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[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

There's the problem. Seems to me that's what you're all thinking.

They don't have all that different personalities, and don't worry Kaidan will treat her like good, maybe bring out the wine, or classical music hmm?

We're thinking it because it's true. Who helped Miranda rescue her sister (twice)? Who helped her defeat her father? Who went with her through the O-4 relay? Hint: He doesn't get headaches.

Are you really implying that someone like Shepard wouldn't treat Miranda right?

Depends on the player.

Kaidan would though. Have no doubt.

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

There's the problem. Seems to me that's what you're all thinking.

They don't have all that different personalities, and don't worry Kaidan will treat her like good, maybe bring out the wine, or classical music hmm?

We're thinking it because it's true. Who helped Miranda rescue her sister (twice)? Who helped her defeat her father? Who went with her through the O-4 relay? Hint: He doesn't get headaches.

Are you really implying that someone like Shepard wouldn't treat Miranda right?

Depends on the player.

Kaidan would though. Have no doubt.

Shocker, just like Shepard not being an Alliance lapdog.

Way to not answer my question.

[BadExamp1e]

Shepard is an 'Alliance lapdog' in ME3.

What? Kaidan wouldn't treat Miranda bad either.

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Shepard is an 'Alliance lapdog' in ME3.

What? Kaidan wouldn't treat Miranda bad either.

Which isn't his fault. Never mind the prerelease promise that one would be able to roleplay an anti-Alliance Shepard, but that was scrapped. Nonexistent point.

Take a second look back at my earlier post. No one said anything about Kaidan except you. I asked if you were implying Shepard wouldn't treat her right.

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Shepard is an 'Alliance lapdog' in ME3.

What? Kaidan wouldn't treat Miranda bad either.

Which isn't his fault. Never mind the prerelease promise that one would be able to roleplay an anti-Alliance Shepard, but that was scrapped. Nonexistent point.

Take a second look back at my earlier post. No one said anything about Kaidan except you. I asked if you were implying Shepard wouldn't treat her right.

And I said, "depends on the player." Which is true. However, Kaidan wouldn't treat her bad, that's a fact.

Please, your whole post was basically a short version of Miranda's romance and build up. Who's to say, if Kaidan and Miranda were working together on the same ship, that they wouldn't be more? I can see it happening IF that whole build up you mentioned there, like 'going through the relay and saving her sister' means nothing more to Shepard than helping one of his crew and going through with the mission. Shepard could be off with someone else instead. Miranda's a free bird, and it could happen. It's likely Kaidan's more appealing than most other men she's shown interest in. They match.

Miranda might be isolated from the Alliance crew, Kaidan being the caring man that he is, goes to check up on her with a bottle of wine or something. Perhap Kaidan wants to know about TIM & Cerberus, I'm sure Miranda would be willing to share some information since she's certainly not loyal to them any longer. They'd be civil, and they might disagree on certain things, like Shepard and Miranda did. It's not hard to believe ***IF*** they were working together on the same team.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 19 juin 2012 - 12:23 .

[MisterJB]

Quite. Miranda's "role" in ME3 was a tremendous dissapointment.

[CrimsonN7]

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Agreed, when I heard that Cerberus would be a main enemy of yours in ME3 I assumed Miranda would be your inside connection to classified Cerberus intel, you would get helpful tips through email now and again or something or meet at a secret location on the Citadel but nothing just the tired recycled save my sister arch again-_- Miranda was one of my fav characters in ME2 and I would have liked her to be a semi-permanent squaddie in ME3 at some point in the game just like Liara was in LOTSB. As Cerberus were so crucial in ME3 an important ex-Cerberus operative like Miranda should have been given a more vital role in Shepard's quest to thwart them once and for all.

[almondroy]

I think that Miranda should have been "found" where Jacob was found in the game, at that Cerberus lab. It would have been a much more interesting story than the ME2 Loyalty Mission Redux that we got.

I would have even been satisfied with Miranda being an indoctrinated big bad replacing the Cereal Killer Ninja (satisfied mostly because we wouldn't have that annoyance named Kai Leng, but also because it would have been a tragic ending to have her controlled and loyal to the now-insane TIM after all the revelations about the control chip she wanted to put into Shepard)

[Shaleist]

almondroy wrote...



I would have even been satisfied with Miranda being an indoctrinated big bad replacing the Cereal Killer Ninja

Agreed 100%.  Miranda or Jacob should have been the Reaper'ed out main enemy of 3. The whole time I was playing through I kept asking myself one of the following questions over and over again, depending on the point in the game I was at.
'Who the heck is Kel Leianygn, err Khai Lyng... Khai Leng??'  
"How is Keith David from London?"
  "Where's my real crew? ah well I guess I"ll just grab Garrus and Liara unless they MAKE me pick another one these losers."
  "Why in God' s name is EDI in a Real Doll robot?"
  "What?!"  

