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Thomas Abram wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...

That said, I'm not arguing that they didn't deserve a ban. That's not my point. My point was made clear in my earlier post where I quoted the board meeting, which was that Bioware would rather ban players than fix the game. It was released months ago, it's still broken, and now they're making an already-shrinking community smaller.

You're talking about two seperate divisions here. If we were to ban 0 people patches wouldn't come out any quicker. If we were to ban 1,000,000 people patches wouldn't come out any slower.

He told you!  :devil::devil::bandit::police::sick:

[Yosuke]

Cheaters are getting banned... don't see the problem here. There are still a good number of non-cheaters playing, and like someone else said, with the price drops there will be some more coming in.

[Raging Nug]

masseffect420 wrote...
He told you! 

And I told him back, and then he didn't answer. So yeah, I feel 'totally' demoralized here. Everything I've said has been refutted in that one short response. I sure got the Abram Smash, alright. Yup.

:\\

[Koenig888]

Ban the cheaters! I rather have a community that is slightly smaller but with less cheats.

[Koenig888]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

It doesn't matter. Bioware's efforts are honorable but futile. Unless they release a perfect patch that fixes every single bug there will ALWAYS be 'cheaters' and 'exploiters'. I'm always one for a bit of drama and chaos. Human beings are such fascinating animals.

I like it that way.

You sound like a sociopath. Perhaps you should seek professional help before you go all Hannibal Lecter on someone.

or he could be well read ......

Quote: "Civilization (which is part of the circle of his imaginings) has spread
a veneer over the surface of the softshelled animal known as man. It is
a very thin veneer; but so wonderfully is man constituted that he
squirms on his bit of achievement and believes he is garbed in
armor-plate.

Yet man to-day is the same man that drank from his enemy's skull in the
dark German forests, that sacked cities, and stole his women from
neighboring clans like any howling aborigine. The flesh-and-blood body
of man has not changed in the last several thousand years. Nor has his
mind changed. There is no faculty of the mind of man to-day that did
not exist in the minds of the men of long ago
It is the same old animal man, smeared over, it is true, with a veneer,
thin and magical, that makes him dream drunken dreams of self-exaltation
and to sneer at the flesh and the blood of him beneath the smear. The
raw animal crouching within him is like the earthquake monster pent in
the crust of the earth. As he persuades himself against the latter till
it arouses and shakes down a city, so does he persuade himself against
the former until it shakes him out of his dreaming and he stands
undisguised, a brute like any other brute."

Modifié par Koenig888, 20 juin 2012 - 01:56 .

[ghey it up]

Oh, this thread again.

I can see the appeal for this...especially seeing as I only unlock an ultra rare every two weeks or so, longer now that I have less encouragement to play

[RGFrog]

N Malboeuf wrote...

other stuff...

Even if some one dropped $500 on PSP (I dropped $200 in 3-4 months no biggie) and used thier PSP properly they could still not hit 20k

now the guys with 8-15k
they have no lives lol

I have to disagree. If all you did was play all day long and then buy sp or psp's right after promo you could easily reach this goal. 2mil creds in what was usual until a couple of weeks ago would net you almost entirely character cards. You could easily get from 0 to 20 on all classes in a day that way and that's all N7 is based on.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Yet again it seems as though there is a subsection here that is slamming BioWare for banning cheaters. Which, frankly, leads to the obvious question.

The simple fact of the matter is, cheaters know what they're doing. They know it's wrong. They know they're breaking the rules and risk getting banned for doing so. They do it anyway.

The simple answer is: **** them. They deserve everything they bring on themselves, and if they're gone then the community is simply better for it.

If you want to scream at BioWare for the ending, or for the EMS mess, or for the patches, or for sleeping with your mom, or for running over your dog, or for never paying you back that $3 you lent them for a bottle of water... fine. I, personally, will disagree with you, but fine.

If you want to scream at BioWare for banning cheaters, you need to step back and take a long hard look at yourself and the fact that you're basically announcing to the world that you love cheating. Frankly, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some of the "Don't ban cheaters, it hurts the community!" folks being some of the biggest cheaters out there.

