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[Raging Nug]

Feauce wrote...
If you've lost interest in the game, why are you here standing up for cheaters? Why do you still visit the forums? You've willingly removed yourself (possibly temporarily, possibly not; makes no difference) from the multiplayer community, so what right do you have to argue who BioWare allows to be a part of it?

Like I said pages and pages back, my issue is with the system and the people condemning complete strangers while white-knighting the knee-jerk reaction bans.
I check back to see if anything interesting happens - new content, events, and then these bans started. It's interesting to talk about, don't you think?

People rob banks in response to the skewed economic/social structure. They don't like waiting around for a good job, an education, or HARD WORK to get them what they want, so they go after as much money as they can as quickly as they can. Of course, some people don't do this, but bank robbers are just fine, right? Their goal is the same as everyone else - to get money and live a comfortable life.

That would be an accurate metaphor if there were an in-game economy, or if someone else having more or less credits than you had 'any' impact on you. But there isn't, and it doesn't.

So alright, I'm in a generous mood, let's grant the notion for a moment that we should not ban these people permanently; let's just ban them for a year. Do you think they'll come back? You said yourself, why would a person come back to a game that kicked them out? Given that, what's the functional difference between them not coming back to the game and getting a permanent ban for stealing from it? In both cases they're still 100% gone from the community.

And so the community continues to shrink. Time to bust out the nametags and get to know one another. 'Sup? My name's Michael.

[Raging Nug]

Siran wrote...
I don't care if they have more credits than me provided they earned them.

How is that different from what I said? How does how they earned their credits impact you in the slightest?

This is what I'm on about - people being outraged for something which ultimately shouldn't matter to them.

I want to play a game that's the same for everyone. I want to play a game where I don't have to ask myself if the host has done something to his ini-file after joining each random lobby. I want to see the progress I've made (be it playstyle-wise or equipment-wise) compared to others (yes, even in a co-op game there can be some competition). This is all not possible if cheating does not get punished and spreads. 

But that's a two-way street - no modification also means no creativity. The Zombie Mod is a bannable offense, despite removing the incentive for credits. It looked like a fun gametype, but I don't know if anyone will ever be able to play it again.

I understand that rampant cheating would be a problem, but what I don't understand is how anyone can think that simply removing players is an acceptable solution compared to fixing the game, putting people on a probation period, or simply rewarding the people who don't cheat while removing the credits of the people who did (Valve).

[John123453242]

LOL

This guy is still defending cheaters? Has an admin checked him out yet? The guy defending cheating will have his obvious motives for doing so.

These are a knee-jerk reaction? It seems to me that they took their time and investigated the cheaters. Why do you think it took so long to ban them? If you can find people who were banned without cheating, maybe you would have a point.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug, what else do we need to know about these people outside of they cheat/exploit in the game? For me that's enough to know I don't want to play with them. I'm not talking about the person who tried it once or accidentally stumbled on to it but didn't do it after that. Knee-jerk reaction banning, really? That would be an instant ban for anyone accused of wrong doing, instead they investigate the people reported, that isn't knee-jerk. As I and other people have been saying for pages and pages, it's better to play with a smaller community of honest players than a larger communtiy with dishonest players.

[Raging Nug]

Malditor wrote...

Knee-jerk reaction banning, really? That would be an instant ban for anyone accused of wrong doing, instead they investigate the people reported, that isn't knee-jerk. As I and other people have been saying for pages and pages, it's better to play with a smaller community of honest players than a larger communtiy with dishonest players.

I listed alternatives. If we disagree, we disagree, but I think keeping players might be a better strategy than simply removing them. Live and let live.

This song and dance is getting a bit much, even for me. I think I've said all I wanted to. See you next time.

[Bravenu3]

Thomas Abram wrote... You're talking about two seperate divisions here. If we were to ban 0 people patches wouldn't come out any quicker. If we were to ban 1,000,000 people patches wouldn't come out any slower.

