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[Sajuro]

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings. People say that these games are basically **** now and that Bioware should go out of business. I still found both of those games to be a lot of fun even on multiple play throughs and much better than other games out there like Resonance of Fate, Bullet Storm, Oblivion etc. What I am saying is even if ME3 and DA2 are not up to Bioware's par, it certaintly doesn't mean Bioware is a failing company, it just means they are slightly better than most of the other games out there instead of being much better./opinion

[D24O]

Na, na, na na, wait til I get my money right.

[CrutchCricket]

Hmm, I actually agree with this. Maybe it's why I find people saying the EC is make or break for Bioware laughable.

Bioware still can and will ride new sales to moderate success. And don't forget who's behind them. EA has been making **** for years, with everyone fully aware that it's **** and yet they're still around. It's like they built a huge monument of **** and even though it smells bad it still stands as tall as any of the non-**** buildings that is other game developers. And Bioware has that **** monument to lean on. They'll be fine.

[Sajuro]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hmm, I actually agree with this. Maybe it's why I find people saying the EC is make or break for Bioware laughable.

Bioware still can and will ride new sales to moderate success. And don't forget who's behind them. EA has been making **** for years, with everyone fully aware that it's **** and yet they're still around. It's like they built a huge monument of **** and even though it smells bad it still stands as tall as any of the non-**** buildings that is other game developers. And Bioware has that **** monument to lean on. They'll be fine.

What games have been ****? I mean the Madden Games (waiting for them to start with Madden spring of 2013, Madden Fall of 2013, Madden Febuary 12th of 2014) and Sims seems to be their biggest money makers

[Allen Spellwaver]

So ME3 is a mediocre?DA2 is a mediocre but remember how much time did they have.
ME3 is only bad on ending and dialogue and totally overwhelming ME2 in other parts IMO.DA2 is linar but still have hours of content and tons of dialogues.Given less than year to make an AAA RPG,I guess no one can do better than BioWare.At least DA2's Metacritic is still 75+.

[CrutchCricket]

Sajuro wrote...
What games have been ****? I mean the Madden Games (waiting for them to start with Madden spring of 2013, Madden Fall of 2013, Madden Febuary 12th of 2014) and Sims seems to be their biggest money makers

As we quickly discover, in the EA-verse "****" and "making lots of money" are not mutually exclusive. Hmm. Come to think of it that can apply to the endings as well.

[Sajuro]

Allen Spellwaver wrote...

So ME3 is a mediocre?DA2 is a mediocre but remember how much time did they have.
ME3 is only bad on ending and dialogue and totally overwhelming ME2 in other parts IMO.DA2 is linar but still have hours of content and tons of dialogues.Given less than year to make an AAA RPG,I guess no one can do better than BioWare.At least DA2's Metacritic is still 75+.

At worst it is mediocre, I should have clarified I guess but I loved ME3 and DA2 despite their flaws, if the ending dragged it down as far as it could, that would make it a mediocre game but I don't think it did that.

[Atakuma]

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

[Mathias]

Atakuma wrote...

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

Heavily disagree with that.

[xsdob]

This is how I see the games as well.

[mumwaldee369]

I'm sure that a majority of the original Bioware staff no longer works there.  So it's just the name and a few employees from the old days.  EA will do what they have done with Westwood, Bullfrog, Pandemic, Maxis... wring every penny they can from the studio's good name and then throw it on the trash heap for the next flavor of the year.  If people will pay for crap then they'll get crap.

[Catamantaloedis]

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[txgoldrush]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

I'm sure that a majority of the original Bioware staff no longer works there.  So it's just the name and a few employees from the old days.  EA will do what they have done with Westwood, Bullfrog, Pandemic, Maxis... wring every penny they can from the studio's good name and then throw it on the trash heap for the next flavor of the year.  If people will pay for crap then they'll get crap.

WRONG

FACT: EA is EXPANDING Bioware, in fact Bioware took over some companies itself, like Mythic.