[gilgamesh v9]

im glad they banned them

[Siran]

death_for_sale wrote...

Master Xanthan wrote...

Siran wrote...

Strange that there still is someone with N7 20,5k on the top PC Leaderboard who was there from one day to the other. If he didn't cheat, then he must have sunk incredible amounts of money into buying Packs...

It could happen. The person might have just used one character class and ONLY that character class and never promoted. 

Top on PC is now 14.4k, They cleared about 18 from the top of the Leaderboard because yesterday I was at 113 ww and now I am at 95.

Yeah, seems they got to him after all. At the time I wrote my last post, the 20,5k guy was still there. Made a jump to top 20 worldwide now

[snackrat]

It's no wonder that ME3 MP is dying off if people are getting constantly perma-banned. Can't they just start with a warning, and - if it continues - take away all their credits, and/or maybe their URs, or some other punishment that severe enough to smart but doesn't actually cut down on players? Permanently make them lose 10% less credits per match maybe, and the more they offend, add another. Save perma-bans for game-breakers.

We should be getting them to play nice so the rest of us can still MP... rather than just taking the easy way out and hitting them with the Naughty Stick.

EDIT: I will admit that playing a match with someone who fires infinite missles, or who can never die, is no fun. So THAT deserves some serious repurcussions.
And someone who gets a 1,000,000c  a match gets what is coming to them... though a permanent ban isn't necessary, because they are affecting themselves, not other players (beyond the whole 'having better weapons' thing, which anyone can get given enough time).
But people modifying their N7... that gets them NOTHING! At all! (Except, I suppose, a ranking on a list somewhere I personally never look at) So why don't you just slap them with aa "Whoops we took all your promo N7 weapons, oh and now your N7 has been reset" and call it a day.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 20 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[ZombieGambit]

Banning your customers from playing your game when their cheating isn't doing anything to hurt other players is ridiculous. Who cares if some players glitch to be able to buy weapons packs? The only difference between them and myself is the amount of time spent acquiring those credits, so why ban them?

[Big Yeti Cane]

Silly question:
How many more bans will it take before bioware bans their entire customer base?
One...two...three. Three.

Lol, just saying. I doubt most of these players are anything else but bored with multiplayer already.

[Siran]

I can't believe ppl are actively defending those who cheat!

Of course, cheating hurts others! If cheaters get their way, than have fun joining every match, where there's the infinite missile glitch exploited or someone hacking the ini-file to let your avenger insta-kill banshees - great challenge! "Oh, you wanted to play till extraction, bad luck, we're doing the wave 10 glitch.." If cheating is not punished, then it will grow like cancer.

I'm pretty sure, Bioware won't ban their whole customer base, since contrary to some beliefs, MP still is fun and played honestly by the majority of players, especially with the new characters and gear. Plus on some platforms like PS3 cheating is almost impossible (dunno if the missile glitch works there or not) and not as "easy" as on PC for instance. If Bioware keeps the pace of the great DLCs we get (for free!) I can certainly see myself playing MP for a long time to come. I've made several friends while playing MP and all of them are still having fun playing it. Cheaters would destroy that fun. To even think of cheating in a co-op game is beyond me to be honest.

[joker_jack]

FlamboyantRoy wrote...

It doesn't matter. Bioware's efforts are honorable but futile. Unless they release a perfect patch that fixes every single bug there will ALWAYS be 'cheaters' and 'exploiters'. I'm always one for a bit of drama and chaos. Human beings are such fascinating animals.

I like it that way.

Until it happens to you. Then it isn't fun anymore.

[Raging Nug]

Siran wrote...
Of course, cheating hurts others! If cheaters get their way, than have fun joining every match, where there's the infinite missile glitch exploited or someone hacking the ini-file to let your avenger insta-kill banshees - great challenge! "Oh, you wanted to play till extraction, bad luck, we're doing the wave 10 glitch.." If cheating is not punished, then it will grow like cancer.