Still leaves me wonder about the allocation of resources. For whatever reason, the "patch division" has been quieter than I would have hoped. They should be 1st priority in every aspect.

[Malditor]

Raging Nug wrote...

Malditor wrote...

Knee-jerk reaction banning, really? That would be an instant ban for anyone accused of wrong doing, instead they investigate the people reported, that isn't knee-jerk. As I and other people have been saying for pages and pages, it's better to play with a smaller community of honest players than a larger communtiy with dishonest players.

I listed alternatives. If we disagree, we disagree, but I think keeping players might be a better strategy than simply removing them. Live and let live.

This song and dance is getting a bit much, even for me. I think I've said all I wanted to. See you next time.

Play and let play is a much more apt statement for what are saying. Cheat once, ok, you can still play but lose the ill-gotten gains fair. Cheat twice, short term ban and loss of igg fair. Cheat multiple times goodbye. There is no reason to allow habitual cheating players to keep playing the game ever. Tolerence has limits, some people's/complany's limits are higher or lower than others. I'm sure more than 2000 people have glitched/exploited/cheated in this game over the past months since release. The fact that such a small number has been banned shows that Bioware only punishes the more severe or repeated abusers. I don't know how that seems out of line in any way.

[Feauce]

Raging Nug wrote...

Like I said pages and pages back, my issue is with the system and the people condemning complete strangers while white-knighting the knee-jerk reaction bans.

First, I want to say that yes, it's true, those people are strangers to me. Guess what that means? I don't owe them a damned thing. They haven't earned any consideration from me, and the only information I have is that they did what BioWare told them not to: they exploited a break in the game's code, allowing them to cheat. That doesn't garner any good will toward those people.

Second, if a store has a sign posted on its front door saying "Must be 18 years of age to enter", and someone gives a fake ID at the door, then is found out later to be underage, what do you think is going to happen? Is that a knee-jerk reaction to the person being under 18? Of course not, it's plainly posted on the door.

It's the same situation here. BioWare has plainly posted their anti-cheating policy for all to see. These people cheated, and they got what BioWare said they were going to get: banned.

[John123453242]

Cheaters have feelings too! Stop the discrimination!

[Edalborez]

If you take offense to BW's mass bannings, you should brush up on MMORPG history. There are some pretty remarkable waves of bans out there. One I know of fixed an item duplication glitch in September-ish of one year (had continued for at least a month that I know of), then mass-banned (with temporary and permanent being semi-random) the following January.

This is nothing unwarranted.

Modifié par Edalborez, 20 juin 2012 - 05:41 .

[Dookie no jutsu]

 I've had at least 2 chances/offers to use this credit glitch and I'm so glad I left the lobby. I don't play much anymore but I would hate to receive a ban just for some imaginary credits.

[Kamfrenchie]

Do they at least get a warning before a ban ?

In some games, some exploits are authorized.

Someone cheating in competitive games ought to know they are damaging other player's experience.

But in a cooperative/ vs AI game it's less obvious. You don't remove anything from other players.

Not saying bans shouldn't happen, but some post feel like the cheaters are just horrible people, which they aren't necessarily.

[Malditor]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Do they at least get a warning before a ban ?

In some games, some exploits are authorized.

Someone cheating in competitive games ought to know they are damaging other player's experience.

But in a cooperative/ vs AI game it's less obvious. You don't remove anything from other players.

Not saying bans shouldn't happen, but some post feel like the cheaters are just horrible people, which they aren't necessarily.

I'm not sure people actually think cheaters are horrible people, just not people we want to play the game with. If someone can't figure out that suddenly firing rockets from their gun is unintended and a glitch they shouldn't exploit then they probably need critical thinking skills lessons. Other things that may be less obviously an exploit do fall into something that requires a warning/public notice. However on this forum Thomas Abram stated multiple times in threads about this glitch that is its considered a bannable offense, so that warning has been issued in this case as well.

Modifié par Malditor, 20 juin 2012 - 06:02 .

