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[A Wild Snorlax]

Geist.H wrote...

The fact that Bioware decided to adopt Godless ideas should be enough to end this pointless argument. Infiltrators were dominating the game to an unacceptable level, Bioware took action, the incriminated ability got slightly nerfed: Good players will adapt, FOTM losers will whine and ragequit/reroll next FOTM.

It's how it always goes.

PS: Prime still dies in 1 and a half Hurricane clip, just need rank IV gear.

The easy availiability of rank 4 gear is a major buff for all classes, and pretty much makes up for the lost damage on infiltrators too. I almost never had warp or ap ammo 3 availiable, now I can get rank 4 ammo easily.

[Holy-Hamster]

 Love the changes, thanks GP for all your suggestions.  Keep up the good work
As for Drummernate.....

[Drummernate]

GodlessPaladin wrote...

Drummernate wrote...
That was an extremely stupid thing to say. So it deserves to be in my sig.

No, extremely stupid things to say are things like "The Carnifex is arguably one of the most inaccurate guns in the game" or bragging about how you're right about the Hurricane because you have a 15,000 word essay about Battlefield 3 (and your BF3 essay you linked wasn't actually even close to 15,000 words) or criticizing people for being "too logical" or claiming that people "stole" your builds even if they're not at all similar (in fact speccing fully into an ability tree you put zero points into, which is about as different as ME3 builds get) or saying that casters just got a huge buff to almost every gun in the game when not a single gun got a minimum weight decrease and only 6 guns got changed (half of which had and still have a weight of 2.0 or more), and that that somehow makes the game "easy mode" for non-Infiltrators.  Those are all examples of stupid things to say, Nate.

Whereas my comment was simply a tongue-in-cheek question based on your own comments about your enthusiasm for the Geth as well as my experience playing with you.

Another uninformed post from GodlessPaladin...

The Carnifex is one of the most inaccurate PISTOLS in the game.
The Phalanx, and Arc Pistol are much more accurate.
Especially while moving.
I bet you never checked the game files about it, or even tested it in game right?

I was right about the Hurricane because, well, I was right.

The only reason I linked to my guide is because you act as though I am some moron who doesn't know how to play the game, or type intelligent responses on forums.

The Engineer guide (Not an essay) for Battlefield: PLAY4FREE (Get it right for once) WAS over 15,000 words.
It was only 5,800 or so at the time you saw it, but I had to do major edits to it over the course of well over a year and 3 months. (Since I was in the Closed Beta and they did huge balance changes every week or so) Often changing or adding 2,500 words at a time. In fact I had removed a whole section on vehicles which was about 1,300 words long just weeks before I linked it since they had changed some features and the info was old.

I never said you were being "Too logical" I said you throw the word logic around like it means you win without actually saying anything intelligent.

When all you do is look for what other people do wrong and link to stuff in the past without typing anything productive yourself, you don't win arguments.

Well, now that you are done with your false accusations and misquotes...

Maybe you can actually type something new?

Your comment about me only playing Infiltrator was more of a "Foot-in-mouth" statement to try and make me look less credible on anything non-Infiltrator. It backfired.

Maybe you would actually know how I play if I thought you were a nice person. I unfriended you after you kept saying that we all were lying about not having any rockets... when you had no info to support your claim.
I realized after the first match that someone who accuses you of lying in the first hour of knowing you isn't the kind of person I want to be associated with.

Modifié par Drummernate, 27 juin 2012 - 12:15 .

[Edalborez]

Drummernate wrote...

a bunch of words

If you're going to start something in a topic where the majority opinion is against you (surprise, it is), it helps if you give some decent reasoning and an alternative. For example, this:

Drummernate wrote...

Wow... if Bioware listens to all these suggestions this game will be completely ruined beyond repair.

Just like 3 or 4 of these have been implemented and the game feels totally crap now.

 
...is akin to saying "It's broken, fix it" in a troubleshooting report.It's not productive or useful information. It's just saying "nuh-uh". Your brandishing of your "victory" in sig form is also not very professional, though I doubt you will claim to be so.

"Feels like crap" is not a quantitative value.

Modifié par Edalborez, 27 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Drummernate wrote...

