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[ChaosAgentLoki]

Okay,

I saw this in a different topic recently and thought I'd make a topic specifically about the idea.

What if the ability to jump was added to DA games? Not any insane jumping like the flips and acrobatics introduced in DA2, but something normal like what was found in Xenogears. It would be a great way to make the locations more exciting and could add a new element to combat (and strategy) as well.

The additional features that could be included in exploration would also be exciting and intriguing if they added this. Treasures that require some smart navigation, doors to optional areas and other similar elements could be placed throughout the environments, encouraging more exploration. I mean, they've stated that they're looking to Skyrim for some elements and while I don't necessarily agree with that decision, this could be a great thing to take away from it.

Jumping!

What does the rest of the community think? Is adding the ability to jump a good idea or is it just too ridiculous?

[Androme]

ChaosAgentLoki wrote...

Not any insane jumping like the flips and acrobatics introduced in DA2 

this made me laugh so hard rofl

btw i agree

[Teddie Sage]

Eh... I think both Dragon Age Origins and DA2 did it right. I don't think that we need a jump option in this series...

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 19 juin 2012 - 01:46 .

[Fast Jimmy]

Honestly, a party based game that has a jump button is not only difficult sounding, but might be a little silly in practice.

Would your companions mimic your jump every time? Or would it be like Skyrim, where you companion never jumps like you do, and then has to do crazy map-back tracking just to catch up with your character? I see more problems and questions than benefits of being able to leap 20 inches into the air.

[Arthur Cousland]

Jumping in combat perhaps, but due to the story-driven nature of the franchise, I'm not sure they want the player jumping down levels of a dungeon, and thus skipping significant parts, which may have plot triggers.

I'm open for anything that could possibly improve the games. We'll have to wait and see...

[Nerdage]

Seems that would just highlight the level boundaries, make the invisible walls that much more obvious. Not being able to step over a three inch high pile of rocks is one thing, not being able to jump over it is another.


One thing I would like along similar lines depending on how tactical they're going for the next game is to be able to navigate some of these obstacles in a more scripted fashion than jumping over them, perhaps use them for tactical advantage in combat.

As an example; say there's a trellis underneath a balcony, you could have some characters (perhaps not all) able to climb up to collect loot / use the high-ground / sneak into the house / cut the rope suspending a piano hanging above a group of enemies, anyone who's played Desperados: Wanted Dead of Alive should get the idea.

Given that it's scripted it shouldn't do crazy things to path-finding like just jumping over obstacles can, or it should at least be more manageable, and it could help the player feel less confined to The One Floor.

[brushyourteeth]

The thing is, DA isn't really a classic exploration game. We don't travel vertically, unless it's up set steep path (like Sundermount). If we wanted vertical exploration, I think a better choice would be being able to climb (though I still don't think a feature like this is needed).

The thing about jumping in video games is it seems like a completely random feature to me. I know most of us aren't BA warriors or anything, but when was the last time you actually jumped in real life? Seriously, I bet most of us couldn't even remember. Jumping just isn't an essential or especially useful life skill.

[Nerdage]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I know most of us aren't BA warriors or anything, but when was the last time you actually jumped in real life? Seriously, I bet most of us couldn't even remember. Jumping just isn't an essential or especially useful life skill.

This morning. I was trying to put my trousers on but I was standing on the end bit...

New gameplay mode right there.

[brushyourteeth]

nerdage wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I know most of us aren't BA warriors or anything, but when was the last time you actually jumped in real life? Seriously, I bet most of us couldn't even remember. Jumping just isn't an essential or especially useful life skill.

This morning. I was trying to put my trousers on but I was standing on the end bit...

New gameplay mode right there.

Touché 

[Viperdev]

This morning I jumped to get a kitten out of a tree. True story =)

[Viperdev]

brushyourteeth wrote...

The thing is, DA isn't really a classic exploration game. We don't travel vertically, unless it's up set steep path (like Sundermount). If we wanted vertical exploration, I think a better choice would be being able to climb (though I still don't think a feature like this is needed).

