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[BadExamp1e]

You suck Terrorize lol

[wright1978]

BadExamp1e wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I hate all the stupid coupling.

Kaidan and Miranda is one of the very few pairings I can see happening only **IF** they were on the same team.

Sorry but i never see them being on the same team as Horizon shows unlike Shep Kaidan is not flexible to the needs of circumstance and Miranda would never work for the Alliance. So even before i get to all my other issues with the pairing it is clearly unworkable for this reason alone.

Never say never. Who said anything about working for the Alliance? Working for Shepard is a different matter altogether.

Kaidan won't work for Shep as evidenced by Horizon. He'll only work for Alliance and if Shep also works for alliance he will work with him/her. Miranda might work for Shep but her Cerberus past, antipathy towards the Alliance versus his rigid loyalty to the Alliance is an impossible barrier to any relationship before i even start on why i don't think they are a good match beyond that.

[BadExamp1e]

wright1978 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I hate all the stupid coupling.

Kaidan and Miranda is one of the very few pairings I can see happening only **IF** they were on the same team.

Sorry but i never see them being on the same team as Horizon shows unlike Shep Kaidan is not flexible to the needs of circumstance and Miranda would never work for the Alliance. So even before i get to all my other issues with the pairing it is clearly unworkable for this reason alone.

Never say never. Who said anything about working for the Alliance? Working for Shepard is a different matter altogether.

Kaidan won't work for Shep as evidenced by Horizon. He'll only work for Alliance and if Shep also works for alliance he will work with him/her. Miranda might work for Shep but her Cerberus past, antipathy towards the Alliance versus his rigid loyalty to the Alliance is an impossible barrier to any relationship before i even start on why i don't think they are a good match beyond that.

Horizon... is pretty much a WTF moment.

It more or less is because Shepard showed up two years later working for terrorists, and Shepard didn't inform him about it... *BAM* right in the feelings.

When you take the VS to Cronos you hear them say "I wish I'd been there." like they regret it -- which they do. They committed mutiny in ME1 -- the Alliance isn't everything. Its about doing the right thing. And believe it or not my Shepard was rigid like that…. Wasn't much of a problem. It wasn't a problem, period. He could basically straight up say, "I hate Cerberus and what they stand for. They're wrong." to Miranda's face and …still no problem. People disagree all the time, but it doesn't always stop a relationship or interest from forming. Hell, My Shepard and Ashley were always butting heads on topics, but it worked for other reasons.

There quickly comes a point in the game, where Miranda is accepting of what Shepard stands for, and unlike her, that doesn't *always* mean Cerberus. Mine's certainly doesn’t.

I believe Miranda was helping the Alliance out near the end of ME3, too? Honestly, that's why I'm saying if they were on the same team. It only works then. If Miranda had been on the ship since the beginning I could have saw her and Kaidan growing close, definitely. They would have disagreed on certain things like my Shepard and Miranda did, but they'd both be civil and calm about it, and it could work.

Most of the Alliance crew would probably steer clear of her, but not Kaidan. He'd be naturally curious. I'm sure Miranda would be curious about one of the first biotics, and the second human spectre no doubt. Or the first male one. Much more intriguing than Jacob. He's got a shot.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 19 juin 2012 - 02:22 .

[Lawrence0294]

Being a hardcore Mirimancer, i actually like the idea of Kaidan and Miranda as a couple in certain circumstances. Kaidan isn't a stubborn alliance fan boy. I believe he is smarter and more open minded than that. Horizon is a very confusing moment for the VS. When Shepard, who was dead for two years , shows up and works for Cerberus, which they hunted down before, things tend to get confusing. It would take a long time for the couple to take place but i think Kaidan is a kind of person that would look at Miranda behond her physically and actually try to know her.

[ghost9191]

she wants to make sure her sister is safe, you look out for loved ones. well i do don't know about anyone else . after that she starts to fight though. i am more annoyed she couldnt tell us where cerberus hq was

[wright1978]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Horizon... is pretty much a WTF moment.

It more or less is because Shepard showed up two years later working for terrorists, and Shepard didn't inform him about it... *BAM* right in the feelings.

When you take the VS to Cronos you hear them say "I wish I'd been there." like they regret it -- which they do. They committed mutiny in ME1 -- the Alliance isn't everything. Its about doing the right thing. And believe it or not my Shepard was rigid like that…. Wasn't much of a problem. It wasn't a problem, period. He could basically straight up say, "I hate Cerberus and what they stand for. They're wrong." to Miranda's face and …still no problem. People disagree all the time, but it doesn't always stop a relationship or interest from forming. Hell, My Shepard and Ashley were always butting heads on topics, but it worked for other reasons.

