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[moater boat]

R Rarzy wrote...

imo, it is quite ridiculous to call ME as a whole 'ruined' because of the ending.

EVERYONE
IS
DEAD!

Not just the SP characters, all your MP characters that you level up and get awesome weapons for are going to die too. It doesn't matter. They are all DEAD. Do you think about that when you are playing multiplayer? It really doesn't matter what happens in MP, the end result is the same.

[moater boat]

Total Biscuit wrote...


I don't play singleplayer, which I'd vastly prefer I be able to, because the ending ruined the entire franchise, and made doing so completely pointless and unenjoyably. I can't even play ME1&2 anymore, both of which would still be more fun than MP, because the ending taint is so bad it ruins every single moment of Mass Effects story.

But what makes MP immune from that? It IS part of the story after all. It's not connected with Shepard, but it all part of the war.

[megabeast37215]

I love the ME universe, characters, story, enemies, etc. I play the MP b/c the I really enjoy playing in a team environment and working together with my friends. I also play this b/c MW3 is a horrid camping nightmare of a game (with subpar graphics to boot), and if it wasn't that way I would've probably never played the multiplayer on here.

The other reason I play the multiplayer is because the single player campaign just didn't have the replay value ME2 did. Maybe that's b/c I now know that all my decision making in the previous games meant absolutely nothing in the long run. Perhaps the illusion that my decisions actually matter, made the series much more enjoyable. In my first play through of the single player I was awe-struck several times throughout the campaign, but even as good as those moments were... when I went to play through again.. I just couldn't get into it.

[david_demos484]

Moater Boat... Dude really? This is such a bad bad place to take a survey when asking people why they play the multi player. You are going to get 100% biased answers. These people, myself included, like the multiplayer soo much that they would take the time to get on a forum, sign up, and read through this stuff.

WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING FOR THEM TO SAY!!!???

geez man

[moater boat]

david_demos484 wrote...

Moater Boat... Dude really? This is such a bad bad place to take a survey when asking people why they play the multi player. You are going to get 100% biased answers. These people, myself included, like the multiplayer soo much that they would take the time to get on a forum, sign up, and read through this stuff.

WHAT WERE YOU EXPECTING FOR THEM TO SAY!!!???

geez man

I don't know, I guess I am a glutton for punishment. To be fair though, I have seen some answers that do make perfect sense to me. I don't necessarily agree with them, but at least I can understand why they choose to play MP even if they are completely dissatisfied with SP.

[TLK Spires]

mp =/= sp. i haven't touched single player since i "finished" it (that non-ending doesn't make me feel like i'm done, at all) and i definitely won't be any time soon, and i have very low expectations of the extended cut. the mp is fine enough atm.

[Kasrkin]

moater boat wrote...

It seems to me that playing multiplayer is the same as telling Bioware that you are happy with ME3...


For those of you that weren't happy with the way ME3 turned out, aren't you kind of sending the wrong message to bioware?

Edit:
maybe I am not being clear, don't you realize that by playing multiplayer you are telling bioware they did a good job, when they obviously didn't?
 

Edit 2:
For anyone I have insulted in my posts, I apologize. I should not have called anyone stupid, and I should keep such opinions to myself, as they contribute nothing to the discussion.

Multiplayer Discussion Forums; check.
Ranting about SP campaign ending rendering efforts in multiplayer fruitless; check.

Correlation between the two?  Not so much.


The MP, even as broken as it is, is fun for me.  Period.  I hop on with some friends, we blow things up.
Analyzing it any deeper than that doesn't seem like a rewarding experience.

Further; playing the free(ish if on Xbox - need Gold) MP doesn't necessarily validate any of the marketing decisions made by EA and or Bioware.  The decisions were made, whether or not *anyone* plays the MP or not. 

[Zero132132]

moater boat wrote...

I think it is wrong to say that the single player experience has no bearing on the enjoyability of mutliplayer. I mean, Mass Effect is for all intents and purposes ruined, nothing you can do in single player or multiplayer can change that. Don't you think that by playing multiplayer you are sending the wrong message to Bioware?