The Carnifex is one of the most inaccurate PISTOLS in the game.
The Phalanx, and Arc Pistol are much more accurate.
Especially while moving.
I bet you never checked the game files about it, or even tested it in game right?

  First off, you didn't say pistols.  You said guns.  But even if you did say pistols, you would still be wrong.  I actually have done the testing and I actually have gone through the game files.  The Arc Pistol has a pretty large spread when rapid fired compared to the Carnifex.   According to Grimy's data, Arc Pistol has an effective aim penalty of 274.18 and effective Z penalty of 24.56, the Phalanx has an effective aim penalty of 159.2 and effective Z penalty of 24.56, the Carnifex has an effective aim penalty of 0.0 and effective Z penalty of 0.8.  The Carnifex also has a higher max Z range, max auto range, and max zoom range than the Arc Pistol.  This is corroborated by my in-game testing, which shows the Carnifex to have a considerably smaller bullet spread than the Arc Pistol when emptying a clip into a wall at a reasonable ROF.

You also said the M-99 Saber was one of the most inaccurate guns too.  Or maybe you'd like to retcon that to most inaccurate assault rifles... and you'd still be wrong.

The Engineer guide (Not an essay) for Battlefield: PLAY4FREE (Get it right for once) WAS over 15,000 words.
It WAS only 5,800 or so at the time YOU saw it

Only you wouldn't see the problem in this statement.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 27 juin 2012 - 05:47 .

[Shampoohorn]

Arundel Vandraman wrote...

Good work, GP. Your ideas were largely implemented. A lot of the infis seem to be missing that sniper rifles being lighter will mean shorter cool downs between invisibility sessions, which is a little bit of sweetness to counter the changes to TC base duration. Overall, very nice.

I do hope they patch up some of the non-functioning talents and evolutions next, though. A thread from GP, devoted to that, perhaps?

^^^^^^  Agreed.

I'm looking forward to playing with my Infi friends this week.  It will be interesting to see whether they adapt or adept :happy: to the changes.

Modifié par Shampoohorn, 27 juin 2012 - 04:58 .

[Ektogamut]

Trolling aside, people should note that Bioware does respond/address/incorporate informed feedback from fans. This is a good thing.

[The Waffle Cat]

geth only for that time indicates you play mostly gi I assume as i see the arrogance in your bio with :

"geth on my level"

Which basically idicates you play pure for bragging rights with points and it gives me the feeling id i would play with an overconfident bragging teenager

Sorry drummernate, jokes on you here.

OT : tc nerf disnt change that much, tc is still one of the best powers only they made it harder for 1234 objectives which imo is fine as it encourages teampplay

Modifié par The Waffle Cat, 27 juin 2012 - 05:16 .

[Metal Vile]

Arundel Vandraman wrote...

Good work, GP. Your ideas were largely implemented. A lot of the infis seem to be missing that sniper rifles being lighter will mean shorter cool downs between invisibility sessions, which is a little bit of sweetness to counter the changes to TC base duration. Overall, very nice.

I do hope they patch up some of the non-functioning talents and evolutions next, though. A thread from GP, devoted to that, perhaps?

Actually, they were only about 70% implemented.

Did they nerf TC's duration (quite a bit) and damage (little bit)?  Yes

Did they reduce maximum weight on some UR's to make using them at low level more attractive?  Yes

Did they buff Sniper Rifles' damage to compensate Infiltrator's Rank 6 nerf, while simultaneously making them more attractive to other classes?  NO.

That last one was kind of important to the whole scheme of it;  unlinking SR balance from Tactical Cloak allows for Sniper Rifles to be more fairly balanced for EVERYONE (in which case they could actually use a general buff).  They failed in the sense that they did not follow through with the second half of the envisioned balancing, which was buffing most of the SR's to compensate Infils for some of the damage lost, while boosting Sniper efficiency for everyone else.

[GodlessPaladin]

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Pretty much sums it up.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 27 juin 2012 - 05:33 .

[capn233]

Metal Vile wrote...

