet.

But most people will not care about your "skill",weapon,N7rank, or character as long as you on bronze/silver

lol at this load of bs.....when did soloing become the judge of someone's skills?

[Doug4130]

whateverman7 wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

A pulse.

pretty much...once someone buys the game, they are worthy enough to play whatever level they want

If you go into a match with a nonsensical build and bad weapons, the other 3 people on the team might have something else to say.  You can't do whatever *you* want in a team based game, but that doesn't mean you can't contribute

[Arppis]

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

This.

Anyone else says something else, they are wrong.

[xtorma]

At least two fingers , at least one eye, The ability to move once in a while.

[P51Mus7ang]

I will play with anyone once, if the player is a team player then I stick around no matter how good or poor they may be, we all have to learn somewhere.

There is as many of us know an evolution from Bronze to Silver and then to Gold. For the most part when you are farily good you can do your own thing on Bronze and survive, chances are you will not last on silver although you will get to a point where you can roam around and do well, Gold is a whole different matter, true some can solo and that is great, I am not one of them, team work is critical as is communication, if you do not have a mic then listen to the leader

[IAMREALITY]

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

You make no sense. The fact is I'm right. On the contrary, almost all the discussion in this thread is rooted in elitism. Soloing this, soloing that? Hogwash. You don't need to be be to solo anything, or reach any requirement for that matter. All you need to do is have the game in your possession with an active online code. Nothing more.

Anyone can play any difficulty they want under whatever terms they see fit. If they have fun dying on gold constantly but with intention of challenging themselves to be better, they without question have the right to do so. Whether or not we would like such a player on our team is irrelevant. They are not playing to serve us, but to satisfy their own desire to play as they see fit. And there is not a thing wrong with it.

How do I know that for certain? Because that's how the developers chose to make the game. Are there ANY requirements that need to be met prior to changing difficulty? Nope. Not one. Why? Because the developers chose to make it inclusive of everybody, each with the ability to choose whatever difficulty they wanted, whenever they wanted, for whatever reasons they wanted. So this entire thread is based on false premise. No matter how much it is discussed, it holds true without question as fact that anybody is worthy whenever they choose to be. There is nothing wrong with learning under a trial by fire atmosphere. What people need to get over is their own selfish sense that others exist to serve their need. This sense that if you're not good enough to consistently reach extraction, that you shouldn't play. Again, hogwash. Not being good enough but learning as you go, is half the fun. Those of us that ARE already at a higher level have a responsibility to teach and nurture those who are learning. We shouldn't be turning them away because we feel they are not yet elite enough.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

IAMREALITY wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

You make no sense. The fact is I'm right.

I just glanced at this thread.


but i'm pretty sure the fact is you being right is an opinion. 

[whateverman7]

Doug4130 wrote...

If you go into a match with a nonsensical build and bad weapons, the other 3 people on the team might have something else to say.  You can't do whatever *you* want in a team based game, but that doesn't mean you can't contribute

doing what you want and being 'worthy' of playing whatever level you want are 2 different things....even with that being said, that's besides the point....once someone pays for the game, they are 'worthy' enough to play whatever level they want cause they paid for the game....once they did that, they can play whatever they want on the game; and you, I, nor anyone else has the right to dictate to them what/what not to do with it, that's the point....

[Pitznik]

IAMREALITY wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

You make no sense. The fact is I'm right. On the contrary, almost all the discussion in this thread is rooted in elitism. Soloing this, soloing that? Hogwash. You don't need to be be to solo anything, or reach any requirement for that matter. All you need to do is have the game in your possession with an active online code. Nothing more.

Anyone can play any difficulty they want under whatever terms they see fit. If they have fun dying on gold constantly but with intention of challenging themselves to be better, they without question have the right to do so. Whether or not we would like such a player on our team is irrelevant. They are not playing to serve us, but to satisfy their own desire to play as they see fit. And there is not a thing wrong with it.