What justification do you have for any of that? The multiplayer may slightly alter the single player game, but the single-player game has no bearing whatsoever on what happens in the multiplayer segment. It is functionally distinct from the single-player campaign. Also, the series isn't ruined. Quit being a baby. The story went somewhere YOU didn't like. That has no bearing on MY ability to enjoy the single player, and definitely has nothing to do with how enjoyable any of us find the multiplayer. I'm not playing to send a message of any sort, I'm playing because it's enjoyable. Don't ask me to forego personal enjoyment because YOU want to send a message.

Don't you think that by signing up for bioware social network and participating frequently in discussions on this site, you're sending the message that you're still interested in the series? If you want to wash your hands of it, that's fine. Sell your game, leave the site, and let it fade from memory. Doesn't mean anyone else has to go with you.

I know you think you're super-smart and that everyone should defer to your oh-so-greater judgement, but all you're doing here is whining. No one wants to hear you whine, so why are you bothering?

[FPSBlake]

To rage at people who are playing infiltrator because no one can decide what they want to play on their own!

[blacksheepD]

I like playing with people rather than against them. Also in other multi games you tend to die/respawn every minute which is considered normal but I get annoyed by it. I like how there is always a new approach/style of play to try with characters/weapons. I like the struggle to remain calm under pressure!

[moater boat]

Zero132132 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

I think it is wrong to say that the single player experience has no bearing on the enjoyability of mutliplayer. I mean, Mass Effect is for all intents and purposes ruined, nothing you can do in single player or multiplayer can change that. Don't you think that by playing multiplayer you are sending the wrong message to Bioware?

What justification do you have for any of that? The multiplayer may slightly alter the single player game, but the single-player game has no bearing whatsoever on what happens in the multiplayer segment. It is functionally distinct from the single-player campaign. Also, the series isn't ruined. Quit being a baby. The story went somewhere YOU didn't like. That has no bearing on MY ability to enjoy the single player, and definitely has nothing to do with how enjoyable any of us find the multiplayer. I'm not playing to send a message of any sort, I'm playing because it's enjoyable. Don't ask me to forego personal enjoyment because YOU want to send a message.

Don't you think that by signing up for bioware social network and participating frequently in discussions on this site, you're sending the message that you're still interested in the series? If you want to wash your hands of it, that's fine. Sell your game, leave the site, and let it fade from memory. Doesn't mean anyone else has to go with you.

I know you think you're super-smart and that everyone should defer to your oh-so-greater judgement, but all you're doing here is whining. No one wants to hear you whine, so why are you bothering?

Everyone dies. If you want more justification for the series being ruined too bad. So yes, single player does have an effect on multiplayer, because everyone dies. I understand that you aren't playing to send a message, what you don't understand is that whether or not you want to send a message, you are still doing it. If you want to keep playing MP by all means, go ahead and do so, but don't lie to yourself and say that your actions have no greater impact. You are rewarding Bioware in spite of their abysmal failure. If you are okay with that, fine, but I am not going to do that.

Now since you are so kind enough to give me advice on how to deal with my problems with Bioware, let me return the favor by giving you some advice on how you can deal with your problems with me. Don't come back to this thread. Wash your hands of it and let if fade from your memory. If you disagree with me, fine, you've shared your opinion, and that is that. I already understand your view, but you keep coming back here to whine at me. I don't want to read your whining, so why are you bothering?

[Kasrkin]

How exactly is playing the MP element of ME3 rewarding Bioware, exactly?
Will you quantify this?

I still do not quite get where you're going with that.

[aaron baba]

I play it because it's fun and I payed for the game.

[R Rarzy]

moater boat wrote...

R Rarzy wrote...

imo, it is quite ridiculous to call ME as a whole 'ruined' because of the ending.

EVERYONE
IS
DEAD!

Not just the SP characters, all your MP characters that you level up and get awesome weapons for are going to die too. It doesn't matter. They are all DEAD. Do you think about that when you are playing multiplayer? It really doesn't matter what happens in MP, the end result is the same.

I'm sorry, but ME is all about your own story, and at the end of my story NO ONE IS DEAD!  I don't see where you're coming from with that.