There quickly comes a point in the game, where Miranda is accepting of what Shepard stands for, and unlike her, that doesn't *always* mean Cerberus. Mine's certainly doesn’t.

I believe Miranda was helping the Alliance out near the end of ME3, too? Honestly, that's why I'm saying if they were on the same team. It only works then. If Miranda had been on the ship since the beginning I could have saw her and Kaidan growing close, definitely. They would have disagreed on certain things like my Shepard and Miranda did, but they'd both be civil and calm about it, and it could work.

Most of the Alliance crew would probably steer clear of her, but not Kaidan. He'd be naturally curious. I'm sure Miranda would be curious about one of the first biotics, and the second human spectre no doubt. Or the first male one. Much more intriguing than Jacob. He's got a shot.

Disagree Horizon is actually an in character moment. 2 characters who choose organisational loyalty over personal loyalty. They can say whatever they want in hindsight, when the chips were down they were rigid alliance loyalists. Shep no matter how alliance loyalist you portray him has a degree of flexibility as he/she works with Cerberus rather than running off to the Alliance in ME2. Miranda to me isn't likely to be attracted to anyone with zero flexibility to adapt to the needs of circumstance. That's before i even talk about how unsuited as characters i feel they are.

[Siansonea]

What I find "off" about Miranda is that if she's dead, Oriana does pretty much every mission-specific thing Miranda would do, in the same order, at the same times Miranda would have done them. And the only net effect of Miranda being dead in your playthrough is that in order to save Oriana, you have to wound her in her leg, rather than allowing Miranda to take out Henry Lawson. It's as though Miranda didn't matter at all, anything she could do Oriana could do just as well. Disappointing. And not the only instance of BioWare's superficial handling of the game variables. >

[Siansonea]

I didn't realize this thread had devolved into a discussion about Kaidan and Miranda as a romantic pair. I think it's feasible. They're both biotics, Miranda is only a year older than Kaidan, and they both have perfectionist tendencies. They have an ideological impasse, he is very Paragon and she is rather Renegade, but all relationships need spice. I think they would be a good pairing, much better than, say, Tali and Garrus or Joker and his sex robot. Seriously, what was up with that?

[wright1978]

Siansonea II wrote...

What I find "off" about Miranda is that if she's dead, Oriana does pretty much every mission-specific thing Miranda would do, in the same order, at the same times Miranda would have done them. And the only net effect of Miranda being dead in your playthrough is that in order to save Oriana, you have to wound her in her leg, rather than allowing Miranda to take out Henry Lawson. It's as though Miranda didn't matter at all, anything she could do Oriana could do just as well. Disappointing. And not the only instance of BioWare's superficial handling of the game variables. >

Well i find the whole Oriana re-hash deeply insulting. That they deliberately ignored all the potential she could have had as part of the Cerberus arc for this piece of dren gets me angry.

[almondroy]

I could see Kaiden/Tali and Garrus/Miranda pairings a lot more easily than Kaiden/Miranda and Garrus/Tali (the one actual canon pairing in this whole mess)

[Apathy1989]

almondroy wrote...

I could see Kaiden/Tali and Garrus/Miranda pairings a lot more easily than Kaiden/Miranda and Garrus/Tali (the one actual canon pairing in this whole mess)

Yeah I could see that.

[Siansonea]

almondroy wrote...

I could see Kaiden/Tali and Garrus/Miranda pairings a lot more easily than Kaiden/Miranda and Garrus/Tali (the one actual canon pairing in this whole mess)

So, you could see two humans hooking up with dextro aliens (whose secretions would be poisonous to each other) as more likely than two humans hooking up? Or two dextro aliens hooking up? Srsly? Methinks someone might be xenophilic himself...

[Trauma3x]

What do u mean? I was disappointed that she wasn't a member of the crew in me3 especially if she was ur LI. The concern over hers sister is a valid concern despite the war. She could have just as well joined the normandy and do Intel and logistic and gather info on her sister like she did on me2 and yeah it safer to be in ur sheps arm then running about ducking cerberus but lets say we forget all that stuff I said earlier, she should have atleast joined up after sanctuary for the illusuve man base and earth final battle.....I Hope bw releases a miri dlc to fix this as she is my shep li currently

[almondroy]

Siansonea II wrote...

almondroy wrote...

I could see Kaiden/Tali and Garrus/Miranda pairings a lot more easily than Kaiden/Miranda and Garrus/Tali (the one actual canon pairing in this whole mess)

So, you could see two humans hooking up with dextro aliens (whose secretions would be poisonous to each other) as more likely than two humans hooking up? Or two dextro aliens hooking up? Srsly? Methinks someone might be xenophilic himself...

