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iggy4566 wrote...

 I would honestly like to hear why some of ya defend the endings?

The first part of the answer is that people enjoyed the ending and found  it an emotionally satisfying conlcusion. This is personal and essentially impossible to prove incorrect. There's a significant question of degree here: I personally think the ending fails due to vagueness and incompleteness, but don't require a radical rewrite.

As to why people actually defend the ending, there are very few here that would defend it without reservation.  I'd certainly imagine the urge to defend it at all is strengthened by the desire to be on the other side of any argument from several particular posters, a point of view I have quite a lot of sympathy for.

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xsdob wrote...

So..............................................................................................................anything productive happen yet?



Depends on your definition of productive.

If by productive you mean it fulfilled my amusement for 30 minutes while my food cooked, it was very productive.

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iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.



Doesn't mean they owe you one.

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xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.


People do not like other people saying how stupid they are for liking something.

There, that answers your question. Any further questions, please do not hesiatate to either ask here or with a pm.


i never said that ya folk were dumb for liking it I simply asked why ya defend it.

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KotorEffect3 wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.



Doesn't mean they owe you one.

If they don't want to post then they don't have to

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It's post like this that make me laugh at all of your stupidity in this forum.

And I know this is not helping foster a rational discussion or whatever, but **** off, this post is like this thread, pure troll bait.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 18 juin 2012 - 10:15 .


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iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.



Doesn't mean they owe you one.

If they don't want to post then they don't have to


Fair enough, the way these forums are right now it is easy to skeptical of people's intentions.

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LinksOcarina wrote...

It's post like this that make me laugh at all of your stupidity in this forum.

And I know this is not helping foster a rational discussion or whatever, but **** off, this post is like this thread, pure troll bait.


my Op ?

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gert56nom wrote...

as people have had to explain the ending with large amounts of text , then the ending has failed


And what about those who use a large amount of text to explain why it´s bad??

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I for one, find the ending to be a smoldering pile of ****.

But I "defend" the ending... because Bioware's writers and team have the right to tell their story however they wish; whether the fans like that ending or not is largely irrelevant to my defense. If this is really the ending they want... good for them. Fans can show their displeasure with their wallets the next time Bioware tries to sell them something.

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iggy4566 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.


People do not like other people saying how stupid they are for liking something.

There, that answers your question. Any further questions, please do not hesiatate to either ask here or with a pm.


i never said that ya folk were dumb for liking it I simply asked why ya defend it.


I just gave the reason, you did not say anything overtly negative about pro-enders, but many people do. People get mad, post are thrown back and forth, and nothing get's accomplished.

That's basically it, people don't like their personal choices criticized, even if you didn't others here do, and that leads to the need to defend our position. It's all rather reactionary, just taken too far.

I don't approve of others going on the offensive for the ending, but that I attribute to the bad apple line going around here, some people are jerks, and jerks can be on either side of a fight.

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xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.


People do not like other people saying how stupid they are for liking something.

There, that answers your question. Any further questions, please do not hesiatate to either ask here or with a pm.


i never said that ya folk were dumb for liking it I simply asked why ya defend it.


I just gave the reason, you did not say anything overtly negative about pro-enders, but many people do. People get mad, post are thrown back and forth, and nothing get's accomplished.

That's basically it, people don't like their personal choices criticized, even if you didn't others here do, and that leads to the need to defend our position. It's all rather reactionary, just taken too far.

I don't approve of others going on the offensive for the ending, but that I attribute to the bad apple line going around here, some people are jerks, and jerks can be on either side of a fight.



Even though I HATE the endings the folk on both sides who personaly attack people is really dickish.

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iggy4566 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

OP the people that like ending just like it. They don't owe you any explanation for liking something you don't.


I asked why people defend it so yeah I want an explanation.


People do not like other people saying how stupid they are for liking something.

There, that answers your question. Any further questions, please do not hesiatate to either ask here or with a pm.


i never said that ya folk were dumb for liking it I simply asked why ya defend it.


I just gave the reason, you did not say anything overtly negative about pro-enders, but many people do. People get mad, post are thrown back and forth, and nothing get's accomplished.