And say that is your arguement... part of life, and good storytelling, is death.  By your logic, the journey of the character is irrelevent if they die.  Does that mean that everyone's life doesn't matter because we're all going to eventually die?  Does that mean since Darth Vader dies, the entire original Star Wars trilogy is meaningless and doesn't matter?  Does that mean that Alien, and Aliens, become pointless, poor movies because all of the Colonial Marines die and Ripley dies and the end of Alien 3?  Does that mean Red Dead Redemption's story is meaningless?  The list of examples is almost infinite.   Every piece of media, whether it be games, movies, books, etc. where a character, or characters, die, does that mean the entire plot or story becomes meaningless?

Of course not.

[moater boat]

Kasrkin wrote...

How exactly is playing the MP element of ME3 rewarding Bioware, exactly?
Will you quantify this?

I still do not quite get where you're going with that.

This is a good question and I should have addressed it sooner. The reward is immaterial. There is not extra money involved, but money isn't everything. Often times it is just as, if not more important, to know that the product you made is well recieved by your customer base. Right now Bioware can tell themselves that overall ME3 was fairly well recieved based on the MP audience, but it is a widely held view that ME3 was, as a whole, a major letdown.

[Shadow Shep]

moater boat wrote...

Everyone dies. If you want more justification for the series being ruined too bad. So yes, single player does have an effect on multiplayer, because everyone dies. 

They Do? I wasn't aware of this.  I'm still not sure if spoilers are okay in this forum section, but *possible spoilers*
Joker, and whatever squadmates are with him aren't dead.  Plenty of people on planet Earth are not dead.  Depending what ending you choose, a lot of people/aliens can survive.  Do I like the ending?  Absolutely not, but everyone is not dead. 

Modifié par DJCubed, 20 juin 2012 - 09:53 .

[moater boat]

R Rarzy wrote...

moater boat wrote...

R Rarzy wrote...

imo, it is quite ridiculous to call ME as a whole 'ruined' because of the ending.

EVERYONE
IS
DEAD!

Not just the SP characters, all your MP characters that you level up and get awesome weapons for are going to die too. It doesn't matter. They are all DEAD. Do you think about that when you are playing multiplayer? It really doesn't matter what happens in MP, the end result is the same.

I'm sorry, but ME is all about your own story, and at the end of my story NO ONE IS DEAD!  I don't see where you're coming from with that.

And say that is your arguement... part of life, and good storytelling, is death.  By your logic, the journey of the character is irrelevent if they die.  Does that mean that everyone's life doesn't matter because we're all going to eventually die?  Does that mean since Darth Vader dies, the entire original Star Wars trilogy is meaningless and doesn't matter?  Does that mean that Alien, and Aliens, become pointless, poor movies because all of the Colonial Marines die and Ripley dies and the end of Alien 3?  Does that mean Red Dead Redemption's story is meaningless?  The list of examples is almost infinite.   Every piece of media, whether it be games, movies, books, etc. where a character, or characters, die, does that mean the entire plot or story becomes meaningless?

Of course not.

EVERYONE is dead. If you want more details on that you will have to go to the campaign forums, I am already on thin ice so I will not discuss the story here.

[Lima54]

moater boat wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

moater boat wrote...

It seems to me that playing multiplayer is the same as telling Bioware that you are happy with ME3...


For those of you that weren't happy with the way ME3 turned out, aren't you kind of sending the wrong message to bioware?

Edit:
maybe I am not being clear, don't you realize that by playing multiplayer you are telling bioware they did a good job, when they obviously didn't?

I'm sorry if I have a brain, I didn't mean to, I born with it. Having a brain, I can think by myself, I can analize something, not by the last ten minutes, but by everything that was done

- Bioware did a good job with the MP. There's problems, sure, but it's fun, it's addictive, it's something I wanted since ME1: A way to play ME combat whatever I want, without the need to start a new playthrough, better than what I was looking for, I can do it with friends!!

- Bioware did a good job closing the most important arcs of the trilogy before the very end, being the genophage arc the best by far.

- Bioware did a good job trying to do something different. They lacked some corage in the last round, but when was the last time that you saw a trilogy where you played the third game with the same char you started in the first one? They didn't reach all the expectation they created in the public, but it can be called inovation, it can be called something fresh, a bold project.

