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[en2ym3]

Unfortunately, such a thing is probably never going to happen. If Deus Ex made it so you could stay with Unactco...

I know this is off-topic, but I'm not really sure what would happen if I bothered making a thread over this.
Are the similarities intentional? Like, it's a bad homage to Deus Ex? Or is it just coincidental/a symptom of using sci-fi tropes?

On topic, the entire deal with Cerberus irritates me to no end - I feel like they were wasted in a lot of ways. In the second game (and then, I'm forced to "recognize" it again in the third), you -will- cooperate and be at least an itty-bit cooperate/positive (or, at least, not properly negative) even if you had a character from Akuze. And you can't even complain about this - instead you have to deal with -others- complaining, "What the Hell, Hero!?"

I had a similar idea that you somehow split away from (or, at least, have much more opportunity to massively undermine, and perhaps receive consequences for doing so) Cerberus in the second game. It was so out of character and obnoxious, for mine. And I agree, it'd be awesome if you could pick Cerberus' side more properly, and they had been kept in a better maintained gray area.

Also, it would have been better if TIM's dragon hadn't been Kai Leng, that was pretty unimpressive.

[Zardoc]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Cerberus shepard >> ME3 shepard

Bitchboy of Cerberus or bitchboy of the Alliance...yeah no, I'd rather go with the people who aren't terrorists.

Modifié par Zardoc, 19 juin 2012 - 07:58 .

[o Ventus]

DoomManiac wrote...

what i need right now is Miranda's ass

Go away.

[Roobz82]

Games USED to put in more than one ending. They USED to (on one disk, not full of unlockable files and dlc) have the option for diversity. EVEN in this trilogy. STOP making excuses for laziness and dollar-ethics! I can't quote because this site DOESN'T support ipad ios.

[Terrorize69]

CSI_Spectre wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Ok seriously, after playing a recent ME2 Renegade play through, seeing how "well" Shepard and TIM got on. What happened to all this in ME3? I mean, Allies and on good speaking terms in the end of ME2, handing over the base. 6 months later, mortal enemies?

Where was our option to rejoin Cerberus at some point to fight the Reapers? My Renegade Shepard would of loved to put humanity first in ME3 and do it Cerberus's way.

You know, we get to Cerb HQ, have a long chat with TIM, who explains his plan to us "ally", Shepard decides, "Yeah you know what, lets try it your way!" Turning our back on the Alliance, getting a different final mission and ending? 

Our option to rejoin Cerberus?  That would be a brilliant idea.  I would definitely be in favor of that.  I was one of those that actually perfered working with The Illusive Man.  But that would have made the game more diverse and showed your decisions actually mattered (if you chose to go that path).  Apparently, that's not what Bioware/EA was going for.  We should have had the option to join Cerberus atleast if you made certain choices in ME2. 

Was expecting Mass Effect 3 to be so diverse and epic.  I wanted an epic game; but all I got was a good game (not great; but good).

Yep totally agree.

In ME1: We work for the Alliance/Council
In ME2: We work for Cerberus (Against the chocie of some Shepards)

In ME3: We've now worked for both sides, seen both methods, views, stances on the Galaxy, at some point we should of had the option to decide who we prefer , where our loyalties lies.

[Terrorize69]

Jackiepoo wrote...

I've also brainstormed an idea. The implants in Shepard are reaper tech, which with TIM's theory of indoctriantion would help him control Shepard and break the alliance from within so he would have total control not only over the reapers (eventurally) but the dissolving of the alliance and one big ass army (Cerberus) so not a bad idea. You could do the following:-

- Go with TIM plan, control the reapers, destroy the alliance with the reapers (or yourself, whatever) and control the galaxy with the biggest human/reaper army.

-Fight against TIM and join back with the Alliance (but using the Reaper tech to your advantage...somehow)

-Join the reapers, or become indoctrinated to the point of being like Saron and turing against everything (this would make an awesome DLC...I mean, in game continuation)

These endings would of been awesome lol.

Inthe ending, Cerberus/TIM takecontrol of the Reapers, they then use their newfound power/fleet to secure humanity dominance, wiping out the Victory fleet and the council, Cerberus/Reapers spread out across the galaxy enslaving all races. TIM sits watching footage of other cultures being surpressed with a grin on his face while Shepard stands behind him at his side, watching on.

[dreman9999]

Firecell11 wrote...

TIM has Kai Leng. He doesn't need Shepard.

edit: I think two storylines where Shepard joins Cerberus or Alliance would make ME3 a better game

Not really. How the hell would they make anysense out of Shepard allowing reaper tech to be instill in him?

