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[Aulis Vaara]

Is it just me, or is it a bit ridiculous that a game you can now buy for ten bucks or so has 47 bucks worth of DLC? Any chance of these prices ever going down?

[Rxdiaz]

Most DLC is a complete ripoff...

[Wulfram]

Bioware DLC doesn't seem to reduce in price.

And yes, it seems sort of ridiculous. They could at least do a sale occasionally

[Emzamination]

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

[Wulfram]

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

Because you can buy full games of similar vintage for less money.

[Emzamination]

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

Because you can buy full games of similar vintage for less money.

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

[Reznik23]

Rxdiaz wrote...

Most DLC is a complete ripoff...

Yep - 100% true.

Online connectivity in general erodes & devalues the single gamer experience.

[Wulfram]

Emzamination wrote...

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

No need for pity.

It's just a question of whether Bioware will get my money or not.  They won't, unless they offer their products at prices that represent value for money compared to other products on the market.

Modifié par Wulfram, 18 juin 2012 - 11:09 .

[21121313]

Emzamination wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

Because you can buy full games of similar vintage for less money.

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

The same here for me. I feel that every piece of the Dragon Age DLC was well worth the purchase in my case. It's one of the few games that i have purchased all the DLC for to be honest because i knew it would be worth it thanks to the first game's DLC.

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

[Emzamination]

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

No need for pity.

It's just a question of whether Bioware will get my money or not.  They won't, unless they offer their products at prices that represent value for money compared to other products on the market.

What do you mean? It makes perfect business sense, the game was 60 dollars retail when it was released.The game has since hit the 20 dollar mark so to recoup monetary losses whether intentional or not all dlc is priced at 40 dollars together bringing the complete game back to 60 dollars, the price of release.I'm sure bioware loves its fan base but it is a company first and foremost and needs to make a profit off everything it puts into production.I find it amusing that those who waited for the game to hit 20 dollars still have to end up playing full price for the complete thing.It is not profitable or wise to sit on your hands waiting for deals and discounts.

[Emzamination]

21121313 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

Because you can buy full games of similar vintage for less money.

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

The same here for me. I feel that every piece of the Dragon Age DLC was well worth the purchase in my case. It's one of the few games that i have purchased all the DLC for to be honest because i knew it would be worth it thanks to the first game's DLC.

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

Oh you aren't kidding, I just wish they would've finished the expansion and produced more 

[Sakanade]

Emzamination wrote...

21121313 wrote...

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

Oh you aren't kidding, I just wish they would've finished the expansion and produced more 

www.youtube.com/watch


The DLC for Origins were welcome additions to the story.
the DAII DLC isn't really worth the money.
Legacy is kinda okay and all, but still not worth that kind of money.

Modifié par Sakanade, 18 juin 2012 - 11:51 .

[Realmzmaster]

Sakanade wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

21121313 wrote...

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

Oh you aren't kidding, I just wish they would've finished the expansion and produced more 

www.youtube.com/watch


The DLC for Origins were welcome additions to the story.
the DAII DLC isn't really worth the money.
Legacy is kinda okay and all, but still not worth that kind of money.

IMHO the dlc for DAO were not very good. The expansion was good not great. The DLCs for DA2 was better overall than the dlc for DAO.

[Realmzmaster]

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

Because you can buy full games of similar vintage for less money.

And gamers are free to do so. The DLC is optional. If you want it pay the price. Otherwise pass. Bioware does not have to lower the price.

[Emzamination]

Sakanade wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

21121313 wrote...

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

Oh you aren't kidding, I just wish they would've finished the expansion and produced more 

www.youtube.com/watch


The DLC for Origins were welcome additions to the story.
the DAII DLC isn't really worth the money.
Legacy is kinda okay and all, but still not worth that kind of money.

I disagree, legacy opened up some rich potential for pro-mage characters regarding a certain pendant.

[Sakanade]

Emzamination wrote...


I disagree, legacy opened up some rich potential for pro-mage characters regarding a certain pendant.

Uhh.. okay, if you say so.

I'm not going to actually add anything to that, seeing your signature it would be highly unproductive in trying to convince you otherwise.