 I can go on and on. They did a amazing Citadel in ME3, they made Normandy even more interesting, bringing interaction between the squad, they made a better combat system, better enemies, bring more personalization.
Mosty important of all, They made a emotional game, I never cared so much about a universe and about characters of a game. I cried a lot, I laugh, I felt for every single character, even Jacob. That's one of the reason the the mediocre end had all this impact. We cared, we cared a lot, and we felt. They did it, they build it before the crap 10 minutes, so yeah Bioware, your game was amazing.


I will keep playing the MP, I will play the extended cut, the DLCs, and I will be there for a ME4. Hope they keep what is good, and learn where they failed.

Without being drawn into a discussion about the merits of the campaign, i will just say that if you go the the campaign forums and try to explain to everyone how the game was great except for the end, there will be no shortage of people ready to disabuse you of that notion.

That's why I don't go there, there's too much negativity around. The ending sucks? Yes? Acknowledging this I'll be more open to see the various other faults this game has but I had made a blind eye because it's Mass Effect? Absolutely. But I don't want to pass everyday discussing about how the franchise was great and ME3 is a disappointment. So I play the multiplayer section. Because I have fun with it.

[johhnytrash]

I could tell you, but i"m not.

[Hyperion II]

After Pre-ordering the CE (It costs 150$ including shipment to Israel), I'd be an idiot not to fully play every aspect of the game to the death. Also Drell fu/ Headbutting mooks to death has proven to be a great stress relief.

[R Rarzy]

moater boat wrote...

R Rarzy wrote...

moater boat wrote...

R Rarzy wrote...

imo, it is quite ridiculous to call ME as a whole 'ruined' because of the ending.

EVERYONE
IS
DEAD!

Not just the SP characters, all your MP characters that you level up and get awesome weapons for are going to die too. It doesn't matter. They are all DEAD. Do you think about that when you are playing multiplayer? It really doesn't matter what happens in MP, the end result is the same.

I'm sorry, but ME is all about your own story, and at the end of my story NO ONE IS DEAD!  I don't see where you're coming from with that.

And say that is your arguement... part of life, and good storytelling, is death.  By your logic, the journey of the character is irrelevent if they die.  Does that mean that everyone's life doesn't matter because we're all going to eventually die?  Does that mean since Darth Vader dies, the entire original Star Wars trilogy is meaningless and doesn't matter?  Does that mean that Alien, and Aliens, become pointless, poor movies because all of the Colonial Marines die and Ripley dies and the end of Alien 3?  Does that mean Red Dead Redemption's story is meaningless?  The list of examples is almost infinite.   Every piece of media, whether it be games, movies, books, etc. where a character, or characters, die, does that mean the entire plot or story becomes meaningless?

Of course not.

EVERYONE is dead. If you want more details on that you will have to go to the campaign forums, I am already on thin ice so I will not discuss the story here.

You just ignored what I said and said the same thing as you did in your last post to me.  And Everyone is not dead, and that has also been covered in various other threads in the campaign forums.  And, you still ignored my entire paragraph arguing why death is not a bad thing to story-telling.  I feel this is ok to discuss as well because MP story does tie into SP story, albiet loosely.  We can leave it at that if you prefer, though.

Modifié par R Rarzy, 20 juin 2012 - 10:12 .

[curly haired boy]

bioware collects stats on all elements of the game. i think they can see the fact that i haven't touched the singleplayer since beating it for the first time expresses my opinion just fine.

also, FORRRRRRRRRR TUCHANKAAAAAA

[Omega2079]

I use the forums to tell Bioware I'm not happy with the sp ending.

The reporting system shows MP is played a lot, while the SP is not touched.

[Jos Hendriks]

I play multiplayer because I enjoy the cooperative nature of it a lot, and pretty much all the people I end up playing with (either on my private account or the official developer one) are cool and just want to have a good time.

That, and it doesn't hurt being decent at the game I work on, and occasionally people will say things that they would like to see or that they have problems with in levels, which is always good to know about.

[Reddemon159]

I play it cause it's the only best Co-Op based multiplayer out there. Games like COD or BF3 have been ransacked by tryhard elitists who must have every one play their way. I can't even play a hardcore game and snipe everything from across the map with out be TK for not playing the game their way. So yeah there is my opinion.