[Jonata]

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

Modifié par Jonata, 19 juin 2012 - 11:00 .

[Terrorize69]

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

[dreman9999]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

You would choose to be implanted with reaper tech?

[malakim2099]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Join us today, the finest human army in the Galaxy devoted to savong humanity!

Ok seriously, after playing a recent ME2 Renegade play through, seeing how "well" Shepard and TIM got on. What happened to all this in ME3? I mean, Allies and on good speaking terms in the end of ME2, handing over the base. 6 months later, mortal enemies?

Where was our option to rejoin Cerberus at some point to fight the Reapers? My Renegade Shepard would of loved to put humanity first in ME3 and do it Cerberus's way.

You know, we get to Cerb HQ, have a long chat with TIM, who explains his plan to us "ally", Shepard decides, "Yeah you know what, lets try it your way!" Turning our back on the Alliance, getting a different final mission and ending? 

TIM probably tried to feed you to a thresher maw, as old habits die hard.

[Terrorize69]

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

You would choose to be implanted with reaper tech?

Whatever the cost.

Besides, we are never told (if I remember right) That some of the tech used to bring Shepard back isn't Reaper Tech. EDI has Reaper tech and was "made" around the same time, you could assume some was used in Shepard and only TIM knows.

[MrMcDoll]

Bioware eliminated any sense of choice by moving to a more 'streamlined' storytelling method. Hence all the auto dialog etc.
The game was meant to play out a specific way.

Realistically, there should have been a choice not to even surrender the normandy to the alliance in the first-place.
No matter how many times i replay the beginning of the game I still can't figure out why shep is even on earth in the first place, and why he isn't hanging out with his ME2 team which is where i left him at the end of that game.

The 'streamlining' process did start with ME2 though, I remember playing as a fully paragon shep the first time through and wondering why shep would even agree to work with cerberus in the first place!

Railroading, streamlining, focussing, whatever the name, it is done so that Bioware could tell you their story, all the while making it seem as though you had some sort of effect on the outcome.
Like one of those pick-a-path books from back in the day, that ends the same way regardless of what choices you make.

[dreman9999]

Terrorize69 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

You would choose to be implanted with reaper tech?

Whatever the cost.

Besides, we are never told (if I remember right) That some of the tech used to bring Shepard back isn't Reaper Tech. EDI has Reaper tech and was "made" around the same time, you could assume some was used in Shepard and only TIM knows.

Whatever the cost? You willing to lose you indivisuality to join Cerberus? And don't bring EDI with Reaper tech into this, She is different because She a synthetic. Look at every cerberus solder as an examples. And No it was never Said the Shepard was revived with reaper tech or even has reaper tech in his body.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 juin 2012 - 11:46 .

[Terrorize69]

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

You would choose to be implanted with reaper tech?

Whatever the cost.

Besides, we are never told (if I remember right) That some of the tech used to bring Shepard back isn't Reaper Tech. EDI has Reaper tech and was "made" around the same time, you could assume some was used in Shepard and only TIM knows.

Whatever the cost? You willing to lose you indivisuality to join Cerberus? And don't bring EDI with Reaper tech, She is different because She a synthetic. Look at every cerberus solder as an example. And No it was never Said the Shepard was revived with reaper tech or even has reaper tech in his body.

Comes down to choice.

It's also never said that he wasn't revived using Reaper tech. How many people are brought back from the dead after 2 years? Pretty advance tech, maybe too advance.

Still, choice. Some Renegade Shepard would take up TIMs offer or side with Cerbeurs no matter what.

[Zeroth Angel]

arial wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arcian wrote...

So, let me get this correct: you want to work for a bunch of inept monkeys who couldn't feasibly screw a light bulb into the proper socket without killing 80+ of the bulb-screwing project's staff?














Excellent judgment you've got there, bud.

Hit the nail on the head. Yes I do, and hopefully having a similar experience to that.

Not all our choices have to be good ones.

I miss the days of KoToR... Turning on your team and rejoining the Dark Side with Bastila, perfect example of a choice that gives a very different ending.

there is a diffrence between a seperate choice and another game entirely. If they had made it so you could join Cerberus, it would change every mission, every quest. therefore it would take another game entirely. what do you want? Mass Effect 3: Cerberus edition?

Ever played the witcher 2?

[Carlthestrange]

It just hit me who Cerberus make me think of. Very similar characteristics to the Enclave of the Fallout Universe.

[Zeroth Angel]

Carlthestrange wrote...

It just hit me who Cerberus make me think of. Very similar characteristics to the Enclave of the Fallout Universe.

