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[tholloway93]

the other ME2 characters actually contributed - thane saved the councilor even being terminally ill, mordin cured the genophage, legion basically changed the geth for the better and reunited the geth and quarians, yeah miranda had a tracker on kai leng but that doesnt seem big enough compared to the rest

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

[Babi_Siha]

OP, you're not alone. Miranda's character feels completely off. I agree that she would never set foot on the Nomandy full of Alliance soldiers, but she should've been made a temporary squad on Cronos Station, she would fit that role a lot better than EDI. Miranda was a big Cerberus player in the past and the fact that she never even acknowledges how badly screwed the organization has become it's worrying and it just felt wrong.

Hopefully - though not likely - the EC will show her on Earth being useful, commanding a squad against reaper forces.

About Kaidan, I don't see Miranda going for him either, he'd probably be too much of a whiner for her taste. And I'm sure his blind loyalty to the Alliance wouldn't go to well with her either. Not to mention can any of you imagine Kaidan falling for a Cerberus former operative after the treatment he gave a romanced FemShep on Horizon? Them falling in love is a highly unlikely scenario on both parts.

[Shaleist]

Miranda should have been in 'the crew'. I'm saying that although she's hands down my least favorite Mass Effect character. Cerberus are as big a threat to the galaxy as the Reapers, and she's the perfect conduit between Shep and Cerberus. Her role in ME3 is illogical. At least most of the ME2 cast that was snubbed had some sort of *usually trivial* explanation for why they were busy elsewhere.

[Stalker]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

Of course she could be with someone else than the "legendary Shepard" (I should have never brought that phrase up), but Kaidan is more like the last choice for Miranda to fall in love with. 

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

It isn't silly because it's not Shepard.

It's silly because it's Kaidan. Out of the squadmates, I can't really think of anyone else besides Shepard who really fits her bill. They're all either too idealistic or completely conflict with her views. Shepard is the only main character malleable enough to sort of "mold" with her POV.

[BadExamp1e]

Mr Massakka wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

Of course she could be with someone else than the "legendary Shepard" (I should have never brought that phrase up), but Kaidan is more like the last choice for Miranda to fall in love with. 

No, he's not. I'm not usually a person who ships random pairing. In fact, I hate most. But Miranda and Kaidan is something I can see happening, if they were working together on the same team.

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

It isn't silly because it's not Shepard.

It's silly because it's Kaidan. Out of the squadmates, I can't really think of anyone else besides Shepard who really fits her bill. They're all either too idealistic or completely conflict with her views. Shepard is the only main character malleable enough to sort of "mold" with her POV.

Yeah.... Basically same thing.

Shepard's can be the most  idealistic of the lot. Conflicting with her views? That didn't seem to be much of a problem either.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 18 juin 2012 - 11:22 .

[Stalker]

Doesn't seem like anyone could convince you otherwise. I accept that then.
Seems like everyone really have their own interpretation of her character...

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 18 juin 2012 - 11:25 .

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

It isn't silly because it's not Shepard.

It's silly because it's Kaidan. Out of the squadmates, I can't really think of anyone else besides Shepard who really fits her bill. They're all either too idealistic or completely conflict with her views. Shepard is the only main character malleable enough to sort of "mold" with her POV.

Yeah.... Basically same thing.

Shepard's can be the most  idealistic of the lot. Conflicting with her views? That didn't seem to be much of a problem either.

Way to focus on 1 sentence out of my entire post. You'll notice I also put "out of the squadmates..." and "main character".

Never mind the "Shepard is malleable" bit. Cause, y'know, Kaidan isn't fanatically loyal to the Alliance or anything.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juin 2012 - 11:27 .

[Babi_Siha]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

Of course she could be with someone else than the "legendary Shepard" (I should have never brought that phrase up), but Kaidan is more like the last choice for Miranda to fall in love with. 

No, he's not. I'm not usually a person who ships random pairing. In fact, I hate most. But Miranda and Kaidan is something I can see happening, if they were working together on the same team.

Hum... no. Neither would trust each other, Kaidan wouldn't shut up about her Cerberus past and Miranda would find his blindness about the Alliance stupid. Also, I can't see Miranda falling for an over sensitive, whining type of guy like him, honestly Jacob is a better fit for her than Kaidan.

[o Ventus]

Babi_Siha wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Mr Massakka wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Kaidan "Ow I get headaches" Alenko is a godawful match for Miranda.

Please, don't ever bring up such a silly notion again.

It's not silly because someone other than the legendary Shepard can be with Miranda. If they were on the same team... it fits.
 
I'm sure Miranda could be able to help Kaidan out with those headaches, too.

Of course she could be with someone else than the "legendary Shepard" (I should have never brought that phrase up), but Kaidan is more like the last choice for Miranda to fall in love with. 

No, he's not. I'm not usually a person who ships random pairing. In fact, I hate most. But Miranda and Kaidan is something I can see happening, if they were working together on the same team.

Hum... no. Neither would trust each other, Kaidan wouldn't shut up about her Cerberus past and Miranda would find his blindness about the Alliance stupid. Also, I can't see Miranda falling for an over sensitive, whining type of guy like him, honestly Jacob is a better fit for her than Kaidan.

And even Jacob failed.

Probably because he's always wanted kids (going by his dialogue with Shepard about Brynn) and Miranda is infertile.

[Babi_Siha]

o Ventus wrote...

And even Jacob failed.

