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[Dean_the_Young]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

When you factor out the writing, Bioware games have always been fairly mediocre.

Bioware's writing has never been great either. Their stories tend to be the standard black and white disney tale against big bad ancient evil with tons of inane hero worship.

this couldnt be more wrong, but if you were correct, why are they catching flak for trying t have a non disney ending?

For trying to have a non-disney ending.

Have you heard what so many people wanted the ME3 ending to be? To listen to a lot of them, loss was something that happened to other people and Mordin and/or Thane.

[BatmanPWNS]

Why do people like to act like ME2 was flawed but act like ME1 was sent from God yet it's just as much as flawed and half worked as the rest of the series.

[Jagri]

corporal doody wrote...

Jagri wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

A bit of Space Magic would fix this situation. 

I know turn the chart upside down and call it artistic integrity! Hehe take that vocal "minority" if you look at this chart upside down EA stock is only going up! 

ive heard videogame sales have been in decline (double digit %) for months now
the question is...how have other videogame companies faired? what about other non-videogame companies in the same time span?

cuz looking at the chart....the by year portion aint looking so bad....you cant profit every year..even though im sure they would like that...i mean who wouldnt.
 
arent sales usually best around the fall?....cuz im seeing alot of ebbing and flowing with them lines and bars and stuff

http://www.google.co...t=ob&q=NYSE:KNM 

^ Here is a decent chart to observe just select year in order to see overall progress.

[Dean_the_Young]

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

You're blind, or highly forgetful.

[Helios969]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Might be a good time to invest.  Buy low, sell high.  Unless you think videogames are gonna go the way of the dodo.

I find the whole topic somewhat laughable.  Mediocre compared to what?  EA/BW games are pretty much the only ones I play.  Despite some recent releases that failed to live up to my lofty (perhaps unrealistic) expectations, they're still better than most others.  I'd rather play a bad Bioware game than most other games that are considered good.  They're the only ones that really seem to immerse me in the experience.

[Sebby]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Why do people like to act like ME2 was flawed but act like ME1 was sent from God yet it's just as much as flawed and half worked as the rest of the series.

ME1 was certainly where the descent into the Mariana's trench of pulp schlock began for the series with the abysmal portrayal of the council and the hero worshipping inanity that's the main premise but it had nothing to rival the derp of Lazarus,Space Terminator, Crucible or Starchild.

Modifié par Seboist, 20 juin 2012 - 11:03 .

[corporal doody]

Jagri wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Jagri wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

A bit of Space Magic would fix this situation. 

I know turn the chart upside down and call it artistic integrity! Hehe take that vocal "minority" if you look at this chart upside down EA stock is only going up! 

ive heard videogame sales have been in decline (double digit %) for months now
the question is...how have other videogame companies faired? what about other non-videogame companies in the same time span?

cuz looking at the chart....the by year portion aint looking so bad....you cant profit every year..even though im sure they would like that...i mean who wouldnt.
 
arent sales usually best around the fall?....cuz im seeing alot of ebbing and flowing with them lines and bars and stuff

http://www.google.co...t=ob&q=NYSE:KNM 

^ Here is a decent chart to observe just select year in order to see overall progress.

was comparing some charts with ea.

um...wow.  just wow. confidence is truely down...Madden should help them out....hmmm

[mumwaldee369]

Helios969 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

Might be a good time to invest.  Buy low, sell high.  Unless you think videogames are gonna go the way of the dodo.

I find the whole topic somewhat laughable.  Mediocre compared to what?  EA/BW games are pretty much the only ones I play.  Despite some recent releases that failed to live up to my lofty (perhaps unrealistic) expectations, they're still better than most others.  I'd rather play a bad Bioware game than most other games that are considered good.  They're the only ones that really seem to immerse me in the experience.

Put your money where your mouth is and start buying EA stock.  EA/BW will cater to the lowest common denominator.  If you will pay top dollar for unfinished games and then pay more to get dlc that should have been included in the first place, they will continue to put it out there for you to buy.  Enjoy the microtransactions.


*and no I don't think video games are going away, but with a crappy global economy, entertainment dollars are not as abundant as they once were.  EA/BW will have to compete with small studios with fresh ideas and full games that passionate game makers have created...until EA buys them out obv.  I predict EA will split into smaller units and the Bioware name will go away completely.

How the video games industry is faring
www.businessweek.com/ap/2012-06-18/how-the-video-games-industry-is-faring

Modifié par mumwaldee369, 20 juin 2012 - 01:09 .

[mumwaldee369]

corporal doody wrote...



was comparing some charts with ea.

um...wow.  just wow. confidence is truely down...Madden should help them out....hmmm

The NASDAQ as a whole looks like it's up over 400 points over the same last 6 months, so they can't say the entire market is down or every business is down.  Activision is down 30 cents or so over the same 6 months.