We'll agree to disagree and call it a day.

Modifié par Sakanade, 19 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[wsandista]

Sakanade wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

21121313 wrote...

Yeah, yeah. I know, i'm a Bioware loyalist ... but the way i see it is they have earned it. Then again i don't have expectations that reach godlike levels, either.

Oh you aren't kidding, I just wish they would've finished the expansion and produced more 

www.youtube.com/watch


The DLC for Origins were welcome additions to the story.
the DAII DLC isn't really worth the money.
Legacy is kinda okay and all, but still not worth that kind of money.

[Emzamination]

Sakanade wrote...

Emzamination wrote...


I disagree, legacy opened up some rich potential for pro-mage characters regarding a certain pendant.

Uhh.. okay, if you say so.

I'm not going to actually add anything to that, seeing your signature it would be highly unproductive in trying to convince you otherwise.

We'll agree to disagree and call it a day.

 unproductive? lol mkay bender

[Aulis Vaara]

Emzamination wrote...

I disagree, legacy opened up some rich potential for pro-mage characters regarding a certain pendant.

Wow, rich story potential regarding a single pendant!? That MUST be worth the money!

Realmzmaster wrote...

And gamers are free to do so. The DLC is optional. If you want it pay the price. Otherwise pass. Bioware does not have to lower the price.

People don't have to be nice to each other, yet doing so is much preferable to not.

To stay closer to home base, CD projekt didn't have to release all their massive updates for free either, or remove DRM from their games, yet I'm buying the Witcher 2 as soon as possible, yet I won't be buying DA2, because it's definitely not worth the price I'd have to pay with all the DLC.

Emzamination wrote...

What do you mean? It makes perfect business sense, the game was 60 dollars retail when it was released.The game has since hit the 20 dollar mark so to recoup monetary losses whether intentional or not all dlc is priced at 40 dollars together bringing the complete game back to 60 dollars, the price of release.I'm sure bioware loves its fan base but it is a company first and foremost and needs to make a profit off everything it puts into production.I find it amusing that those who waited for the game to hit 20 dollars still have to end up playing full price for the complete thing.It is not profitable or wise to sit on your hands waiting for deals and discounts.

No. Selling makes perfect business sense. You can have a large price as much as you want, but if people aren't buying it any more, that's completely useless to you. What you want to do as a business is finding a balance between price and sales, and usually that means lowering the price when sales have dropped, because that way you'll get more profit (less profit per sale, but more sales).

Wulfram wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I paid full price for my Da2 signature edition on the day of release so it's very difficult for me to see pity in that argument.

No need for pity.

It's just a question of whether Bioware will get my money or not.  They won't, unless they offer their products at prices that represent value for money compared to other products on the market.

This.

Emzamination wrote...

Why? Everyone else had to pay full price for the dlc and you shall be no different.

If everybody jumped off a cliff, would you? Likewise, just because everybody paid full price, doesn't mean I'll actually get the DLC. Besides, I think people are idiots for buying DLC at these prices.

[TonberryFeye]

It is a general rule that items are worth less after release purely due to most items, up until relatively recently, were hardware.

Consider: let's say I made a car sixty years ago that was worth £30,000 (or the equivalent at the time). If I make that exact same car today, to the exact same specifications and with the exact same parts, is it still worth £30,000? No it is not! Technology has moved on, and you can now buy a vastly superior vehicle for a fraction of the price!

Software bucks this trend somewhat. CD quality has remained pretty constant, for example, so in theory a CD worth £10 years ago is still worth £10 now. It is still not that simple, however, because software is still tied to hardware. Is a PSX game worth the same now as it was on release? Doubtful. Technology has moved on, and now if we took that game's budget and gave it to an equivalent studio, they could produce a better product in a shorter time.

This, combined with expectations of the customer, is why prices drop. I do not expect to see DVDs of ten year old fims being sold for the price of a new release. I do not expect games released two or three years ago to sell for the price of a new release. Nor, in fact, do I believe DLC or digitally-distributed material should remain the same price.

As a case in point, I have a PSN+ account. This is the only reason I now own Darksiders and Infamous 2 - because they were free to download if you have a PSN+ account. For me. even £9.99 was too high a price to convince me to buy Darksiders.