The thing about jumping in video games is it seems like a completely random feature to me. I know most of us aren't BA warriors or anything, but when was the last time you actually jumped in real life? Seriously, I bet most of us couldn't even remember. Jumping just isn't an essential or especially useful life skill.

But yeah I agree they could put in climbing but it's not really needed.

Modifié par Viperdev, 19 juin 2012 - 06:17 .

[Jozape]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Honestly, a party based game that has a jump button is not only difficult sounding, but might be a little silly in practice.

Would your companions mimic your jump every time? Or would it be like Skyrim, where you companion never jumps like you do, and then has to do crazy map-back tracking just to catch up with your character? I see more problems and questions than benefits of being able to leap 20 inches into the air.

One solution would be to have jumping in specific places only, where the character will automatically jump over if you command them to go to the other side. You could greatly reduce the number of problematic situations that could happen versus binding a button to jump.

Not that I think it fits into Dragon Age. Dragon Age seems to me to be about magic and politics, not terrain traversal. It could be interesting in a more exploration/survival themed RPG though.

[ZtalkerRM]

It's a Nice idea, but I have a problem with it. Dragon Age is supposed to be gritty medieval fantasy. And warriors with 100+ kilo armor aren't particularry athletic and airborne

Gravity sucks

[Blacklash93]

Maybe something like Final Fantasy XIII, namely marked areas where you jump or drop down from if you push the character toward the edge of the cliff/ledge/gap/ect.

Without the over-the-top flips and super-human jumps, obviously.

[AkiKishi]

Don't really see what it will add,unless you are taking the combat into a more DD style. DD needs a level of involvement that DA does not. Jumping/active dodging is a big part of that.

Jumping outside of combat ala FFX-2/FFXIII-2 what will it really add ? In FFX-2 it was to find treasure and was also a part of certain mini games. In FFXIII-2 it allowed you to get into a better posistion for sneak attacks (which are important for those 5 star ratings).

It's more about what it adds rather than just being able to do it.

[Blacklash93]

I think the point behind it is to make the environments and traversal of them more interesting. RPGs have an awful habit off laying out convinient paths everywhere that require nothing more than regular walking/running even in crumbling ruins and lush forests.

ME3 took a step in the right direction with ladders, drop-points, and gaps you had to leap across.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[Pzykozis]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I think the point behind it is to make the environments and traversal of them more interesting. RPGs have an awful habit off laying out convinient paths everywhere that require nothing more than regular walking/running even in crumbling ruins and lush forests.

ME3 took a step in the right direction with ladders, drop-points, and gaps you had to leap across.

Yeah, this'd be why I'd want to see jumping added, allows level design to be abit more interesting than what is essentially a flat plane with abit of manipulation. Also since I am a fan of exploration I'd love to see there beinig challenge to said exploration requiring jumping or other navigational skills/abilities/mechanics to do such a thing would be a big plus.

[AkiKishi]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I think the point behind it is to make the environments and traversal of them more interesting. RPGs have an awful habit off laying out convinient paths everywhere that require nothing more than regular walking/running even in crumbling ruins and lush forests.

ME3 took a step in the right direction with ladders, drop-points, and gaps you had to leap across.

But those added very little and you had to give up stuff like being able to holster weapons and have poor animations because it. Really worth the trade off ?

[steven20011]

Varric: "Hawke never learned to walk but he could jump like no other."

[MichaelStuart]

I wouldn't mine if the party had to jump or climb to get over terrain, but I would prefer it is done like in the Zelda games, were you move up to a wall/gap, press a button and its done automatically.

[wsandista]

I don't see what exactly it will add, so no.

[nightscrawl]

nerdage wrote...

Seems that would just highlight the level boundaries, make the invisible walls that much more obvious. Not being able to step over a three inch high pile of rocks is one thing, not being able to jump over it is another.

This exactly.

If they are going to stick to their same type of environments and such, the limitations and boundaries of those environments would be highlighted by being able to jump. These environments just aren't very dynamic in general. A while ago there was a thread discussing dynamic changes when you cast mage fire AOE spells and such: burning objects in a room and so forth.

[DarkDragon777]

No.