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[Sajuro]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...

Personally, I prefer Valve and Bethesda. Obsidian released some pretty sweet titles too, and Black Isle was great back in the day. Bioware? Meh.

I know it is beating a dead horse to get on Valve for not releasing Half Life 3, but in my opinion Portal 2 was just more of the same and Team Fortress 2.... no.
Bethesda, the only good games I played from them are Morrowind, Fallout 3, and Skyrim.
As for Bioware, I loved KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect 123, Dragon Age O, A, 2.
But as to everyone on this thread, thank you for the positivity I have seen, I created this thread because it seemed like the people who wanted Bioware to go die in a pit because of the endings built up their own echo dome around the forums.

[Sajuro]

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

[o Ventus]

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

[Joccaren]

Eh. ME3 and DA2 have already made Bioware fall from amazing to mediocre in my books.

If the EC isn't great, they'll move down further to the level of those games you see in store that look like they could be interesting, but you just know that the execution will be horrible.

[Sajuro]

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

 you missed the part where I said I've been here since ME2, which could possibly maybe perhaps somewhat kind of imply that the comments I am referring to are on the ME2 forums, you know, the game in the series that came before ME3
Also there was the constant bickering about Collector's Base, people posting about how ME2 was useless to the whole story of the trilogy and how it made no sense and now people are holding it up as the golden child.

[Sajuro]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Haha, vocal minority, whiners, malcontents and now nerds. Meanwhile EA's stock goes further in the tank. Keep up the good work!

Probably because publications inexplicably treat this psuedo controversy with any amount of dignity *coughforbescough*

[o Ventus]

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

 you missed the part where I said I've been here since ME2, which could possibly maybe perhaps somewhat kind of imply that the comments I am referring to are on the ME2 forums, you know, the game in the series that came before ME3
Also there was the constant bickering about Collector's Base, people posting about how ME2 was useless to the whole story of the trilogy and how it made no sense and now people are holding it up as the golden child.

The section where the posts are made is irrelevant. If the post is made, it's made. The only CB bickering I've seen is idiots fighting over which decision is better. Before ME3 was released, NOBODY was saying ME2 was useless to the trilgoy, because the trilogy hadn't been completed yet. Pre-release, every other page of posts I saw was "How is X going to play out in ME3?".

Produce evidence, or go away. Take your pick.

[julio77777]

o Ventus wrote...

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

You're blind mostly

There has been complaints about mako in ME1, almost everyone found the exploration tedious, so they got rid of it instead of making it better.

Same for hacking got rid of it because people said it's not fun.

As for Harbringer he was kinda hated.

And ME2 is NOT a RPG it's a TPS with RPG elements,but I don't think of any ME as a RPG. Doen't mean they aren't good game just they are hybrids.

But mostly Bioware listened to the fans too much IMO.

Modifié par julio77777, 20 juin 2012 - 06:38 .

[o Ventus]

julio77777 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

You're blind mostly

There has been complaints about mako in ME1, almost everyone found the exploration tedious, so they got rid of it instead of making it better.

Same for hacking got rid of it because people said it's not fun.

As for Harbringer he was kinda hated.

And ME2 is NOT a RPG it's a TPS with RPG elements,but I don't think of any ME as a RPG. Doen't mean they aren't good game just they are hybrids.

But mostly Bioware listened to the fans too much IMO.

I already conceded that people dislike the Mako. I've only seen a small number of people, including myself, say they like it. What does this have to do with ME2?

As for hacking, see above.

I've said all I can say about Harbinger. I have never seen anyone say they hate him (though I don't doubt that some people do), but that they just prefer Sovereign as a villain.

If you don't consider any of the ME's as RPGs, then why did you bother making this point? Also, genres aren't mutually exclusive. Just saying.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 juin 2012 - 06:42 .

[Epique Phael767]

 i'll just leave this here.....

[Sajuro]

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

 you missed the part where I said I've been here since ME2, which could possibly maybe perhaps somewhat kind of imply that the comments I am referring to are on the ME2 forums, you know, the game in the series that came before ME3
Also there was the constant bickering about Collector's Base, people posting about how ME2 was useless to the whole story of the trilogy and how it made no sense and now people are holding it up as the golden child.

The section where the posts are made is irrelevant. If the post is made, it's made. The only CB bickering I've seen is idiots fighting over which decision is better. Before ME3 was released, NOBODY was saying ME2 was useless to the trilgoy, because the trilogy hadn't been completed yet. Pre-release, every other page of posts I saw was "How is X going to play out in ME3?".

Produce evidence, or go away. Take your pick.

This is my thread .... but ok
http://social.biowar...5/index/5598760
http://social.biowar...5/index/2178177
http://social.biowar...5/index/1824907

[o Ventus]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

 i'll just leave this here.....

No matter how many times I see this, it never gets old.

[o Ventus]

Sajuro wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/5598760
http://social.biowar...5/index/2178177
http://social.biowar...5/index/1824907

Thread #1 - Responses were half-n-half. 
Thread #2 - See above. Also see my earlier post.
Thread #3 - I only read the first page, but every single person who responded to that person called the OP a troll.

Your points aren't getting any stronger.

Modifié par o Ventus, 20 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[SwitchN7]

Even as just another producing branch of that "marvelous" Electronic Arts Bioware is still one of the best if not THE BEST depending on how you look at it.In my opinion they are right up there with Blizzard/Activision.If EA will reduce the number of extra ways in which they try and stea...make every penny they can of of you the consumer they could become an immense entertainment phenomenon.Just in my opinion of course.

Modifié par SwitchN7, 20 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[corporal doody]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Are you blind?