Cerberus in ME3 did feel a lot like F3's enclave.
Imo both the enclave in F3 and cerberus in ME3 were one dimensional enemies. What a shame.

[Terrorize69]

Carlthestrange wrote...

It just hit me who Cerberus make me think of. Very similar characteristics to the Enclave of the Fallout Universe.

[MrStoob]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

This one is going join a Hanar colony and live its days as an Enkindler Worshipper.

However this one does think there should have been different options; Join Cerberus, Join Alliance, Fcuk the others, this one is off to Narnia, etc.

Fixed that for ya 

[Humakt83]

Wimbini wrote...

Ever played the witcher 2?

And because Witcher 2 has made it, every game henceforth must make it?

[dreman9999]

Terrorize69 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Cerberus is intended to be some kind of "space N***s" organization, that is even more clear in the books where TIM's love for humanity is actually compared to his hate for aliens. The Lazarus Project and the journey against the Collectors were a separated mission with a lot of compromises because they were absolutely necessary, but if Kai Leng was in Shepard's place at the end of ME2, TIM would probably have ordered him to kill every 12 members of the crew at the end of the Suicide Mission.

Cerberus general position, as well as TIM's, is not Kelly's position. They don't "love dogs, but also like cats". They want to exterminate every other alien species in order to let humanity triumph and use terrible means (what they did on Sanctuary is worringly close to the horrors of WW2), to let Shepard join the Space N***s (and not only use them with a short alliance) looks wrong to me. A lot.

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

You would choose to be implanted with reaper tech?

Whatever the cost.

Besides, we are never told (if I remember right) That some of the tech used to bring Shepard back isn't Reaper Tech. EDI has Reaper tech and was "made" around the same time, you could assume some was used in Shepard and only TIM knows.

Whatever the cost? You willing to lose you indivisuality to join Cerberus? And don't bring EDI with Reaper tech, She is different because She a synthetic. Look at every cerberus solder as an example. And No it was never Said the Shepard was revived with reaper tech or even has reaper tech in his body.

Comes down to choice.

It's also never said that he wasn't revived using Reaper tech. How many people are brought back from the dead after 2 years? Pretty advance tech, maybe too advance.

Still, choice. Some Renegade Shepard would take up TIMs offer or side with Cerbeurs no matter what.

Your really want to choose to lose you indivisuality?
Sorry, it only true that reaper tech was used if it's said. Baseless assuption are not how we decide this. If it was Miranda would of told us of it by now.
Not how you cut it it make not sense, saying you want to choose to no longer be  able to choose contridicts the fact that you want to choose. Be with cerberus mean you choosen to be a slave.

[Terrorize69]

Shepard: I'll never join you!

TIM: If you only knew the power of the Reapers. Anderson never told you what happened to your father.

Shepard: He told me enough! He told me you killed him!

TIM: No. I am your father.

Shepard: No...no. That's not true. That's impossible!

TIM: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!

[Shepard cries in anguish]

Shepard: No! Nooooooooooo!

TIM: Shepard, you can destroy the Reapers. I have foreseen this. It is your destiny! Join me, and together, we can rule the galaxy as father and son! Come with me. It is the only way.

*Joins Cerberus*

Modifié par Terrorize69, 19 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[Jonata]

Terrorize69 wrote...

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

A game that let you chose to be a Space Adolf is like a game where you can commit rape. It is morally unacceptable. Everything the ME3 heartless renegade Shepard does, he does it to achieve survival at any cost, but he doesn't hate aliens and he doesn't enslave/kill innocent people. Killing Mordin and Wrex is despicable, but they are war casualties not innocent victims. 

Even the Control/Synthesis options, as well as killing the Geth to achieve Destruction of the Reapers, are in a morally grey area that never touches Ceberus' downright evil ways. 

Modifié par Jonata, 19 juin 2012 - 01:30 .

[Terrorize69]

Jonata wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

With some of the choices Shepard can make, espically a heartless Renegade, the choice would fit right in. And thats the point, choice.

A game that let you chose to be a Space Adolf is like a game where you can commit rape. It is morally unacceptable. Everything the ME3 heartless renegade Shepard does, he does it to achieve survival at any cost, but he doesn't hate aliens and he doesn't enslave/kill innocent people. Killing Mordin and Wrex is despicable, but they are war casualties not innocent victims. 

Even the Control/Synthesis options, as well as killing the Geth to achieve Destruction of the Reapers, are in a morally grey area that never touches Ceberus' downright evil ways. 

Ahem, Synthesis = Galaxywide rape.