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[donnyrides]

3 pages in and only about 3 posts hit on what my actual point was. It is nice that it morphed into a "help me know if I'm ready" thread, as it will probably help people and a lot of great posts were added about it.

I was actually trying to point out a terrible darkness that is starting to consume this forum and a lot of players online (xbox 360 anyway). I am an N7 360 + with a fairly decent Manifest. I can play at any level and contribute or carry. I get the most enjoyment out of this game by showing N7 15's the ropes and sticking with one from N7 15 to N7 80 + in a night. I am seeing that more and more people are dropping real money on packs to fast-track their way to "elite" status with a super-gun X because of all the players that kicked them or verbally assaulted them over the mic rolling with an Avenger VII on silver.

Elites - If you don't like the group you end up in, back out. If you are truly as elite as you think you are, help a guy out instead of straight up bashing them into only playing bronze.

I love the post on here about the guy who started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over again because you have been trained by other players to think that you can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best perma-gear.

Thanks for contributing everyone

[Emm_a]

I've done Gold with my Level 1 Drell Vanguard with a Carnifex X and came in 2nd place. If you got the skills, know your maps, power combos, and have a good gun you can do either. N7 Level usually dictates(at least to me) how much you have played the game and that usually gives people the idea that you know what you're doing. If you're N7 20 with a Human Soldier 20 and are trying to do Gold, you're gonna get kicked. If you want to try out Gold, take some experienced buddies to help you.

[ArcTrooper1773]

I love the post on here about the guy who started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over again because you have been trained by other players to think that you can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best perma-gear.

Thanks  I'm hoping they'll at least start playing silver now - especially as they were doing pretty good!  I should've also mentioned we completed the objective (ACTIVATE ALL THE THINGS! with no infiltrators ).

Might do it again at some point to see what happens - I'm totally making a thread if we ace it and make full extraction!

[DVS27t]

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Your statement is incredibly subjective, based on what you consider to be "playing the game." 

If you consider entering a match, then sure.  However, if you consider "playing the game" to be alive and physically engaged in the match as it progresses, then it becomes quite a bit more complicated.  Anyone is entitled to enter a match based on the fact that they are free to select their search settings as they please.  That doens't mean said person won't spend the entire match watching others play if they are in over their heads.  I don't consider watching others because that person is dead every round and likely in places where they can't be revived, "playing the game."

I realize that you are trolling, but just thought I would add that bit anyways.

[Deihjan]

ArcTrooper1773 wrote...

I love the post on here about the guy who started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over again because you have been trained by other players to think that you can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best perma-gear.

Thanks  I'm hoping they'll at least start playing silver now - especially as they were doing pretty good!  I should've also mentioned we completed the objective (ACTIVATE ALL THE THINGS! with no infiltrators ).

Might do it again at some point to see what happens - I'm totally making a thread if we ace it and make full extraction!

It would be awesome to actually try something like that, though I doubt I have the courage/idiocy to actually try hosting a game and then switching it to gold

You shouldn't just make a thread, you should make a group so you can get people who are interested in trying out a bronze-suddenly-gold-mission, and make a random team on a random day at a random hour.

[Major Durza]

Stick with your team, figure out what weapons and clases you can do well with, see what your teammates are picking and pick your class accordingly... Its a team game, easiest runs are with a synergized team.
If you are a team player, then you can move above Bronze.

[Docwagon1776]

 Start in bronze.  Once its too easy, play Silver.  Once its too easy, play Gold.  Simple, really.  Its a progression.  If you jump straight into Gold with your Avenger III on your level 7 human soldier, you aren't doing yourself or your teammates any favors.

[IAMREALITY]

DVS27t wrote...

IAMREALITY wrote...

The fact they're playing the game. Any other answer is simply wrong.

Your statement is incredibly subjective, based on what you consider to be "playing the game." 

If you consider entering a match, then sure.  However, if you consider "playing the game" to be alive and physically engaged in the match as it progresses, then it becomes quite a bit more complicated.  Anyone is entitled to enter a match based on the fact that they are free to select their search settings as they please.  That doens't mean said person won't spend the entire match watching others play if they are in over their heads.  I don't consider watching others because that person is dead every round and likely in places where they can't be revived, "playing the game."