ME1, as a game, was mediocre. Its only saving grace was its narrative and nostalgia factor. ME2 and ME3 were much better.

But yea, let's just bash on the new games. It's the cool thing to do now a days.

truer words could not have been spoken!!!  ME1's story..THE STORY got me hooked....the rest of the game was so-so....but of course to me..THE STORY out-weighed EVERYTHING ELSE...so ME1 was and still is AWESOMENESS!!!

with ME2 and ME3 - ending doing a better job. I say ME3-ending is one of the BEST VIDEOGAME EXPERIENCES OF MY LIFE

[o Ventus]

corporal doody wrote...
 I say ME3-ending is one of the BEST VIDEOGAME EXPERIENCES OF MY LIFE

No it wasn't.

[indyracing]

Sylvf wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

I'm sure that a majority of the original Bioware staff no longer works there. 

I see this get mentioned and it doesn't seem true. I work in the same room as someone who's been with BioWare for 17 years, and someone else who's been here a mere 13 years. Next to my room is a whole bushel of people who worked on games I played in junior high.*

I couldn't give you the actual turnover rate, but it's a place full of great people, and it seems a lot of experienced staff from many games past have stuck around because they love it so much.


*It's both weird and cool to get the inside scoop on those games. Like mentioning a level you loved in KOTOR gets you a hackle-raising tale of blood and sweat and crunch time.

I'll be honest - I had assumed most of the people that worked on games such as BG (especially 2), KOTOR and DA 1 had moved on, if only because the latest 3 games (TOR, ME 3 and DA 2 - and to some extent ME 2 with regards to the story) are all noticably weaker in what is traditionally Bioware's strength (story).

DA 2 and ME 3 seem especially dumbed down compared to PC games of the past (though I played all the MEs on Xbox - AFAIK the interface and everything is identical on the PC), and I realize that's a trend in all PC games - being consolized (especially with their interface - everything a LOT bigger than anything needs to be on a PC, but also with simpler controls that fit with a controller - even though the PC has a mouse and hundreds of keys).

But I didn't expect the stories themselves to get weaker.  KOTOR was the first game I played on PC that was obviously consolified in it's UI, but the story was still awesome.

I'm sure the long-time employees are nice people for the most part (most people are), but the games you guys are releasing are, in general, not up to past standards in terms of story - at least to many (if not most) long-time players.  I'm sure if they sell more than those games of the past that not too many people (especially higher ups) at EA/Bioware will really care how many have this opinion, but the change from DA 1 to DA 2, and the transition from ME 1 to 2 to 3 (not even touching on the end of ME 3, but just everything leading up to the beam) show a pretty obvious change in style of game you guys are trying to make.

As for TOR - all I can say is that some of the stories were "good for an MMO", but I don't think I played one that I would consider "good for a Bioware story".  The game itself (mechanics and such) was pretty much a weak clone of WoW with a few minor tweaks, which was not inspiring (as a side note I don't think the Elder Scrolls MMO, based on what I've read, will be any sort of success, either).

[Dominus]

It's both weird and cool to get the inside scoop on those games. Like mentioning a level you loved in KOTOR gets you a hackle-raising tale of blood and sweat and crunch time.

From all the posts in the BioWare Q&A topic, I could imagine as much. From what I gathered via Lukas, BG2 overwhelmed the Development team due to the enormous scope.

What I am saying is even if ME3 and DA2 are not up to Bioware's par, it certaintly doesn't mean Bioware is a failing company, it just means they are slightly better than most of the other games out there instead of being much better./opinion

At least relatively speaking, it's been dissapointing. It's been enough for many fans to genuinely question the future(Business-Side related) to where BioWare is going. I enjoyed ME3 quite a bit enough to give an eye for DLC and whatever they feel like creating. With DA2, well, I couldn't say I was a fan of the series in the first place anyhow.

Modifié par DominusVita, 20 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[corporal doody]

o Ventus wrote...

corporal doody wrote...
 I say ME3-ending is one of the BEST VIDEOGAME EXPERIENCES OF MY LIFE

No it wasn't.

how you gonna tell me Im wrong about something I feel or think? CRAZINESS IS CRAZY!

huh..you did read that ME3-ending as ME3 MINUS Ending? cuz it is ME3 minus Ending

ive played many ah games..going back to the Commodore 64 and Calicovision and what not.

Modifié par corporal doody, 20 juin 2012 - 09:36 .

[iHorizons]

The ME3 Ending is complete garbage (I actually like it until Casper arrives that's when it becomes crap)

[Jagri]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

A bit of Space Magic would fix this situation. 

I know turn the chart upside down and call it artistic integrity! Hehe take that vocal "minority" if you look at this chart upside down EA stock is only going up! 

Modifié par Jagri, 20 juin 2012 - 09:59 .

[corporal doody]

Jagri wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

A bit of Space Magic would fix this situation. 

I know turn the chart upside down and call it artistic integrity! Hehe take that vocal "minority" if you look at this chart upside down EA stock is only going up! 

ive heard videogame sales have been in decline (double digit %) for months now
the question is...how have other videogame companies faired? what about other non-videogame companies in the same time span?

cuz looking at the chart....the by year portion aint looking so bad....you cant profit every year..even though im sure they would like that...i mean who wouldnt.
 
arent sales usually best around the fall?....cuz im seeing alot of ebbing and flowing with them lines and bars and stuff

Modifié par corporal doody, 20 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[Asharad Hett]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

 Its not the games that are bad entirely,

Actually DA2 was the worst game I ever played.  And I go way back to TRS80 games.  It's the only game I never finished.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 20 juin 2012 - 10:44 .