[John123453242]

Cheaters are horrible people. They lack morals and respect. They are selfish and entitled.

Down with cheaters! Burn them all!

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Someone keep an eye on John123453242. Word is his characters are outfitted with colors that aren't in the standard color set, such as "Mauve" and "Burnt Sienna".

[Feauce]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Not saying bans shouldn't happen, but some post feel like the cheaters are just horrible people, which they aren't necessarily.

Never meant to say or imply that cheaters are horrible people (though they certainly can be), but I don't want to associate with them, and it does make them horrible gamers.

[T1l]

Are any of you actually reading what Raging Nug is writing? He's not advocating cheating. He's disagreeing with the penalty for cheating due to the nature of Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. I, personally, tend to agree with him - there are alternatives which should probably be looked at.

Outright bans are fine if the person in question has legitimately abused the system. Editing the gamefiles to reward you with credits, for example, should be one of those outright bans.

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Someone keep an eye on John123453242. Word is his characters are outfitted with colors that aren't in the standard color set, such as "Mauve" and "Burnt Sienna".

But this? How is that worthy of any kind of formal action? It doesn't affect anyone elses gameplay in the slightest. Banning someone for that is absolutely absurd. I hope this is sarcasm which hasn't translated well in text. A warning or a temporary 'time-out' at worst, but a ban? You can't be serious.

[John123453242]

T1, then why would you agree with raging? He is defending cheaters. Can either of you point to someone being banned without legitamitely abusing the system? No? Then it seems that your, and his, reactions are the knee jerk reactions.

Cheaters get banned. It is like that in every online game that I play. Stop defending cheaters.

[jpraelster93]

Stop defending bioware being unable to fix their game

[John123453242]

No, it is their game. Stop crying.

[Feauce]

T1l wrote...

Are any of you actually reading what Raging Nug is writing? He's not advocating cheating. He's disagreeing with the penalty for cheating due to the nature of Mass Effect 3 multiplayer. I, personally, tend to agree with him - there are alternatives which should probably be looked at.

Yes, we are. We all believe that he's wrong, because cheaters do not deserve to be defended by the community they pollute.

T1l wrote...

Outright bans are fine if the person in question has legitimately abused the system. Editing the gamefiles to reward you with credits, for example, should be one of those outright bans.

They did legitimately abuse the system. And editing the game files for your own benefit is a bannable offense. What more do you want?

T1l wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

Someone keep an eye on John123453242. Word is his characters are outfitted with colors that aren't in the standard color set, such as "Mauve" and "Burnt Sienna".

But this? How is that worthy of any kind of formal action? (1) It doesn't affect anyone elses gameplay in the slightest. Banning someone for that is absolutely absurd. (2) I hope this is sarcasm (2) which hasn't translated well in text. A warning or a temporary 'time-out' at worst, but a ban? You can't be serious. (2)

To #1, it isn't. That was the point. To the #2s, you're right. Those were also the point.

Modifié par Feauce, 20 juin 2012 - 06:48 .

[covertdrizzt]

I can't believe people are still using that stupid cheat. I don't know about pc but on xbox-live this is a violation of terms. I think they should be banned.

[jpraelster93]

John123453242 wrote...

No, it is their game. Stop crying.

and they should fix it

[Feauce]

jpraelster93 wrote...

and they should fix it

And we agree with that statement. But that isn't an excuse to intentionally exploit what hasn't been fixed yet in a manner that lets you break the rules of the game. Hmm, wait... "Break the rules" sounds quite a lot like "cheating," wouldn't you agree?

[jpraelster93]

Feauce wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

and they should fix it

And we agree with that statement. But that isn't an excuse to intentionally exploit what hasn't been fixed yet in a manner that lets you break the rules of the game. Hmm, wait... "Break the rules" sounds quite a lot like "cheating," wouldn't you agree?

I agree but they shouldnt lie and say the stuffs fixed when it isnt they should make fixing the stuff THE TOP PRIORITY