That last one was kind of important to the whole scheme of it;  unlinking SR balance from Tactical Cloak allows for Sniper Rifles to be more fairly balanced for EVERYONE (in which case they could actually use a general buff).  They failed in the sense that they did not follow through with the second half of the envisioned balancing, which was buffing most of the SR's to compensate Infils for some of the damage lost, while boosting Sniper efficiency for everyone else.

Bioware would rather every character in the game run with Carnifex or Paladin

[GodlessPaladin]

capn233 wrote...

Metal Vile wrote...

That last one was kind of important to the whole scheme of it;  unlinking SR balance from Tactical Cloak allows for Sniper Rifles to be more fairly balanced for EVERYONE (in which case they could actually use a general buff).  They failed in the sense that they did not follow through with the second half of the envisioned balancing, which was buffing most of the SR's to compensate Infils for some of the damage lost, while boosting Sniper efficiency for everyone else.

Bioware would rather every character in the game run with Carnifex or Paladin

To be fair, Eric Fagnan has said in another thread created by another poster asking about SR damage buffs that they "don't like to make too many related changes at once" and like to "see how they play out" first.  We may well see some sniper rifle changes next week.

[Drummernate]

The Waffle Cat wrote...



geth only for that time indicates you play mostly gi I assume as i see the arrogance in your bio with :

"geth on my level"

Which basically idicates you play pure for bragging rights with points and it gives me the feeling id i would play with an overconfident bragging teenager

Sorry drummernate, jokes on you here.

I play as only the Geth in public games when all classes are level 20.
I will only play as other classes in private matches or to test balance changes.
Basically 80-95% of the time I am playing as Geth.

If I am leveling up I will play as the Turian Soldier, Krogan Sentinel, Human Vanguard, and Cerberus Adept.

"Geth on my level" came about from a D-bag I knew from a while back on Aliens Vs Predator bragging he could outscore me as the Geth Infiltrator when I was playing my Geth Engineer and he was shouting at me to "Get on his level" so I beat him using a Geth Pulse Rifle and at the end of the match I started retorting with "Geth on my level"

It's a personal meme, deal with it.

I play for outscoring anybody like you who thinks that people who like coming in first are jerks.
Confident? Yeah. Overconfident? No.
Teenager? 17 and 1/2 so kinda.
Bragging? Nope. I state the truth. Truth hurts. Leaderboards (Usually) don't lie.

I saw no joke there...

The fact that you looked up my profile made my day.

If you really want I can change it back to my old profile... the one that tells all the games I am max rank on and the three that I was in the top 10 of the world... but that would just be being a bragging teenager right?

Shoddy photo by the way... shutter speed was way to low.

[WARMACHINE9]

First off let me say how sad I am to see a flame war going on in this really good thread. Shame on you.Stay on topic please. No cookie for you. Second I wanted to address the TC balance. While I think for the most part it was ok. I have issue with the change in duration. I don't understand why they felt it needed to be debuffed and I feel it actually hurts team play as sniper infi's are going to be less willing to leave their hidy holes to go out and revive in trouble team mates and to get the really hard 1234 objectives ie out in no mans land with every enemy on screen turning it into an abatour(sp). Plus I think the Inifs that are hit hardest by this change are the melee/shotgun ones which in some ways is too bad because it punishes outside the box thinking imo.

[Geek]

I think the 1234 objectives require more teamwork now instead of everybody sit back and let the infiltrator take care of it. Also shotgun infiltrator still very awesome.

On topic: I think we will probably see some sniper buffs in the next update after we have a chance to see how these changes play out.

[The Waffle Cat]

Drummernate wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...



geth only for that time indicates you play mostly gi I assume as i see the arrogance in your bio with :

"geth on my level"

Which basically idicates you play pure for bragging rights with points and it gives me the feeling id i would play with an overconfident bragging teenager

Sorry drummernate, jokes on you here.

I play as only the Geth in public games when all classes are level 20.
I will only play as other classes in private matches or to test balance changes.
Basically 80-95% of the time I am playing as Geth.

If I am leveling up I will play as the Turian Soldier, Krogan Sentinel, Human Vanguard, and Cerberus Adept.