Also, it seems that EA is heavily reliant on Bioware now days.

[Fireblader70]

Well, for a year's development, I think DA2 ending up like it did was incredible. Considering the changed art style, overhauled combat, introduction of framed narrative, and then having to create a ton of quests to go along with that... even though I would never touch it again, except grinding through it to create an import for DA3 (if it turns out to be good), I recognise that the ambition was amazing.

And then there's ME3 - people have issues with the smallest changes. Pointless waste of anger, if you ask me.

So, while some people may see Bioware as becoming a mediocre company, I still see them as one of the best out there... although hampered by crappy PR, EA's ridiculous short-sighted goals and pasisonate fans that jump at every little change. The direction of Mass Effect may not be to all fans' tastes, but as a game in its own right, ME3 serves as fierce competition for the rest of the year's titles, in my opinion.

[CrutchCricket]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

I'm sure that a majority of the original Bioware staff no longer works there.  So it's just the name and a few employees from the old days.  EA will do what they have done with Westwood, Bullfrog, Pandemic, Maxis... wring every penny they can from the studio's good name and then throw it on the trash heap for the next flavor of the year.  If people will pay for crap then they'll get crap.

This and your clever sig are inspiring. Well no, it's depressing. But you know what I mean.

[Leafs43]

I can live with Bioware being considered a mediocre company.

It's better than being a mediocre company and having fanboys act like you're the greatest company ever *cough*Blizzard*cough*

[Deltateam Elcor]

 Its not the games that are bad entirely, you MUST look at the wider picture, sick of this short term crap.

There is a trend within giant publishers, they buy up companies with good brands, insist on making them more viable for a "wider" audience, they REALLY force the issue with release dates and stupid development times.

A lot of the big minds at bioware have already left, some even right at the start of the buyout, they knew exactly what was going to happen and didnt want their pride to go out of the window.

All EA cares for is short term profit, that usually ends up with said company going bust, the only reason that they continue to exist is because they did infact make a good few games in the past...however that is no longer entirely true.

[Twinzam.V]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

 Its not the games that are bad entirely, you MUST look at the wider picture, sick of this short term crap.

There is a trend within giant publishers, they buy up companies with good brands, insist on making them more viable for a "wider" audience, they REALLY force the issue with release dates and stupid development times.

A lot of the big minds at bioware have already left, some even right at the start of the buyout, they knew exactly what was going to happen and didnt want their pride to go out of the window.

All EA cares for is short term profit, that usually ends up with said company going bust, the only reason that they continue to exist is because they did infact make a good few games in the past...however that is no longer entirely true.

That's a problem with big companies, someone would expect that what happened to Atari after the video game crisis was a lesson to remember.
Even more since Origin. It was also a big name in it's time and also bought by EA. After it's fate you would think they would avoid doing the same thing.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 19 juin 2012 - 08:37 .

[antares_sublight]

The ME3 ending made BioWare *at best* a mediocre group of people.

[Gexora]

Mediocrity is a terrible fate
(sorry, couldn't resist)

[Sebby]

Atakuma wrote...

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

Bioware's writing has never been great either. Their stories tend to be the standard black and white disney tale against big bad ancient evil with tons of inane hero worship.

[Funkdrspot]

The problem is the drop off from the demi-god status to mediocre is incredibly significant. Its like the difference between a nuke and the sun.

[Funkdrspot]

Seboist wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

Bioware's writing has never been great either. Their stories tend to be the standard black and white disney tale against big bad ancient evil with tons of inane hero worship.

this couldnt be more wrong, but if you were correct, why are they catching flak for trying t have a non disney ending?

[Fireblader70]

Seboist wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

Bioware's writing has never been great either. Their stories tend to be the standard black and white disney tale against big bad ancient evil with tons of inane hero worship.

What about the characters? I usually find Bioware's character writing and development to be excellent. After all, characters drive the plot, not the other way around, or so I have found to be the case in most good stories. 'A Song of Ice and Fire' would be nothing without the characters, and that is considered to be a great story.