From a personality standpoint, absolutely. Tali's interest in Shep is total hero-worship, and blander-than-toast Kaidan would fit her idealized image of Shepard far more easily than a Shep with any significant Renegade point buildup. Meanwhile, Garrus and Miranda both have those struggle-to-meet-Daddy's-expectations-even-though-they-say-the-expectations-don't-matter and going-outside-of-law-to-do-what-they-think-is-right things happening. I see Miranda respecting competence, and IMHO Garrus trumps Kaiden there.

Yeah, you do bring up the physical difficulties, but they have a Scientist Salarian to help them work all that out

[Ryzaki]

BadExamp1e wrote...

That's smart. Disrupt the whole crew for one person, but... okay. Doesn't matter, it's not like the option was available anyway.

And perfect for Kaidan? I agree.

Disrupt what whole crew? The only person who makes it a big deal about ex Cerberus is the VS and they're not necessary to be on the crew. Plus no one makes a fuss about EDI. Why would Miranda be different? 

[Ryzaki]

Siansonea II wrote...

I didn't realize this thread had devolved into a discussion about Kaidan and Miranda as a romantic pair. I think it's feasible. They're both biotics, Miranda is only a year older than Kaidan, and they both have perfectionist tendencies. They have an ideological impasse, he is very Paragon and she is rather Renegade, but all relationships need spice. I think they would be a good pairing, much better than, say, Tali and Garrus or Joker and his sex robot. Seriously, what was up with that?

Anything is a better pairing than Joker and the Sexbot. <_<

I don't see Kaidan and Miranda at all though. Kaidan's too paragon and he lacks Shep's charisma and past with Miranda. Miranda's too renegade for Kaidan and wouldn't open up to him the way she does Shepard.

I just don't see it working on either end.

[enayasoul]

Ryzaki wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

That's smart. Disrupt the whole crew for one person, but... okay. Doesn't matter, it's not like the option was available anyway.

And perfect for Kaidan? I agree.

Disrupt what whole crew? The only person who makes it a big deal about ex Cerberus is the VS and they're not necessary to be on the crew. Plus no one makes a fuss about EDI. Why would Miranda be different? 

If the VS has such a problem there is always the option to deny their request and ship them off to being with Hackett! 

[BadExamp1e]

Ryzaki wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

That's smart. Disrupt the whole crew for one person, but... okay. Doesn't matter, it's not like the option was available anyway.

And perfect for Kaidan? I agree.

Disrupt what whole crew? The only person who makes it a big deal about ex Cerberus is the VS and they're not necessary to be on the crew. Plus no one makes a fuss about EDI. Why would Miranda be different? 

The whole ship is Alliance. Not just the VS. Tali and garrus aren't fond of her either. It's not a Cerberus ship anymore.

[BadExamp1e]

wright1978 wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

Horizon... is pretty much a WTF moment.

It more or less is because Shepard showed up two years later working for terrorists, and Shepard didn't inform him about it... *BAM* right in the feelings.

When you take the VS to Cronos you hear them say "I wish I'd been there." like they regret it -- which they do. They committed mutiny in ME1 -- the Alliance isn't everything. Its about doing the right thing. And believe it or not my Shepard was rigid like that…. Wasn't much of a problem. It wasn't a problem, period. He could basically straight up say, "I hate Cerberus and what they stand for. They're wrong." to Miranda's face and …still no problem. People disagree all the time, but it doesn't always stop a relationship or interest from forming. Hell, My Shepard and Ashley were always butting heads on topics, but it worked for other reasons.

There quickly comes a point in the game, where Miranda is accepting of what Shepard stands for, and unlike her, that doesn't *always* mean Cerberus. Mine's certainly doesn’t.

I believe Miranda was helping the Alliance out near the end of ME3, too? Honestly, that's why I'm saying if they were on the same team. It only works then. If Miranda had been on the ship since the beginning I could have saw her and Kaidan growing close, definitely. They would have disagreed on certain things like my Shepard and Miranda did, but they'd both be civil and calm about it, and it could work.

Most of the Alliance crew would probably steer clear of her, but not Kaidan. He'd be naturally curious. I'm sure Miranda would be curious about one of the first biotics, and the second human spectre no doubt. Or the first male one. Much more intriguing than Jacob. He's got a shot.

Disagree Horizon is actually an in character moment. 2 characters who choose organisational loyalty over personal loyalty. They can say whatever they want in hindsight, when the chips were down they were rigid alliance loyalists. Shep no matter how alliance loyalist you portray him has a degree of flexibility as he/she works with Cerberus rather than running off to the Alliance in ME2. Miranda to me isn't likely to be attracted to anyone with zero flexibility to adapt to the needs of circumstance. That's before i even talk about how unsuited as characters i feel they are.

...Because they still believe Shepard is the same person on Mars, and all? It's got a lot more to do with it than simply loyalty to the Alliance. The VS doesn't believe Shepard is the same, that's why. And spending two years in a Cerberus lab? Understandable from their POV.