I realize that you are trolling, but just thought I would add that bit anyways.

For what it's worth any time someone calls me a troll I can't help thinking how downright moronic they sound.

And there are no semantical arguments within my statement. Watching after bleeding out is part of the game. Yes, they are playing it. If some asked "hey, watcha doin?", the person would respond "I'm playing me3" not "I'm watching people play me3". Yup, the latter does sound pretty stupid don't it.

[Rebellious82]

I'm quite confident that anyone who reads these forums is already better than a sizable portion of the players on Gold. At least they should have a basic understanding of how the majority of the classes work.

[IAMREALITY]

donnyrides wrote...

3 pages in and only about 3 posts hit on what my actual point was. It is nice that it morphed into a "help me know if I'm ready" thread, as it will probably help people and a lot of great posts were added about it.

I was actually trying to point out a terrible darkness that is starting to consume this forum and a lot of players online (xbox 360 anyway). I am an N7 360 + with a fairly decent Manifest. I can play at any level and contribute or carry. I get the most enjoyment out of this game by showing N7 15's the ropes and sticking with one from N7 15 to N7 80 + in a night. I am seeing that more and more people are dropping real money on packs to fast-track their way to "elite" status with a super-gun X because of all the players that kicked them or verbally assaulted them over the mic rolling with an Avenger VII on silver.

Elites - If you don't like the group you end up in, back out. If you are truly as elite as you think you are, help a guy out instead of straight up bashing them into only playing bronze.

I love the post on here about the guy who started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over again because you have been trained by other players to think that you can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best perma-gear.

Thanks for contributing everyone

I figured as much. Thanks for the clarification and for starting this thread. Like I had said, all of us with experience should feel responsible and eager to nurture and coach those who are learning, rather than pressure them with unrealistic expectations that they have to already be good enough in order to play. No learning allowed. Such a ridiculous attitude imho. Anyway, good thread and kudos for playing with the right attitude!

[Dynamik78]

donnyrides wrote...

 I see a lot of people out here talking about "not ready for higher levels", or "not good enough to play silver or gold"

I would like to know what makes a player "good enough" to play higher levels than Bronze. Does having a (supergun name here) make you a worthy silver or gold player? Does having deeper pockets than the next player make you eligible since you can afford to spend real money on endless PSPs to get all the gear and guns?

Does N7 rating make you ready to play silver?

I guess I don't know the measuring stick. There must be a measure right? 

I was under the impression that anybody who paid money for a product could use the product as they see fit, but apparently there is a secret  "you must be taller than this line to ride" that we should all be aware of.

N7 25's of the community, go play silver or gold if you want. Don't let other players bully you into thinking you are only qualified for bronze.

Bring on the flames, but somebody has to defend the little guy.

As long as you are not a burden to the team diing 10/100 times in a match you are good to play gold

[Pitznik]

IAMREALITY wrote...

donnyrides wrote...

3 pages in and only about 3 posts hit on what my actual point was. It is nice that it morphed into a "help me know if I'm ready" thread, as it will probably help people and a lot of great posts were added about it.

I was actually trying to point out a terrible darkness that is starting to consume this forum and a lot of players online (xbox 360 anyway). I am an N7 360 + with a fairly decent Manifest. I can play at any level and contribute or carry. I get the most enjoyment out of this game by showing N7 15's the ropes and sticking with one from N7 15 to N7 80 + in a night. I am seeing that more and more people are dropping real money on packs to fast-track their way to "elite" status with a super-gun X because of all the players that kicked them or verbally assaulted them over the mic rolling with an Avenger VII on silver.

Elites - If you don't like the group you end up in, back out. If you are truly as elite as you think you are, help a guy out instead of straight up bashing them into only playing bronze.

I love the post on here about the guy who started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over again because you have been trained by other players to think that you can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best perma-gear.

Thanks for contributing everyone

I figured as much. Thanks for the clarification and for starting this thread. Like I had said, all of us with experience should feel responsible and eager to nurture and coach those who are learning, rather than pressure them with unrealistic expectations that they have to already be good enough in order to play. No learning allowed. Such a ridiculous attitude imho. Anyway, good thread and kudos for playing with the right attitude!