[dtrain24]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

dtrain24 wrote...

The fact that Miranda isn't a squadmember is frustrating enough. Bioware didn't lack for her time, but they did lack for her quality however.
Bioware botched her character and basically neglected her. They wrote a whole new character for Miranda.
The lack of a Cerberus arc was pretty bad, Miranda needed that.

Also, I like Kaidan, but a Kaidan and Miranda ship wouldn't work at all. Two very different personalities, and Kaidan isn't the man Miranda deserves. She's much better off with Shepard.

There's the problem. Seems to me that's what you're all thinking.

They don't have all that different personalities, and don't worry Kaidan will treat her like good, maybe bring out the wine, or classical music hmm?

We're thinking it because it's true. Who helped Miranda rescue her sister (twice)? Who helped her defeat her father? Who went with her through the O-4 relay? Hint: He doesn't get headaches.

Are you really implying that someone like Shepard wouldn't treat Miranda right?

Depends on the player.

Kaidan would though. Have no doubt.

I don't doubt Shepard would either.
As o Ventus stated, Shepard did all those things for Miranda.  Not like he would turn abusive on her afterwards. In ME3, even the most renegade of Shepards get auto-dialogue on Sanctuary that shows he cares deeply about a romanced Miranda.  He promises to come back to her at the end. Yeah, I think he'd treat her pretty well.

Kaidan might be too nice or boring for Miranda's taste. Miranda wants a man of action that still cares about her. I won't pull the headache trump card, but that isn't the only reason Kaidan isn't for Miranda. He seems a bit too docile for her taste.

[Ageless Face]

Agree OP. All of Miranda's coversations are really empty. The relationship is basically Miranda talking about her sister, you giving her info, and Miranda talking about control chip (which, even if you ignore the fact she already talked about it, the whole conversation seemed to me out of character). Hell, when Shepard asks Miranda at the docks what she's being up to since they last saw each other, all she says is "I've been in hiding".

....Even Jacob got more.

I really don't understand why we didn't get her as a squadmate. She wants to find her sister? I've got a shadow broker on my ship! It's not like I haven't helped Miranda save her sister once. See no problem with doing it again. "It's my battle" is a cool way to say "I can't join you for your mission from no reason at all, and you can't help me from no reason at all".



BTW, just wanted to add, I don't see such a huge problem with Miranda and Kaidan together. Maybe they won't be together as fast as Miranda and Shepard, but I can see it happening.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 19 juin 2012 - 04:20 .

[RamilVenoard]

Gotta say, definitely can't see Miri and Kaiden together, but maybe that has something to do with my status as a Mirimancer. In ME2 I found her romance to be the most fitting for my Shep (Paragon Hero, sole survivor, spacer) probably because they both had death wishes. My Shep went into this "saving the galaxy" ordeal knowing and kind of hoping he was going to go out with a bang at the end.

Miri's got one of those too, she seems as if she has no problem taking a bullet in ME2. So my Shep fell for her and had to win her over which was rather easy, I might add.

ME3 Miri tho, was sincerely lacking. Throughout the entirety of the romance, never once did she or Shep actually say something like "I love you." Strange, I know, but people in love often like to remind eachother of it. She should have been a squadmate, or at very least, Shep should have picked her up on the Citidel before assaulting TIM's base. Woulda been nice for him to be able to say goodbye in person.

[scotty1234]

[Assuming no one already said it. I don't feel like reading everyone elses post.] She actually does lead a resistance squad against Cerberus. If you read Liara's terminal it explains that Alliance can't officially support her actions, but is pleased about them.

[MisterJB]

scotty1234 wrote...

[Assuming no one already said it. I don't feel like reading everyone elses post.] She actually does lead a resistance squad against Cerberus. If you read Liara's terminal it explains that Alliance can't officially support her actions, but is pleased about them.

That was, clearly, a last minute attempt at making amends after seeing our reaction to the leaked script.
Too little, too late.

[scotty1234]

MisterJB wrote...

scotty1234 wrote...

[Assuming no one already said it. I don't feel like reading everyone elses post.] She actually does lead a resistance squad against Cerberus. If you read Liara's terminal it explains that Alliance can't officially support her actions, but is pleased about them.

That was, clearly, a last minute attempt at making amends after seeing our reaction to the leaked script.
Too little, too late.

Like I said, I didn't read the other posts, I didn't even skim them. I just read the OP's post. I knew I chanced looking stupid, and what do you know? I did. lmao

[Lawrence0294]

Completely agree OP. It felt so logical for her to be involved with Cerberus, to come to Cronos station. I just don't understand how they didn't think of that. It's like omitting Tali from the Geth/Qarrian conflict. Instead we just get a rehash of her loyalty mission. I just don't understand. I really hope they can fix this with a DLC focused on developing Cerberus and including Miranda like she should have been. It might also make Cerberus not look like bad guys taken from a low budget B movie.
We do read this email at the end however we need to see things, not just read or hear about. That's another issue with Sanctuary, it was all telling and no showing.