Modifié par mumwaldee369, 20 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[Sajuro]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

With both DA2 and ME3 (and ME2 but people have been putting on rose colored glasses) there have been some flaws, like repeating dungeons or weak endings.

Difference between ME3 and ME2, is that ME2 was consistently satisfying throughout. ME3, with Tuchanka and Rannoch as its highest points, reaches only a "decent", with the ending dragging it down to "god-awful".

One game being better than the other has nothing to do with fanciful nostalgia.

I have been here since ME2 so I will say what I remember changing
God Harbinger sucks as a villain, I hope he isn't in ME3!!!!
-post ME3-
Why doesn't Harbinger get any lines?
----
ME2 isn't even a rpg, it's just a shooter so "caw of dooty" players can go pew pew
--post ME3 better skill trees and more customization--
ME2 was a real rpg, ME3's just a Third Person Shooter for all of the "caw of dooty" fans and casual gamers.
-------back further--------
Mako sucks, get rid of it!
-------ME2----------
Bring back Mako, Hammerhead sucks!
-------ME3----------
Why don't they have the Hammerhead!
/Nostalgia

I'm either blind or you're lying.

I've never seen anything saying Harbinger sucks as a villain, only that most people here prefer Sovereign to Harbinger.

I've also never seen anyone say ME2 isn't an RPG.

I've only seen a few die-hards (like myself) say they like the Mako. Most seem to favor the Hammerhead. That's not conclusive of anything. A split opinion doesn't mean a single thing.

You're blind, or highly forgetful.

Thank you Dean but Ventus only registered in Feb so unless they have had another account before they would have missed the constant threads.

[antares_sublight]

Sylvf wrote...
it's a place full of great people

None of whom had a say in ME3, evidently.

[Hoot42]

Sajuro wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hmm, I actually agree with this. Maybe it's why I find people saying the EC is make or break for Bioware laughable.

Bioware still can and will ride new sales to moderate success. And don't forget who's behind them. EA has been making **** for years, with everyone fully aware that it's **** and yet they're still around. It's like they built a huge monument of **** and even though it smells bad it still stands as tall as any of the non-**** buildings that is other game developers. And Bioware has that **** monument to lean on. They'll be fine.

What games have been ****? I mean the Madden Games (waiting for them to start with Madden spring of 2013, Madden Fall of 2013, Madden Febuary 12th of 2014) and Sims seems to be their biggest money makers

Have you played Madden in the last 4 yrs? The only reason it sell so well is because its the only NFL licensed game out there. And us football crazies have to have our fix.

[iggy4566]

Hoot42 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hmm, I actually agree with this. Maybe it's why I find people saying the EC is make or break for Bioware laughable.

Bioware still can and will ride new sales to moderate success. And don't forget who's behind them. EA has been making **** for years, with everyone fully aware that it's **** and yet they're still around. It's like they built a huge monument of **** and even though it smells bad it still stands as tall as any of the non-**** buildings that is other game developers. And Bioware has that **** monument to lean on. They'll be fine.

What games have been ****? I mean the Madden Games (waiting for them to start with Madden spring of 2013, Madden Fall of 2013, Madden Febuary 12th of 2014) and Sims seems to be their biggest money makers

Have you played Madden in the last 4 yrs? The only reason it sell so well is because its the only NFL licensed game out there. And us football crazies have to have our fix.

MADDEN needs to die.

[Darth Death]

Leafs43 wrote...

I can live with Bioware being considered a mediocre company.

I personally can't. Either they go back to having proper standards or don't produce any games at all. It's not fair for fans that BioWare made great games in the past, but no longer desire to anymore. 

[Grimwick]

Sajuro wrote...

Grimwick wrote...

Nothing is worse than mediocrity...

Nonexistance perhaps? Never getting a third game out?

Nope. I would say those are marginally better.

Being mediocre means being completely average. Completely not-special. If you didn't exist you wouldn't have an opinion to say that non-existence is worse. And never getting a third game out? 

Very debatable at the moment.

[clarkusdarkus]

To be honest i was always a fan of squaresoft, then they merge with enix and now Final fantasy is a joke and i havent purchased one of them games since 10. I feel bioware will be the next company i stop buying from as there games go all commercial and to a specific watered down audience.

[Atakuma]

Darth Death wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

I can live with Bioware being considered a mediocre company.

I personally can't. Either they go back to having proper standards or don't produce any games at all. It's not fair for fans that BioWare made great games in the past, but no longer desire to anymore. 

You have a seriously inflated ego if you think Bioware should stop making games just because you don't like them.