There is some learning curve, bronze - silver - gold. You can learn much more by playing the game yourself than by watching someone play while you're dead, or just by being carried. Every single skill in the world is learned and teached from basic to advanced, not the other way round. By boosting someone to easy credits, you're not teaching him anything. You will only make his expectations unrealistic and he will just get kicked next day :/

[Mr. Heavy]

Ok, "worthy" of playing silver is, as you have pointed out, a loaded question. But here's a try.

If, after 5 or so rounds on silver, you are dying so much that you are not having fun, you should practice more on bronze (or at least try a different class). If silver is frustrating for you, it's probably frustrating for your teammates as well, and 5 or so rounds should be enough to get over the initial "wow this is harder" shock.

[Kusy]

What makes somebody worthy of playing above bronze?

A mouse and a keyboard.

[Aiiro]

Fully understanding the character you are using (strengths and weaknesses), and being a team player.

At least in my opinion.

[Kusy]

( ) this much of confidence and nothing more. And no, playing on Bronze is not a good way of getting ready for Silver. Playing on Silver long enough to stop failing is.

[FineMelcior]

donnyrides wrote...

3 pages in and only about 3 posts hit
on what my actual point was. It is nice that it morphed into a "help me
know if I'm ready" thread, as it will probably help people and a lot of
great posts were added about it.

I was actually trying to point
out a terrible darkness that is starting to consume this forum and a lot
of players online (xbox 360 anyway). I am an N7 360 + with a fairly
decent Manifest. I can play at any level and contribute or carry. I get
the most enjoyment out of this game by showing N7 15's the ropes and
sticking with one from N7 15 to N7 80 + in a night. I am seeing that
more and more people are dropping real money on packs to fast-track
their way to "elite" status with a super-gun X because of all the
players that kicked them or verbally assaulted them over the mic rolling
with an Avenger VII on silver.

Elites - If you don't like the
group you end up in, back out. If you are truly as elite as you think
you are, help a guy out instead of straight up bashing them into only
playing bronze.

I love the post on here about the guy who
started a game with bronze as the setting, then changing it to gold just
to see what happened. The guys who thought they could only hang on
bronze made it to wave 6 on gold. That is pretty good and far more
lucrative credit-wise and XP-wise than dominating bronze over and over
again because you have been trained by other players to think that you
can only roll gold if you have an N7 (gun-name_here) X and all the best
perma-gear.

Thanks for contributing everyone

I certainly agree with you that it is very satisfying to help out new players in learning the ropes. had one drop into a Silver lobby (random enemy and Firebase) that I was in with my lvl 20 Taurian Sentinel. He was a lvl 17 Human Soldier (N7 19). The lobby also contained another TS (lvl 16, N7 130) and a Human Adept (lvl 9, N7 44), so not the greatestest looking squad, but I have never left a lobby just becasue of low N7 levels (my N7 lvl is 240 btw, I don't promote much:P). We got all the way to wave 9 (Dagger vs Reaper), me and the other Tuarian did have to do a fair amount of reviving I'll admit, but I didn't think the HA or HS were too terrible (although neither seemed to have brought any Medi-Gel). I did have to virtually solo wave 6 (the 4 points objective) and did have to solo wave 8, but we were getting through, until a Banshee and her magnet hands insta-killed me through a wall:crying:. We wiped shortly after that.

Despite this I always enjoy such missions, it feels real good helping others out and I always remember I was new at this once as well:innocent:

Modifié par FineMelcior, 18 juin 2012 - 10:41 .

[Strict31]

donnyrides wrote...

 I see a lot of people out here talking about "not ready for higher levels", or "not good enough to play silver or gold"

I would like to know what makes a player "good enough" to play higher levels than Bronze. Does having a (supergun name here) make you a worthy silver or gold player? Does having deeper pockets than the next player make you eligible since you can afford to spend real money on endless PSPs to get all the gear and guns?

Does N7 rating make you ready to play silver?

I guess I don't know the measuring stick. There must be a measure right? 

I was under the impression that anybody who paid money for a product could use the product as they see fit, but apparently there is a secret  "you must be taller than this line to ride" that we should all be aware of.

N7 25's of the community, go play silver or gold if you want. Don't let other players bully you into thinking you are only qualified for bronze.