That's basically it, people don't like their personal choices criticized, even if you didn't others here do, and that leads to the need to defend our position. It's all rather reactionary, just taken too far.

I don't approve of others going on the offensive for the ending, but that I attribute to the bad apple line going around here, some people are jerks, and jerks can be on either side of a fight.



Even though I HATE the endings the folk on both sides who personaly attack people is really dickish.


Agreed wholeheartedly!

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Seriously, where's Spiderman when you need him?

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xsdob wrote...

iggy4566 wrote...

Even though I HATE the endings the folk on both sides who personaly attack people is really dickish.


Agreed wholeheartedly!

Likewise

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Baa Baa wrote...

Seriously, where's Spiderman when you need him?


At the seen of the crime! 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par iggy4566, 18 juin 2012 - 11:22 .


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Here's my defense:
Is the ending poorly written? Yes, in many areas.

However, conceptually, it's not as terrible as a lot of people make it out to be.

People say they disagree with the Catalyst, and that they feel like their choices didn't matter, and that the fact that they cured the Genophage or made Quarian/Geth peace should allow for their Shepard to disagree.

But I agree with the Catalyst. If you replace "Synthetics" with "technology", and "rebel" with "destroy" conceptually, then what the Catalyst is saying makes sense, and I think that's what they were going for logically. Hell, it's what they were going for logically in the scrapped Dark Energy ending. In that ending, technology created Dark Energy and would destroy everyone, so the Reapers harvest advanced civilizations to prevent that from happening. The current ending just has the Dark Energy impetus removed. They are harvesting advanced life so that new life can prosper.

Truth is, technology DOES destroy the world. Our cars pollute the atmosphere. Our weapons allow for us to slaughter innocents and over-hunt animals. Technology progression goes hand in hand with the end of civilizations. Those civilizations that didn't progress technologically were wiped out and assimilated.

Just because Shepard cures the Genophage and creates peace once doesn't mean that everything is saved forever. In the future, some Krogans could still hate the Salarians, even with Wrex and Eve to potentially stop them. Some Salarians don't like the curing of the Genophage, and could very easily try to stop the Krogans again. Future races may create more A.I.'s with the Geth out there, and future A.I.'s might not be able to be saved like the Geth were. Joker and EDI getting together doesn't make it so the entirety of human/android relations are perfect forever. These civilizations, with their technology, still have the potential to destroy each other and younger civilizations.

Look at the Salarians. We can see that they are trying to uplift/modify the Yahg. This is exactly what the Reapers are trying to stop.

At the end of the day, the Crucible is a bizarre piece of work (writing-wise), the Catalyst does not explain himself well enough, and the ending is very lazily recolored.

However, the idea of the Catalyst, the idea of his choices, are valid. I understood why the Reapers fought against us. I also agreed with the Catalyst when he said a very important line:
"But you're proof that my solution won't work anymore."

The Catalyst is saying that advancing civilizations may eventually destroy everything, and that just harvesting them clearly won't work, because Shepard has managed to bring them together to fight. He acknowledges that PERHAPS people can grow to work together, but he still needs to have an ultimate solution to the technology problem to be fully satisfied. He allows you to do as you wish, destroy or control the reapers. They have unintended consequences, sure, but those are the options you've been grappling with for the whole game. If you didn't think an Illusive Man-type choice was gonna be available, you're mistaken. It's the entire point for using him in that role, to foreshadow that possibility.

Synthesis is space-magic. But so is a naturally occurring element that when injected with energy, creates a field that modifies the mass of everything inside it. The foundations of the Mass Effect universe are built on space-magic.

That's why I don't hate the ending. I just can't.

Modifié par AxeloftheKey, 18 juin 2012 - 11:23 .


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darkchief10 wrote...

what ending?



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The ending is complete garbage. The catalyst, the space magic, and planet inbreed its all terrible

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check the links in my sig if you are actually interested in hearing some of the better explained reasons people have given for liking the ending.

Also, AxeloftheKey, I very much agree with your post.

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There are already many threads in this forum discussing the ending. Please join one of them. Thank you.

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