How do I know that for certain? Because that's how the developers chose to make the game. Are there ANY requirements that need to be met prior to changing difficulty? Nope. Not one. Why? Because the developers chose to make it inclusive of everybody, each with the ability to choose whatever difficulty they wanted, whenever they wanted, for whatever reasons they wanted. So this entire thread is based on false premise. No matter how much it is discussed, it holds true without question as fact that anybody is worthy whenever they choose to be. There is nothing wrong with learning under a trial by fire atmosphere. What people need to get over is their own selfish sense that others exist to serve their need. This sense that if you're not good enough to consistently reach extraction, that you shouldn't play. Again, hogwash. Not being good enough but learning as you go, is half the fun. Those of us that ARE already at a higher level have a responsibility to teach and nurture those who are learning. We shouldn't be turning them away because we feel they are not yet elite enough.

I disagree with soloing being a requirement do change difficulty, this is just silly, soloing is pretty different thing, this game is team co-op. But I also disagree with you - buying a game gives you right to play any difficulty, but that doesn't mean you're worthy of doing so. Maybe we simply understand "worthy" differently - for me "worthy" means "being able to contribute in a meaningful way to win the match". That doesn't mean the worst score player is unworthy, even if he is playing damage dealer - even with 4 good players, someone will have to be the worst. When you don't pull your weight you're just a baggage.

Other people do not exist to serve my needs, but neither I exist to serve theirs. It is a co-op, we should all do our part. I am playing silver and I know for sure I can pull us through even if 1 or 2 players should stay on bronze, but if I was about to play gold, I certainly wouldn't like them to join. I probably could pull my own weight on gold, but nothing more - that is the minimum I expect from other players, and if they wouldn't fulfill it, I would certainly try to kick them after failure. Not pleasant for them, not pleasant for me, I would rather avoid such situations.

It is mostly up to THEM to honestly evaluate their ability, knowledge and gear, because if they won't they will either be kicked, fail repeatedly or be carried. I don't consider any of those to be satisfying for me, and I rather spare that to everyone who is willing to check those boards and read some. So I rather promote the "be honest with yourself and stick to difficulty you still need to put the effort to succeed" view than "everyone can do it! come on, join in!" view. I find the former approach more responsible, wasting 3 other people's time is not really a good thing.

[PsychoticFox]

*reads through thread*

Yeah, I'm never leaving Bronze. -.-

[Pitznik]

whateverman7 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

how
so?...what gives you or anyone else the right, power, and authority
to dictate to someone else who paid for the game what levels of
difficulty to play?....it seems the ones that are trying to do that are
the ones that are promoting arrogance and elitism

I have right to post my opinion.

My only power is kick button/exit lobby button.

I don't have any real authority, unless you're willing to consider greater knowledge and experience an authority, but I have no way to enforce it, except the mentioned above kick button.

What I am doing is giving a friendly advice, to save both new players and myself the lost games, or needless kicks. Whoever reds it is free to either at least think about it, or completely disregard it. I am not being arrogant, because I measure myself in exactly the same way I measure others.

[DVS27t]

donnyrides wrote...

 I see a lot of people out here talking about "not ready for higher levels", or "not good enough to play silver or gold"

I would like to know what makes a player "good enough" to play higher levels than Bronze. Does having a (supergun name here) make you a worthy silver or gold player? Does having deeper pockets than the next player make you eligible since you can afford to spend real money on endless PSPs to get all the gear and guns?

Does N7 rating make you ready to play silver?

I guess I don't know the measuring stick. There must be a measure right? 

I was under the impression that anybody who paid money for a product could use the product as they see fit, but apparently there is a secret  "you must be taller than this line to ride" that we should all be aware of.

N7 25's of the community, go play silver or gold if you want. Don't let other players bully you into thinking you are only qualified for bronze.

Bring on the flames, but somebody has to defend the little guy.

There is a certain level of time needed to understand how the game works. 