[scotty1234]

kratos0294 wrote...

Completely agree OP. It felt so logical for her to be involved with Cerberus, to come to Cronos station. I just don't understand how they didn't think of that. It's like omitting Tali from the Geth/Qarrian conflict. Instead we just get a rehash of her loyalty mission. I just don't understand. I really hope they can fix this with a DLC focused on developing Cerberus and including Miranda like she should have been. It might also make Cerberus not look like bad guys taken from a low budget B movie.
We do read this email at the end however we need to see things, not just read or hear about. That's another issue with Sanctuary, it was all telling and no showing.

This. I do agree Miranda was rather one dimensional in 3, but then again.... So was all of Mass Effect 2's characters that didn't make the party cut. Miranda plays way too big of a part in Cerberus to only get one one little cameo.

[hot_heart]

It's heartening to see that even people who are not die-hard Miranda fans were a little disappointed/perplexed.

Granted, I think a lot of the ME2 squad were side-lined but Jacob, Jack and Miranda could've informed an interesting Cerberus arc.

[scotty1234]

Miranda is my second favorite female character, but my favorite romance. Something about breaking down her hard exterior is... refreshing.

Miranda deserved a bigger part in 3 and her character is way too great to just look like the damsel in distress.

[BadExamp1e]

RamilVenoard wrote...

Gotta say, definitely can't see Miri and Kaiden together, but maybe that has something to do with my status as a Mirimancer. In ME2 I found her romance to be the most fitting for my Shep (Paragon Hero, sole survivor, spacer) probably because they both had death wishes. My Shep went into this "saving the galaxy" ordeal knowing and kind of hoping he was going to go out with a bang at the end.

Miri's got one of those too, she seems as if she has no problem taking a bullet in ME2. So my Shep fell for her and had to win her over which was rather easy, I might add.

ME3 Miri tho, was sincerely lacking. Throughout the entirety of the romance, never once did she or Shep actually say something like "I love you." Strange, I know, but people in love often like to remind eachother of it. She should have been a squadmate, or at very least, Shep should have picked her up on the Citidel before assaulting TIM's base. Woulda been nice for him to be able to say goodbye in person.

Bolded.

No offence, but that's basically what it is. You go on to talk about Shepard in your next sentence, just like the other poster(s) did as well. Seems to me that those others -- they're so hung up on Shepard and Miranda with their 'perfect build up' and whatnot, but at least you sorta admit it.

Their opinion on Kaidan is different than mine. Then again, 'saving Miranda's sister and going through the relay' didn't have that big of an affect on my Shepard since he helped everyone of his crew out just the same. It was for the mission, and earning some loyalty from his crew, nothing more at the time. Just because Miranda's in a jumpsuit doesn't make her any different.

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Kaidan and Miranda go well together, IMO. Saying Kaidan's a 'douche' doesn't win the argument or prove a fact. That's just stupid now.

[Terrorize69]

Instead of Kaidan and Mir.. what about Jack and Mir? o__o

[BadExamp1e]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Instead of Kaidan and Mir.. what about Jack and Mir? o__o

Just no.

No Jack + Miranda. No Miranda + Ashley. No Miranda + Vega. No Miranda + EDI. No Miranda + Anderson ect.

I hate all the stupid coupling.

Kaidan and Miranda is one of the very few pairings I can see happening only **IF** they were on the same team.

[wright1978]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I hate all the stupid coupling.

Kaidan and Miranda is one of the very few pairings I can see happening only **IF** they were on the same team.

Sorry but i never see them being on the same team as Horizon shows unlike Shep Kaidan is not flexible to the needs of circumstance and Miranda would never work for the Alliance. So even before i get to all my other issues with the pairing it is clearly unworkable for this reason alone.

[BadExamp1e]

wright1978 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I hate all the stupid coupling.

Kaidan and Miranda is one of the very few pairings I can see happening only **IF** they were on the same team.

Sorry but i never see them being on the same team as Horizon shows unlike Shep Kaidan is not flexible to the needs of circumstance and Miranda would never work for the Alliance. So even before i get to all my other issues with the pairing it is clearly unworkable for this reason alone.

Never say never. Who said anything about working for the Alliance? Working for Shepard is a different matter altogether.

[Terrorize69]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Instead of Kaidan and Mir.. what about Jack and Mir? o__o

Just no.

No Jack + Miranda. No Miranda + Ashley. No Miranda + Vega. No Miranda + EDI. No Miranda + Anderson ect.

BadExamp1e wrote...

Never say never.