Probably because he's always wanted kids (going by his dialogue with Shepard about Brynn) and Miranda is infertile.

I don't think Mirand ever had that conversation with him. I think they were two attractive people who worked together and decided to do a good use out of their free time, but I don't think it was ever that serious. However, even though Jacob was an Alliance soldier he recognized the mistakes the Alliance made, didn't like the bureocracy that came with the job and that is the kind of view that would match Miranda's.

[BadExamp1e]

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

[o Ventus]

Babi_Siha wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

And even Jacob failed.

Probably because he's always wanted kids (going by his dialogue with Shepard about Brynn) and Miranda is infertile.

I don't think Mirand ever had that conversation with him. I think they were two attractive people who worked together and decided to do a good use out of their free time, but I don't think it was ever that serious. However, even though Jacob was an Alliance soldier he recognized the mistakes the Alliance made, didn't like the bureocracy that came with the job and that is the kind of view that would match Miranda's.

Yeah.

Still though, it could have been brought up (technically, anything could have been brought up between them to cause a schism between the two).

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Except there aren't "many people". There's you, and 1 other person whom I'm not sure was even being serious, going by the tone of the initial post. There are at least 3 opponents.

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Except there aren't "many people". There's you, and 1 other person whom I'm not sure was even being serious, going by the tone of the initial post. There are at least 3 opponents.

Somebody said they had heard it brought up before, so have I. Many times.

Yeah, that's because I'm talking to (I'm assuming) three hardcore Miranda-mancers who can't see her with anybody else but the legendary Shepard, who apparently isn't idealistic or conflicts with her views.

[Babi_Siha]

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Well, for everything bad about Jacob, you can at least say he's not an Alliance lapdog and for Miranda that would probably count more than everything (which granted, isn't much) Kaidan has to offer.

Yeah, that's because I'm talking to (I'm assuming) three hardcore Miranda-mancers who can't see her with anybody else but the legendary Shepard, who apparently isn't idealistic or conflicts with her views.

Actually, I can't see Miranda with a full paragon Shepard as well. In my head, she would only start being attracted to him after he showed some renegade tendencies, otherwise she'd think he was nothing more than an Alliance boy scout and that would bore her.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 18 juin 2012 - 11:45 .

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Except there aren't "many people". There's you, and 1 other person whom I'm not sure was even being serious, going by the tone of the initial post. There are at least 3 opponents.

Somebody said they had heard it brought up before, so have I. Many times.

Yeah, that's because I'm talking to (I'm assuming) three hardcore Miranda-mancers who can't see her with anybody else but the legendary Shepard, who apparently isn't idealistic or conflicts with her views.

It's ideas like these that turn me away from reading fanfiction. If it isn't self-inserts or amateurish writing technique, it's pairing 2 starkly different characters and expecting something meaningful to come out of it, inevitably character assassinating 1 if not both of them.

What part of "Shepard is malleable" don't you get? If you don't play him as pro-Alliance, anti-Cerberus, there isn't a problem. Kaidan isn't malleable at all. He still has his headaches, he's still fanatically loyal to the Alliance, and he's still incredibly dull. He's a marginally less impressive Jacob.

Modifié par o Ventus, 18 juin 2012 - 11:44 .

[Stalker]

It's not about being a hardcore mancer.
Kaidan/Miranda supporters are the clear minority. It's just that someone (a single person or 2) support it at some point and that leads to pages of discussion trying to disprove them.
That's also why people remember that point.

[BadExamp1e]

Babi_Siha wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Well, for everything bad about Jacob, you can at least say he's not an Alliance lapdog and for Miranda that would probably count more than everything (which granted, isn't much) Kaidan has to offer.

One of my Shepard's was an 'Alliance lapdog'  and... it didn't really matter.

Things like this can be overcome if they're on the same team. Easily. Miranda's helping the Alliance by the end anyway.

[dtrain24]

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

Modifié par dtrain24, 18 juin 2012 - 11:47 .

[Babi_Siha]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

It's not impossible. The things you mentioned are easy to overcome, if they were on the same team.

At the end of the day, there's a reason why so many people say that Kaidan and Miranda would happen. I'm not a shipper, but those two I can see happening. If Jacob gets a shot, Kaidan definitely could.

Well, for everything bad about Jacob, you can at least say he's not an Alliance lapdog and for Miranda that would probably count more than everything (which granted, isn't much) Kaidan has to offer.

One of my Shepard's was an 'Alliance lapdog'  and... it didn't really matter.

Things like this can be overcome if they're on the same team. Easily. Miranda's helping the Alliance by the end anyway.

I edited my post above and mentioned that Miranda wouldn't go for Shepard if he was a fully paragon, Alliance extremist. That was a big flaw in the game, like how a renegade Shepard can romance Liara, Tali and Kaidan and how a full paragon Shepard can romance someone like Miranda.

[BadExamp1e]

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

There's the problem. Seems to me that's what you're all thinking.

They don't have all that different personalities, and don't worry Kaidan will treat her like good, maybe bring out the wine, or classical music hmm?

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 18 juin 2012 - 11:51 .

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

There's the problem. Seems to me that's what you're all thinking.

They don't have all that different personalities, and don't worry Kaidan will treat her like good, maybe bring out the wine, or classical music hmm?

We're thinking it because it's true. Who helped Miranda rescue her sister (twice)? Who helped her defeat her father? Who went with her through the O-4 relay? Hint: He doesn't get headaches.

Are you really implying that someone like Shepard wouldn't treat Miranda right?