"Geth on my level" came about from a D-bag I knew from a while back on Aliens Vs Predator bragging he could outscore me as the Geth Infiltrator when I was playing my Geth Engineer and he was shouting at me to "Get on his level" so I beat him using a Geth Pulse Rifle and at the end of the match I started retorting with "Geth on my level"

It's a personal meme, deal with it.

I play for outscoring anybody like you who thinks that people who like coming in first are jerks.
Confident? Yeah. Overconfident? No.
Teenager? 17 and 1/2 so kinda.
Bragging? Nope. I state the truth. Truth hurts. Leaderboards (Usually) don't lie.

I saw no joke there...

The fact that you looked up my profile made my day.

If you really want I can change it back to my old profile... the one that tells all the games I am max rank on and the three that I was in the top 10 of the world... but that would just be being a bragging teenager right?

Shoddy photo by the way... shutter speed was way to low.

Yet you aren't better than me. Ask any of te people ive played with and check my solo or my speedruns or ask arelex heck even ask godless, you're not good your bf3 stuff says nothin. I was first in my country as 10th prestige in mw3 and i was 1st in kills and 4th of the world with smg headshots yet i am no where near a 4kd which the real pros have (2.5 atm)



Leaderboards lie son, and you're a kid so you wouldnt understand.

[WARMACHINE9]

rymoulton wrote...

I think the 1234 objectives require more teamwork now instead of everybody sit back and let the infiltrator take care of it. Also shotgun infiltrator still very awesome.

On topic: I think we will probably see some sniper buffs in the next update after we have a chance to see how these changes play out.

Team work doesn't figure into it if no one can get to the objective due to the massive amount of fire  power being
poured into that position. Dagger is a good example of 1234 placement that can make it ridiculously hard  to get to AND stay alive long enough to complete the objective. Imo the debuff is counter productive to team work and will make already hard missions impossible even with squad help. I don't play a shotgun infiltrator so you may be right. I'm just going off what I've heard from other people which of course can be misleading.

[Drummernate]

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Yet you aren't better than me. Ask any of te people ive played with and check my solo or my speedruns or ask arelex heck even ask godless, you're not good your bf3 stuff says nothin. I was first in my country as 10th prestige in mw3 and i was 1st in kills and 4th of the world with smg headshots yet i am no where near a 4kd which the real pros have (2.5 atm)



Leaderboards lie son, and you're a kid so you wouldnt understand.

I have quite a few witnesses as well... including the #1 person on the Mass Effect 3 leaderboards.

My BF3 stats are wrong. I reset my stats the other day on accident and then decided to goof off all day on a buggy racing server causing low SPM.

I am 15th prestige in Black Ops... who cares? I am max rank on almost all of my games.

I have a 7.98 K/D in Gears of War 3 and was 3rd in the world for a while.

I said leaderboards USUALLY don't lie. People boost and hack to get to the top sometimes, but generally the top 100-500 are legit. The top 2 on Gears 3 were modding to get there at the time... seeing as they had times of 0:00 on Beast Mode and Horde.

I have been going to college since I was 15... so I am pretty sure I can understand pretty much everything you say.

Modifié par Drummernate, 27 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[WARMACHINE9]

Drummernate wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Yet you aren't better than me. Ask any of te people ive played with and check my solo or my speedruns or ask arelex heck even ask godless, you're not good your bf3 stuff says nothin. I was first in my country as 10th prestige in mw3 and i was 1st in kills and 4th of the world with smg headshots yet i am no where near a 4kd which the real pros have (2.5 atm)



Leaderboards lie son, and you're a kid so you wouldnt understand.

I have quite a few witnesses as well... including the #1 person on the Mass Effect 3 leaderboards.

My BF3 stats are wrong. I reset my stats the other day on accident and then decided to goof off all day on a buggy racing server causing low SPM.

I am 15th prestige in Black Ops... who cares? I am max rank on almost all of my games.

I have a 7.98 K/D in Gears of War 3 and was 3rd in the world for a while.

I said leaderboards USUALLY don't lie. People boost and hack to get to the top sometimes, but generally the top 100-500 are legit.

I have been going to college since I was 15... so I am pretty sure I can understand pretty much everything you say.