1.) Knowing spawns, how to control them, and where to stand to keep from flipping them on your teammates.  No one likes to get something spawning behind them because you went to the wrong ammo box at the wrong time.

2.)  Knowing how to build out a character for maximum damage at higher levels.  It is possible to run around with a widow and a Geth plasma shotgun while using a drell adept on bronze because they AI is so forgiving, that you can probably get a lot of kills with that kind of firepower.  However, that loadout will get you killed quickly on silver or bronze in a hurry due to the fact that the character is a power spammer without much of an option for huge weapon damage builds.  If you go into a silver or gold room, chances are I would leave or try to kick you as my backpack is already full enough.

3.)  Guns do play a factor if you are using something like an engineer, infiltrator or soldier.  The Avenger is a great gun on bronze as it has a high rate of fire and tons of ammo.  On gold, it struggles horribly compared to something like the Saber or Cerberus Harrier.  If you are carrying a soldier into gold with the avenger, you aren't really going to be carrying your weight.  Obviously, there is some level of luck involved with getting the harder hitting guns...

4.)  Knowing how to use your character.  If you have something like an asari adept or human sentinel and you aren't biotic exploding ****, you are doing your teammates a disservice.  On the same token, if you enter a room with 3 tech burst builds and are dead set on using your adept, you won't be exploding much. 

5.) Not dying.. I see tons of people just run out into the open or get pincered in between spawns and get nuked.  If people see you doing this, you are making their job harder and will likely get kicked come rounds end.  I see a lot of people who only see taking cover as the annoying thing that happens when you are trying to revive someone, not realizing that it's in the game for a reason.

A lot of this might seem elementary to most here on the forums, but I mention it all because I have seen randoms who do the most ridiculously stupid things.

I had a guy with an infiltrator running around with a shuriken and ****ing that he wasn't getting any kills.  Seriously?

[Deihjan]

Personally I've never tried a successful silver mission above wave 5 with random people.
I prefer to play bronze, because then the random retards I know I will get grouped with won't cause too much damage when they think they can solo a banshee.

As for my own skill level, I think I'm horrible. I'm actually pretty sure I am quite awful at multiplayer. I stick with the group, however, and I try not to **** it up too badly either.
I don't use my microphone for two reasons - I'm shy, and I'm a chick. I don't need 14 year old boys to scream "OMG TEH BEWBS. A GURL" when I play games. I game to relax.

I don't think I'd want to play silver or gold with a pure random team... I've been burned too many times in multiplayer games before to trust anyone but myself.

[Deihjan]

DVS27t wrote...

I had a guy with an infiltrator running around with a shuriken and ****ing that he wasn't getting any kills.  Seriously?

Ouch..

While I may not play the classes I prefer (I've played a vanguard for most of my singleplayer ME 'career' and I love playing Engineer in multi) very well, I'd like to at least think I am more credit to the team than that

I prefer asault rifles over smgs and as a vanguard I was never very talented with the whole charge-shotgun to the face-run to cover-tactic, but out of fear of what others might think of me in multi I picked the engineer instead..

[Miniditka77]

whateverman7 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Great way to promote arrogance and self-entitlement.

how so?...what gives you or anyone else the right, power, and authority to dictate to someone else who paid for the game what levels of difficulty to play?....it seems the ones that are trying to do that are the ones that are promoting arrogance and elitism

It all depends on how you interpret the question.  If you're asking who has the right to play silver/gold, then of course the answer is: anyone who paid for the game.  Anyone who says anything else is elitist (among other negative adjectives).  I tend not to think this is the point of the thread, or else it's a pretty pointless thread.

If you're asking whether it's a good idea for certain players to play silver/gold, then the thread is more useful.  And  just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

[whateverman7]

Pitznik wrote...

I have right to post my opinion.

My only power is kick button/exit lobby button.

I don't have any real authority, unless you're willing to consider greater knowledge and experience an authority, but I have no way to enforce it, except the mentioned above kick button.