... because it's not as if Bioware will eventually fix their game, right?
I lost interest in the game itself a while ago - haven't played, and don't feel bothered enough to farm credits. I'll only play now if my girlfriend wants to play, but to be honest, we're doing Fable II at the moment, so ME3 seems unlikely.

I'm pretty sure, Bioware won't ban their whole customer base, since contrary to some beliefs, MP still is fun and played honestly by the majority of players, especially with the new characters and gear. Plus on some platforms like PS3 cheating is almost impossible (dunno if the missile glitch works there or not) and not as "easy" as on PC for instance. If Bioware keeps the pace of the great DLCs we get (for free!) I can certainly see myself playing MP for a long time to come. I've made several friends while playing MP and all of them are still having fun playing it. Cheaters would destroy that fun. To even think of cheating in a co-op game is beyond me to be honest.

Don't you think the simple fact that it's beyond your understanding kind of negates your own ability to speak on the issue? Here, I can illuminate.
People farm credits in response to the RNG system - some people don't like waiting around to unlock gear/character cards, so they get as many credits as they can as quickly as they can. Some turn to using exploits, but the goal is the same - get credits. That said, when they've got all they want then they may still want to play. Once the incentive to earn credits wears off, they'd either simply stop playing or play the game the way it's meant to be played. We wouldn't have lobbies upon lobbies of people using the credit glitch or the rocket glitch, we'd have people with the gear they want enjoying the game the way they'd want to.

But honestly, this is about as likely as your scenario. Realistically, chances are we'd end up with something in the middle. Some would continue to exploit, others wouldn't. Best solution is probably to just fix the game in the first place rather than punish people for playing with a defective toy in a way it's not meant to be played.

[Siran]

Raging Nug wrote...

Siran wrote...
Of course, cheating hurts others! If cheaters get their way, than have fun joining every match, where there's the infinite missile glitch exploited or someone hacking the ini-file to let your avenger insta-kill banshees - great challenge! "Oh, you wanted to play till extraction, bad luck, we're doing the wave 10 glitch.." If cheating is not punished, then it will grow like cancer.

... because it's not as if Bioware will eventually fix their game, right?

What does this have to do with anything? There are cheaters in every MP game out there. There is just no way to get every exploit, be it due to fundamental game mechanics or having to rewrite half the code (and introduce new ways of exploiting). It's not a perfect world, where everything can be made 100% right.

Don't you think the simple fact that it's beyond your understanding kind of negates your own ability to speak on the issue? Here, I can illuminate.
People farm credits in response to the RNG system - some people don't like waiting around to unlock gear/character cards, so they get as many credits as they can as quickly as they can. Some turn to using exploits, but the goal is the same - get credits.

The goal maybe the same, the means definitely not, which is what you fail to understand. People want to farm credits by playing the same (easy map) over and over - fine, let them it's part of the game (farming is part of pretty much every game that depends on items - ever heard of Diablo III?). It's their experience they're ruining. Glitches and exploits are not part of the game (as it was intended and meant to be played) and the ones using them are ruining it for the rest of the honest players

We wouldn't have lobbies upon lobbies of people using the credit glitch or the rocket glitch, we'd have people with the gear they want enjoying the game the way they'd want to.

You honestly believe that? Once a cheater, always a cheater. The rocket glitchers would never know how to play properly, even with their new toys and loose interest anyhow. And the credit glitchers - you'll always need consumables, so why not do another credit glitch run. And if they tried they'd pretty much fail and loose interest anyway. Plus, there'll be the ones that have everything maxed, but there will always be those who haven't and exploit it - if it's not punished this will never end.

But honestly, this is about as likely as your scenario. Realistically, chances are we'd end up with something in the middle. Some would continue to exploit, others wouldn't. Best solution is probably to just fix the game in the first place rather than punish people for playing with a defective toy in a way it's not meant to be played.

As I said, I'm afraid it will never be possible to make any game 100% cheat and exploit-free. There'll always be someone who finds a way to exploit or cheat.