Bring on the flames, but somebody has to defend the little guy.

Sarcasm detector: ENGAGED.

Lookit...this is the Internet, and there are a lot of ****s on the Internet, right? ****s crap out of lot of sh*tty things that you shouldn't bother to address.

Where an **** might say, "You're not worthy of playing on Gold!" a slightly more socially-balanced personality might instead say, "perhaps you are not yet ready."

There's a world of difference between those two statements, but the base concept is unchanged: some folks do not have the necessary skills to attempt higher difficulty games. 

Yet.

Obviously, they paid for the damn game, so they are just as worthy as anyone else to play whatever difficulty they damn well please. Doesn't mean they're ready for higher difficulties...and that's a valid thing to suggest to a person who is struggling through lower difficulty games.

All skills can be improved in theory. And usually in practice. The path of learning is one that has no final destination.

[Miniditka77]

stupid me responded to wrong post, no wonder I can't hit anything with my widow, grumble grumble...

Modifié par Miniditka77, 18 juin 2012 - 10:54 .

[Miniditka77]

whateverman7 wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

It all depends on how you interpret the question.  If you're asking who has the right to play silver/gold, then of course the answer is: anyone who paid for the game.  Anyone who says anything else is elitist (among other negative adjectives).  I tend not to think this is the point of the thread, or else it's a pretty pointless thread.

If you're asking whether it's a good idea for certain players to play silver/gold, then the thread is more useful.  And  just because you have the right to do something doesn't mean you should do it.

i went back and re-read the op just to make sure i got a good understanding of the question...and i believe the question is exactly what you describe in your first paragraph....it seems the thread is in response to others saying such and such players arent ready/worthy enough to play above bronze because of (insert reason)

as for the rest of your post: says who?...once you pay for the game, you can play whatever level of difficulty you want...there is no standard nor level you have to reach to play different difficulty levels...it might be frustrating cause of lack of weapons, mods, gear, consumables, and characters, but a new consumer can put the game in and go straight to gold if they want....not saying they should, but they can....they are 'worthy' enough....which is cool....just like it's cool, you as a consumer have the right to not play with that person by kicking them and/or leaving the lobby

I think you're right re: the point of the thread.

Re: my second paragraph, I think you're missing the point.  I'm not saying "shouldn't" in the moral sense, I'm saying "shouldn't" in the "is it a good idea" sense.  For example, by saying someone shouldn't move up to Silver, I I mean that they would enjoy themselves more playing Bronze and they would probably develop skills better by shooting stuff on Bronze than by lying on their back in Silver.  I'm not going to kick somebody because I think they should be playing a lower difficulty level, but if people want my opinion, I'll give it to them.

[SilentBacon]

If you constantly go down in bronze, stay there.

[Raziel1030]

Stick with your team and do objectives. Also, try to learn about your character enough to hold your own. The gear will come. I think a smart team player can go to silver fairly quickly.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

donnyrides wrote...

I would like to know what makes a player "good enough" to play higher levels than Bronze.

When they feel comfortable and unchallenged in bronze, it's time to jump to silver. That's my motto.

I usually don't kick people unless they're level 1 in a gold lobby or taking forever to get ready though.

[Elevon]

Aiiro wrote...

Fully understanding the character you are using (strengths and weaknesses), and being a team player.

At least in my opinion.

About right  IMHO,I normally play on Bronze or Silver depending on if its low or high level character and what normally kills my team on Silver is the hacking objective  on  wave 10 where you get  too many geth  pyro's/hunters on you at once  and everybody is  running around dying and reviving players,Silver is not too hard with a decent team but its no pushover going up from Bronze if you get geth.

I normally end up dying on Silver from reviving players rather then just getting  killed out right .I play more cautious on Silver and you  have to have eyes in the back of your neck with geth hunters about.

End of the day just give it a  try and see how you do,Bronze is  easy for me and Silver is about my level(keeps me on my toes),Gold too hard for me, think highest I got was wave 8  on Gold when all team was dead. 

I'm an older player almost 50 so don't have the fast  reflexes of  the  younger players(my excuse and sticking with it hehe).

Modifié par Elevon, 18 juin 2012 - 11:29 .