I say Kaidan has some flexiblity considering he ditched the Alliance in ME1.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 20 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

That's smart. Disrupt the whole crew for one person, but... okay. Doesn't matter, it's not like the option was available anyway.

And perfect for Kaidan? I agree.

Disrupt what whole crew? The only person who makes it a big deal about ex Cerberus is the VS and they're not necessary to be on the crew. Plus no one makes a fuss about EDI. Why would Miranda be different? 

The whole ship is Alliance. Not just the VS. Tali and garrus aren't fond of her either. It's not a Cerberus ship anymore.

Except Tali warms up to her and Garrus makes 1 reference to her in 2 whole games. Nobody else even remotely mentions her (Except Jack, but Jack is her foil).

What a stunning example

[BadExamp1e]

I know right? She was so popular with everyone. They loved her. She could keep anyone in line.

If you can see Miranda not being in command at all, nor having any special say, but following orders like every other lacky onboard. Also being thrown into the crews quaters with the Alliance grunts. Staying around with people who have said they don't like her, nor trust her. And being trapped in a position where the Alliance and council could have all eyes on her, good for you. But I can't. I can't see her reducing herself to that role.

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

I know right? She was so popular with everyone. They loved her. She could keep anyone in line.

If you can see Miranda not being in command at all, nor having any special say, but following orders like every other lacky onboard. Also being thrown into the crews quaters with the Alliance grunts. Staying around with people who have said they don't like her, nor trust her. And being trapped in a position where the Alliance and council could have all eyes on her, good for you. But I can't. I can't see her reducing herself to that role.

Where, in any part of my post, did you dig up this crap-heap?

If no one ever says anything to her or about her, how can you just automatically infer they don't like her?

I don't ever talk about a lot of my classmates in school. It doesn't mean I hate their guts and wish for them to die.

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I know right? She was so popular with everyone. They loved her. She could keep anyone in line.

If you can see Miranda not being in command at all, nor having any special say, but following orders like every other lacky onboard. Also being thrown into the crews quaters with the Alliance grunts. Staying around with people who have said they don't like her, nor trust her. And being trapped in a position where the Alliance and council could have all eyes on her, good for you. But I can't. I can't see her reducing herself to that role.

Where, in any part of my post, did you dig up this crap-heap?

If no one ever says anything to her or about her, how can you just automatically infer they don't like her?

I don't ever talk about a lot of my classmates in school. It doesn't mean I hate their guts and wish for them to die.

From what little she is mentioned, Garrus, Jack and Tali have all said, they dislike her and don't trust her. Basically if you aren't wearing Cerberus colours, and big fake happy face - they don't like her.

[o Ventus]

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I know right? She was so popular with everyone. They loved her. She could keep anyone in line.

If you can see Miranda not being in command at all, nor having any special say, but following orders like every other lacky onboard. Also being thrown into the crews quaters with the Alliance grunts. Staying around with people who have said they don't like her, nor trust her. And being trapped in a position where the Alliance and council could have all eyes on her, good for you. But I can't. I can't see her reducing herself to that role.

Where, in any part of my post, did you dig up this crap-heap?

If no one ever says anything to her or about her, how can you just automatically infer they don't like her?

I don't ever talk about a lot of my classmates in school. It doesn't mean I hate their guts and wish for them to die.

From what little she is mentioned, Garrus, Jack and Tali have all said, they dislike her and don't trust her. Basically if you aren't wearing Cerberus colours, and big fake happy face - they don't like her.

Or, y'know, they don't care. It would explain the lack of mention.

[BadExamp1e]

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

I know right? She was so popular with everyone. They loved her. She could keep anyone in line.

If you can see Miranda not being in command at all, nor having any special say, but following orders like every other lacky onboard. Also being thrown into the crews quaters with the Alliance grunts. Staying around with people who have said they don't like her, nor trust her. And being trapped in a position where the Alliance and council could have all eyes on her, good for you. But I can't. I can't see her reducing herself to that role.

Where, in any part of my post, did you dig up this crap-heap?

If no one ever says anything to her or about her, how can you just automatically infer they don't like her?

I don't ever talk about a lot of my classmates in school. It doesn't mean I hate their guts and wish for them to die.

From what little she is mentioned, Garrus, Jack and Tali have all said, they dislike her and don't trust her. Basically if you aren't wearing Cerberus colours, and big fake happy face - they don't like her.

Or, y'know, they don't care. It would explain the lack of mention.

From who? Those few -- That's more than enough people on the squad who aren't "pro-Cerberus" for me to believe that she's not popular with those who aren't on the TIM's paylist. They don't follow her, or give to craps about what she's saying really. Trust her judgement? No to that too.