STOP ALL OF YOU STOP. This thread was made to avoid such stupidity. You guys want to flame war do it somewhere else. You can go measure your e-peens elsewhere. The rest of us are trying to have discussions LIKE ADULTS. So either get over yourselves and get on with what this thread is about OR GET OUT. Please.

[The Waffle Cat]

Drummernate wrote...

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Yet you aren't better than me. Ask any of te people ive played with and check my solo or my speedruns or ask arelex heck even ask godless, you're not good your bf3 stuff says nothin. I was first in my country as 10th prestige in mw3 and i was 1st in kills and 4th of the world with smg headshots yet i am no where near a 4kd which the real pros have (2.5 atm)



Leaderboards lie son, and you're a kid so you wouldnt understand.

I have quite a few witnesses as well... including the #1 person on the Mass Effect 3 leaderboards.

My BF3 stats are wrong. I reset my stats the other day on accident and then decided to goof off all day on a buggy racing server causing low SPM.

I am 15th prestige in Black Ops... who cares?

I have a 7.98 K/D in Gears of War 3 and was 3rd in the world for a while.

I said leaderboards USUALLY don't lie. People boost and hack to get to the top sometimes, but generally the top 100-500 are legit.

I have been going to college since I was 15... so I am pretty sure I can understand pretty much everything you say.

Nr 1 in me3 leader oards? Shadrach who i played with who had 12k( yes 12000 ) points while i and friends had 120(me) and the rest 110 90k and a time of 13 minutes? 
Hes bad, what is your point with him saying you're good?
GoW kd? Isnt that the game where people use a shotgun which 1 shots every thing? And where power weapons are more op than in halo? As well bf3= vehicle = high kd especially on harbor or asas12 = high kd and leaderboards
I went to college at 16 yet im 8 years older now and i learned life lessonswhih you cant have learned yet considering you're not even legally allowed to drink nor marry nor do anything heck in my country you wouldnt even be allowed to drive yet.
Lessons of life come with age and cant be taught with the usage of books.

Modifié par The Waffle Cat, 27 juin 2012 - 06:56 .

[Fortack]

Isn't this topic about discussing balance changes to improve the game?

Please go somewhere else if you're interested in boasting your divine skilz. Thank you.

[Spiffspoo]

Can we get back to posting relevant information, instead of having Nate instigate useless posts.

I posted information about the inferno grenade in the group threads, I don't know if a fix for it can be done with ini files so I put it there.

[WARMACHINE9]

Spiffspoo wrote...

Can we get back to posting relevant information, instead of having Nate instigate useless posts.

I posted information about the inferno grenade in the group threads, I don't know if a fix for it can be done with ini files so I put it there.

Is there an easy way to get to the group as I don't feel like going through 50 pages of other groups to join. Maybe a link please

[Chealec]

I would just like to say - Tactical Cloak changes - *fistbump* - nice work; these actually play out really well IMO

[Drummernate]

The Waffle Cat wrote...

Nr 1 in me3 leader oards? Shadrach who i playe with who had 12k points while i and friends had 120(me) and the rest 110 90k and a time of 13 minutes?

GoW kd? Isnt that the game where peopluse a shotgun which 1 shots every thing? And where power weapons are more op than in halo? As well bf3= vehicle = high kd especially on harbor or asas12 = high kd and leader oards

I webt to college at 16 yet im 8 years older now and i learned lide lessins whih you cant have learned yet considering you're not even legally allowed to drink nor marry nor do anything heck in my country you wouldnt even be allowed to drive yet.

Lessins of life come with age and cant be taught with the usal of books.

He is not good so i dont know wht you're trying to prove.

Savage Renegade was #1 for a while and he is actually good.

Yes the shotgun 1 shots stuff in Gears of War, but I used the Lancer because it has a badass chainsaw on it.
The power weapons are not really powerful other than the Frag Grenades and Boomshot, but Ink Grenades are cheap too. Nothing compared to the Halo "Spanker" though.

Only like 13.5% of my kills are with vehicles in Battlefield 3. What about chopper gunners and stuff in CoD that can get you 60 kills per use in like 3 minutes and are auto-pilot? Those are not cheap? The USAS was nerfed to crap ages ago by the way.