Modifié par Siran, 20 juin 2012 - 07:32 .

[Astartes Marine]

Raging Nug wrote...
Some turn to using exploits, but the goal is the same - get credits.

The goal is irrelevant.  How they obtain those credits, by abusing an exploit that is considered cheating, should be punished.  This is not debatable.

Raging Nug wrote...
Best solution is probably to just fix the game in the
first place rather than punish people for playing with a defective toy
in a way it's not meant to be played.

Good thing you're not on the dev team then.  They're working on both solutions: finding/fixing exploits WHILE banning the scum that cheat. 

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 20 juin 2012 - 07:33 .

[Raging Nug]

Siran wrote...
What does this have to do with anything? There are cheaters in every MP game out there. There is just no way to get every exploit, be it due to fundamental game mechanics or having to rewrite half the code (and introduce new ways of exploiting). It's not a perfect world, where everything can be made 100% right.

Not everything, but the major exploits that are apparently worth banning people over? Yeah, it would be nice if they could fix those.

The goal maybe the same, the means definitely not, which is what you fail to understand.

I understand perfectly fine. I just don't give a damn. Live and let live.

People want to farm credits by playing the same (easy map) over and over - fine, let them it's part of the game (farming is part of pretty much every game that depends on items - ever heard of Diablo III?).

Only in a randomized reward system. Otherwise the need for farming decreases as people unlock the things they actually want.

Once a cheater, always a cheater. The rocket glitchers would never know how to play properly, even with their new toys and loose interest anyhow. And the credit glitchers - you'll always need consumables, so why not do another credit glitch run. And if they tried they'd pretty much fail and loose interest anyway. Plus, there'll be the ones that have everything maxed, but there will always be those who haven't and exploit it - if it's not punished this will never end. 

Because cheaters always cheat, always, and never play for fun. :\\
If people lose interest, they lose interest. Maybe new content comes out and they come back. If people are banned, they're a lot less likely to come back

I'm afraid it will never be possible to make any game 100% cheat and exploit-free. There'll always be someone who finds a way to exploit or cheat.

The original Pac-man and Donkey Kong disagree.
Unless there are exploits for those games I'm unaware of. I don't think there are though.

[Raging Nug]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Raging Nug wrote...
Some turn to using exploits, but the goal is the same - get credits.

The goal is irrelevant.  How they obtain those credits, by abusing an exploit that is considered cheating, should be punished.  This is not debatable.

Sure it is. Here I am, debating it. Doing a decent job too, I think.
What I'm debating isn't that they should be punished, but rather how and why. Banning people is a knee-jerk reaction. A probational sentence or reduced credit gain or some other thing might be more interesting like rewarding people who haven't cheated, but that would be good customer relations, and it's not like we're talking about Valve here.

Good thing you're not on the dev team then.  They're working on both solutions: finding/fixing exploits WHILE banning the scum that cheat.

Oo, scum. Yeah, because someone else having more credits than you detracts from your gaming experience. :\\
I understand that the matches themselves wouldn't be very interesting, but I don't take issue with people doing it in their own private lobbies. Bear in mind that BW also put the Zombie Mod on their "Do Not Play" list, private lobby or not, credit gain or not, so they're not exactly working with us here for our gaming experience - they're looking to make money from it and profit from it.

"Every company does that - that's the point of being a company!" I hear people answering.
Again, Valve. Portal 2 Free DLC and map editor.

Good night and good weekend everyone.

[Father_Jerusalem]

My heart bleeds for the cheating pieces of trash. Really.

Stop blaming BioWare for banning them. It's THEIR FAULT. And ONLY their fault. They broke the rules - knowingly. They cheated - knowingly. They got caught. So screw em.

Oh, and Pac-Man is COMPLETELY exploitable. The ghosts use a pattern in how they move, and if you know the pattern, you can find safe spots in the maze where they will never path to and be completely and utterly safe.

So no, no game is 100% exploit-free and your demands that BioWare make a 100% exploit free game instead of banning the scumbags who use exploits is completely and utterly asinine.