This is a hurdle that DLC distributers must cross. For £9.99 I could have bought a FULL GAME and I wasn't willing to make the investment. When I go looking at DLC, I know it's going to be limited in scope, and the only thing going for it is that if I liked the main game, I will (in theory) be more inclined to spend.

But let's be fair here... what would I be willing to spend on Dragon Age DLC? I bought everything Origins has to offer, so I guess I was willing to spend what they charge now. I am not 100% satisfied with all those purchases, so perhaps some should come down a little, but the point is they got the sale.

For DA2, I'd say my limit is £5 for the lot. More than that an I won't bite; the main game has done a fine job of convincing me anything more is a waste of money.

[Rxdiaz]

There is no point in BioWare cutting the price of DA2 DLC, hardly anyone is going to buy it one way or the other....

[TonberryFeye]

Rxdiaz wrote...

There is no point in BioWare cutting the price of DA2 DLC, hardly anyone is going to buy it one way or the other....

This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of trade.

Would you download the DLC at the price it costs (assuming you had the money to do so)? If the answer is no, would you download it if it was free? If the answer is yes, then the issue is not that you don't want it - it is that you don't want it for the price they are asking.

THIS is why businesses need to drop prices. People who want a product will get it early on. Other people will hold back until the price drops to 'what they think it's worth' and pick it up then.

If you never drop prices, you never get that market. Admittedly, you can't drop so far you lose money on the sale, so there will always be some people who you cannot reach, but it's better to get 3,000 sales where you earn £1 per transaction than 1,000 sales where you earn £2 per transaction.

[Rxdiaz]

As a rule of thumb you are 100% right.
my point is that there is hardly any interest in DA2 anymore, so I don't see the price making much of a difference.

But I guess if all the DLC was available for a total price of $5.00 even I might consider it...

Maybe....

[Aulis Vaara]

Rxdiaz wrote...

As a rule of thumb you are 100% right.
my point is that there is hardly any interest in DA2 anymore, so I don't see the price making much of a difference.

But I guess if all the DLC was available for a total price of $5.00 even I might consider it...

Maybe....

Any sale is still a sale. Even if it's only twenty people, at least you got money from those twenty people.

And if you completely drop the price of the DLC, you might actually create some goodwill toward your company for future products. It's not money lost if you do this at the point that no-one would buy the DLC anymore anyway.

In my case, it's also preventing me from actually buying their main game, since I'm not willing to spend two, three times as much money to actually get the full game. This also means I'll never be buying DA3, no matter how good it is, because I would never be able to import my Warden.

That's pretty bad business, if you ask me. But hey, I have a stake in this, so I'm not exactly unbiased (but at least I'm not part of the company that ruined their last three titles).

[Emzamination]

Aulis Vaara wrote...

Wow, rich story potential regarding a single pendant!? That MUST be worth the money!

Indeed, it happens to have to do with...wait, it's not my place to spoil it for you.I'm sure you'll see it for yourself...eventually.

No. Selling makes perfect business sense. You can have a large price as much as you want, but if people aren't buying it any more, that's completely useless to you. What you want to do as a business is finding a balance between price and sales, and usually that means lowering the price when sales have dropped, because that way you'll get more profit (less profit per sale, but more sales).

That's what we call a gamble, there is a 50% chance sales go up for bioware and a 100% guarantee dlc comes into your price range, surprising who comes out the winner there.Da2 is a fantastic game and Imho they should raise the price of legacy and MotA another 5-10 dollars, it's well worth it and more.

If everybody jumped off a cliff, would you? Likewise, just because everybody paid full price, doesn't mean I'll actually get the DLC. Besides, I think people are idiots for buying DLC at these prices.

I find it hilarious you find having to pay 40 bucks akin to jumping off a cliff.Why must they be idiots? because they possess meaningless dlc for a cheap bargain bin game you happen to slightly desire? Tsk tsk tsk you must rise above this jealousy and malcontent for your fellow man my dear.

Suddenly I want to do nothing more than play through Da2 again and laugh tis odd, no?