What I am doing is giving a friendly advice, to save both new players and myself the lost games, or needless kicks. Whoever reds it is free to either at least think about it, or completely disregard it. I am not being arrogant, because I measure myself in exactly the same way I measure others.

you're correct, you do have the right to post your opinion...i didnt challenge that, i just dont agree with said opinion that was posted...

yes, you have the right to kick and/or leave a lobby/game....but that has nothing to do with determining if someone is worthy to play above bronze....which is a power you dont have

Modifié par whateverman7, 18 juin 2012 - 09:07 .

[whateverman7]

Miniditka77 wrote...

It all depends on how you interpret the question.  If you're asking who has the right to play silver/gold, then of course the answer is: anyone who paid for the game.  Anyone who says anything else is elitist (among other negative adjectives).  I tend not to think this is the point of the thread, or else it's a pretty pointless thread.

If you're asking whether it's a good idea for certain players to play silver/gold, then the thread is more useful.  And  just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

i went back and re-read the op just to make sure i got a good understanding of the question...and i believe the question is exactly what you describe in your first paragraph....it seems the thread is in response to others saying such and such players arent ready/worthy enough to play above bronze because of (insert reason)

as for the rest of your post: says who?...once you pay for the game, you can play whatever level of difficulty you want...there is no standard nor level you have to reach to play different difficulty levels...it might be frustrating cause of lack of weapons, mods, gear, consumables, and characters, but a new consumer can put the game in and go straight to gold if they want....not saying they should, but they can....they are 'worthy' enough....which is cool....just like it's cool, you as a consumer have the right to not play with that person by kicking them and/or leaving the lobby

[Ektogamut]

whateverman7 wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

It all depends on how you interpret the question.  If you're asking who has the right to play silver/gold, then of course the answer is: anyone who paid for the game.  Anyone who says anything else is elitist (among other negative adjectives).  I tend not to think this is the point of the thread, or else it's a pretty pointless thread.

If you're asking whether it's a good idea for certain players to play silver/gold, then the thread is more useful.  And  just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

i went back and re-read the op just to make sure i got a good understanding of the question...and i believe the question is exactly what you describe in your first paragraph....it seems the thread is in response to others saying such and such players arent ready/worthy enough to play above bronze because of (insert reason)

as for the rest of your post: says who?...once you pay for the game, you can play whatever level of difficulty you want...there is no standard nor level you have to reach to play different difficulty levels...it might be frustrating cause of lack of weapons, mods, gear, consumables, and characters, but a new consumer can put the game in and go straight to gold if they want....not saying they should, but they can....they are 'worthy' enough....which is cool....just like it's cool, you as a consumer have the right to not play with that person by kicking them and/or leaving the lobby

It seems  like saying just because you can do something means that you are "worthy" of doing something.  Yes?

[Pitznik]

whateverman7 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

I have right to post my opinion.

My only power is kick button/exit lobby button.

I don't have any real authority, unless you're willing to consider greater knowledge and experience an authority, but I have no way to enforce it, except the mentioned above kick button.

What I am doing is giving a friendly advice, to save both new players and myself the lost games, or needless kicks. Whoever reds it is free to either at least think about it, or completely disregard it. I am not being arrogant, because I measure myself in exactly the same way I measure others.

you're correct, you do have the right to post your opinion...i didnt challenge that, i just dont agree with said opinion that was posted...

yes, you have the right to kick and/or leave a lobby/game....but that has nothing to do with determining if someone is worthy to play above bronze....which is a power you dont have

Now we're arguing semantics. I said before what I understand as "worthy" - for me "being worthy of gold" doesn't mean "having right to play gold", but rather as "having accumulated enough knowledge, experience skill and gear to be a worthy teammate to other people playing gold". While first is undeniable, second is subjective, but certainly real. First doesn't even need to be discussed, as Miniditka77 explained, so I assumed we discuss the second. I suppose the word "worthy" was a bad choice of OP, since "unworthy" is borderline offensive. I would rather talk about people being "ready" and "not ready".