[Newnation]

Unless they put out a couple of games that are just pure ****, I don't think they will ever be considered a mediocre company. Just going off their record of good games alone since the company has been around. Hell, people on this forum can even **** on TOR all they want but it is still making them money and doesn't look like its going to free to play anytime soon....Actually people on this forum tend to **** on everything.

[Merwanor]

What is this about ME2 being flawed, yes all games have some flaws, but personally I think ME2 was much better than ME1 on mostly all counts. DA2 was also a pretty good game, but without much replayability, because of the reuse of enviroments. I do not think Bioware should stop making games even if ME3 has the worst ending ever made for a game, at least a game with a worthy story and cast. Yes they have ruined the ME universe for me, at least this trilogy is ruined because of that ending. But they still have some other great games, and even though they have not pushed out something truly brilliant since DAO, I think they will make more great games in the future that may make me forgett about ME.

But I would never want any game company to stop making games, even if I hate their games, like the CoD series is a boring rehashed money making machine that is a blight on gaming. But I know that lots of people enjoy these games and because of that I can't be that selfish and just wish for those kind of games to never be released anymore. That would be very selfish of me, and also the fact that the people working at Bioware all have families and jobs that put food on the table, I don't wish anything other than happiness for these people.

Modifié par Merwanor, 20 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[Cyricsservant101]

shepdog77 wrote...

lol @ no one mentioning Sylvf's quote.
Bioware still has the great employee's that made great games, they just adapted to the times (unlike any of you) and will continue to make great games. Please everyone get off that nostalgia, it can be very bad for you

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

They've adapted to EA's rediculous release schedules by releasing products of lesser quality, and I've adapted by holding off on buying their games until they're at least half off (e.g. DA2 for $20, ME3 for $30, etc).
 
See, we've both adapted!

[Darth Death]

Atakuma wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

I can live with Bioware being considered a mediocre company.

I personally can't. Either they go back to having proper standards or don't produce any games at all. It's not fair for fans that BioWare made great games in the past, but no longer desire to anymore. 

You have a seriously inflated ego if you think Bioware should stop making games just because you don't like them.

To be fair, there's a lot of complaining regarding BioWare's lack of quality. I'm not the only person who feels this way. Either way, if their fans stop buying BioWare's products, then no more BioWare games.

[RobotMilk]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

EA isn't Bioware. EA owns Bioware. Bioware is Bioware.

Somehow I doubt BW selling millions of games is whats hurting EA's profit margains.

As for "nerds" I'm all for'em, but most gaming forums have some sort of creepy, angsty, forum sub-culture that does nothing but hang out on the same forum to complain about the same game day after day. Call it what you want to, I just think it's weird.

[mumwaldee369]

RobotMilk wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

RobotMilk wrote...

Gimme a break. Go out of business? Seriously?

All of the Bio games mentioned were huge hits, awesome games, and won almost universal praise. ME3 was awesome except for some people weren't satisfied with ending. Now one of the best game studios ever, who've made some of the best games ever, is supposed to shut down?

Sometimes the nerd angst on these forums makes me wanna puke.

EA has lost over 40% of it's value in the stock market over the past 6 months.  I guess investors are just angsty nerds instead of savvy business people that know a sinking ship when they see one.

finance.yahoo.com/echarts

EA isn't Bioware. EA owns Bioware. Bioware is Bioware.

Somehow I doubt BW selling millions of games is whats hurting EA's profit margains.

As for "nerds" I'm all for'em, but most gaming forums have some sort of creepy, angsty, forum sub-culture that does nothing but hang out on the same forum to complain about the same game day after day. Call it what you want to, I just think it's weird.

Haha.  Too funny.

[Epique Phael767]

o Ventus wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

 i'll just leave this here.....

No matter how many times I see this, it never gets old.

really, this kind of irony is just timeless.

[JeffKaos]

I'm writing this on my iPad so I am unable to use a quote but at the beggining of this thread Atakuma said that if you factor out the writing Bioware makes mediocre games. I agree with this. Just look at 3 random Vioware games: KOTOR, Jade Empire and Mass Effect. Take away the writing and really what do you have? 3rd person game-play with main hero and two followers, very small game worlds with extremely linear areas to "explore" and combat that is pretty uninvolved where you pause the action to issue commands. And each of these games also has pretty limiting character developement. While the combat was more involved in Mass Effect it still followed the tried and true BioWare method. Whenever a new BioWare game comes out I never even consider how it will play, because if you played one BioWare game you pretty much know the mechanics of all of them. And before anyone brings up Dragon Age: Origins I'll say that it's basically the same thing except with a few extra followers, just like Baldurs Gate.